Why not a practical ex-game reason? Like, it was someone's job at BW to total up all the alternative dialogue options for each class for the whole game, and mage was short by several? So they had to come up with some reasonable places to insert some additional dialogue. Otherwise, this forum would be filled with people complaining about mages not getting as many options as rogue and warrior ...
What rogue/warrior alternative dialogue options are there?
And as I recall, the bit in Witch Hunt that hinted about this indicated how excruciating it was. So I repeat- you don't know that it doesn't cause bodily trauma.We have actually known since DAO.
A lyrium brand against the forehead.
Nothing dramatic, no removal of a bit of skull or brain matter, no power tools used!
Anything beyond calling the ritual what it is, is merely hyperbole.
You don't have all options open to you in any game. In DAO you couldn't leave Ferelden and head for Orlais. It would be game over.2-I would all for seeing the consequences of a normal Inquisitor ordering Tranquility when siding with mages. That is kind of the point of playing an RPG where you're a leader.
So... a noninvasive lobotomy of the soul.
Those who inflict Tranquility are worse than Danarius was when he removed Fenris' memories, or Halward was when he planned on "curing" Dorian's gay.
No. No they really aren't.
No. No they really aren't.
Yeah, they pretty much are. Fenris was still himself, and Dorian would at least have had a functional soul.
What rogue/warrior alternative dialogue options are there?
The ones with these symbols?
I can't cite any examples, I rarely play those classes myself. 
I've always been a bit surprised at the reaction to using Tranquility as a punishment. To me, it is the most vile thing one can to do a person - far worse than just murdering them - because of the way it fundamentally violates their personhood. It's so viscerally offensive when imposed on someone that it's really one of the worst types of punishments one can inflict. In the way torture can mutilate the body forever, tranquility effectively mutilates the soul (especially of a powerful mage, taking away not just everything that makes them who they are, but everything that makes them what they are).
To me, it was always a punishment. A vicious and terrible one, but a punishment nevertheless. So it came as a shock to me that mages would protest my Inquisitor using it as a viscious punishment. To me, that was exposing the truth of tranquility: not some blessing provided to mages who can't protect themselves from demons, but a viscerally abusive and irreparable breach of their autonomy.
I've always been a bit surprised at the reaction to using Tranquility as a punishment. To me, it is the most vile thing one can to do a person - far worse than just murdering them - because of the way it fundamentally violates their personhood. It's so viscerally offensive when imposed on someone that it's really one of the worst types of punishments one can inflict. In the way torture can mutilate the body forever, tranquility effectively mutilates the soul (especially of a powerful mage, taking away not just everything that makes them who they are, but everything that makes them what they are).
To me, it was always a punishment. A vicious and terrible one, but a punishment nevertheless. So it came as a shock to me that mages would protest my Inquisitor using it as a viscious punishment. To me, that was exposing the truth of tranquility: not some blessing provided to mages who can't protect themselves from demons, but a viscerally abusive and irreparable breach of their autonomy.
Isn't... that... exactly why they get so upset over you using it as a punishment?
Yeah, they pretty much are. Fenris was still himself, and Dorian would at least have had a functional soul.
Tranquility doesn't do anything to your soul,and Tranquil are still themselves. One is a torture, and the other is only a torture if you cure it, which fractions the mage's mind. Which coincidentally, the other two definitely do on all uses. So no, it really isn't.
It's just a refection of our own human nature. No matter how human or inhuman something is, there will be a group of people who take great offense, and go to great lengths to detail their displeasure.
Isn't... that... exactly why they get so upset over you using it as a punishment?
Tranquility doesn't do anything to your soul,and Tranquil are still themselves. One is a torture, and the other is only a torture if you cure it, which fractions the mage's mind. Which coincidentally, the other two definitely do on all uses. So no, it really isn't.
But it *is* a punishment. I get being critical of my character if I do it - it's beyond ruthless and veering into sadism - but I don't get how the dialogue around it.
You say "use it as a punishment". I'm saying it can only be a punishment. Maybe I'm failing to express myself?
One of the problems is that Tranquility was also used as a way to disconnect apprentices from the fade that had trouble learning how to control their powers, thus preventing them from ever being able to use magic and possibly cause a disaster.
One of the problems is that Tranquility was also used as a way to disconnect apprentices from the fade that had trouble learning how to control their powers, thus preventing them from ever being able to use magic and possibly cause a disaster.
