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[Master Warder Z_]

Knowledge can be forgotten.

Locked away.

Destroyed even.

That "cure" is no exception.

In a decade if a handful of people die, that knowledge is gone.

Even Cassandra said she wouldn't use it unless if it actually led to a true cure, what if it doesn't?

The cure becomes some pre rebellion myth.

[Xilizhra]

Knowledge can be forgotten.

Locked away.

Destroyed even.

That "cure" is no exception.

In a decade if a handful of people die, that knowledge is gone.

Even Cassandra said she wouldn't use it unless if it actually led to a true cure, what if it doesn't?

The cure becomes some pre rebellion myth.

Given that there's no ability to suppress it in-game, it's safe to say that the knowledge won't disappear by the next game... or, by that time, ever.

[Sunnie]

So, the only disgusting part here is the inaccurate comparison... not the ritual itself?

 

 

Actually, I'd argue that it does?

 

Whatever happens with Tranquility probably has something to do with suppressing the amygdala, which regulates emotions? Even if Tranquility is reversed, Pharamond was shown to suffer from extreme emotional irregularity afterwards, either because the amygdala has suffered from some degree of atrophy over the years being Tranquil, or was damaged in some way during the Rite itself?
 

 

Just curious, do we actually know for certain that no-one's ever died from them?

 

In Asunder, Rhys mentions that the Circle Mages are used to people they know disappearing unexpectedly and never seeing them again, but the Templars refuse to discuss the matter with them, so they never knew if they'd been executed, made Tranquil or sent to another Circle?

 

For all we know, some of those mages that were listed as "executed" were really killed when the Rite of Tranquility went horribly wrong? It'd be far easily for the Templars to simply list them in that way to make it look like they're not screwing up, plus no procedure (or magical ritual) is likely ever guaranteed to work all the time without complications?

Except no where that I know of in the lore/history/games/books has any mention been made of RoT going wrong and killing a mage. Until such a point where that is noted somewhere, its a really far stretch to think it possible. At this point I would call that another crackpot theory.

[The Baconer]

So except in exceptional circumstances I'd argue it's a greater kindness. Not to mention in usage of tranquility you allow the mage the retention of free will.

 

To an extent, anyway. The Tranquil are rather susceptible to suggestion.

[Master Warder