That's a bit meta. You can't expect a public who's already afraid of the Inquisition (as dialogue indicates) to grasp the philosophical nuances of the negative PR vs. establishing a new punitive benchmark that could be used elsewhere.To me, it was always a punishment. A vicious and terrible one, but a punishment nevertheless. So it came as a shock to me that mages would protest my Inquisitor using it as a viscious punishment. To me, that was exposing the truth of tranquility: not some blessing provided to mages who can't protect themselves from demons, but a viscerally abusive and irreparable breach of their autonomy.
Twice. You can make Alexius Tranquil.
It isn't a ****** lobotomy.
It's a disgusting and inaccurate comparison.
Tranquility doesn't impact the physical body.
No one dies from a botched tranquility.
They also retain autonomous mental and physical activity.
Plus, it's reversible.
Point taken. I won't refer to it as lobotomy.
I'll just have to think of another insulting name for that monstrosity of a ritual.
I think the real reason why the mages get upset if you make those Tevinter mages tranquil is that it is against chantry law to use the Rite of Tranquility as punishment. Period. They were concerned that if a mage inquisitor sees it fine to Tranquilize a mage criminal rather than executing them like non-mages, then that pretty much sets precedence on the future use of the Rite.
Also, I think you can make 3 people trnaquil: Alexius, Erimond and another person if you side with the templars, but that's a sidequest
It isn't a ****** lobotomy.
It's a disgusting and inaccurate comparison.
So, the only disgusting part here is the inaccurate comparison... not the ritual itself?
Tranquility doesn't impact the physical body.
Actually, I'd argue that it does?
Whatever happens with Tranquility probably has something to do with suppressing the amygdala, which regulates emotions? Even if Tranquility is reversed, Pharamond was shown to suffer from extreme emotional irregularity afterwards, either because the amygdala has suffered from some degree of atrophy over the years being Tranquil, or was damaged in some way during the Rite itself?
No one dies from a botched tranquility.
Just curious, do we actually know for certain that no-one's ever died from them?
In Asunder, Rhys mentions that the Circle Mages are used to people they know disappearing unexpectedly and never seeing them again, but the Templars refuse to discuss the matter with them, so they never knew if they'd been executed, made Tranquil or sent to another Circle?
For all we know, some of those mages that were listed as "executed" were really killed when the Rite of Tranquility went horribly wrong? It'd be far easily for the Templars to simply list them in that way to make it look like they're not screwing up, plus no procedure (or magical ritual) is likely ever guaranteed to work all the time without complications?
So... a noninvasive lobotomy of the soul.
Those who inflict Tranquility are worse than Danarius was when he removed Fenris' memories, or Halward was when he planned on "curing" Dorian's gay.
Your argument makes no sense, those are all perfectly reasonable actions. In fact, the only real problem is that you never get the option to actually help the good Magister Halward like you did with Danarius
I think the real reason why the mages get upset if you make those Tevinter mages tranquil is that it is against chantry law to use the Rite of Tranquility as punishment. Period. They were concerned that if a mage inquisitor sees it fine to Tranquilize a mage criminal rather than executing them like non-mages, then pretty much sets precedence on the future use of the Rite.
Also, I think you can make 3 people trnaquil: Alexius, Erimond and another person if you side with the templars, but that's a sidequest
Yeah. I also think some mages are against using tranquility in any circumstance. Ex: Solas will slightly approve if you declare Magister Erasthenes too useful to kill and let him continue to suffer. However, if you help both him and the Inquisition by instead making him tranquil Solas greatly disapproves. Why? It's better to let him suffer out of some principle than make him tranquil?
Yeah. I also think some mages are against using tranquility in any circumstance. Ex: Solas will slightly approve if you declare Magister Erasthenes too useful to kill and let him continue to suffer. However, if you help both him and the Inquisition by instead making him tranquil Solas greatly disapproves. Why? It's better to let him suffer out of some principle than make him tranquil?
It's by no means helping him. It would ultimately be worse than the binding ritual.
Yeah. I also think some mages are against using tranquility in any circumstance. Ex: Solas will slightly approve if you declare Magister Erasthenes too useful to kill and let him continue to suffer. However, if you help both him and the Inquisition by instead making him tranquil Solas greatly disapproves. Why? It's better to let him suffer out of some principle than make him tranquil?
Since the cure to tranquility is now universal known to the Circle doesn't it lose a lot of its bite as a punishment? As a method of voluntarily taking away the magical abilities of mages who can't control their powers I suppose it still has relevance but if were using it as a punishment like in Erimond's and Alexius' cases then it's more of a liability then anything.
If a mage is that dangerous to the common people, and in those both two cases the Inquisition itself, isn't the better option simply to take their heads and be done with it. I liked watching Erimond ****** himself in terror as much as the next guy but honestly giving him such an ironic punishment isn't worth the headache that will occur if he ever gets untranquilized.
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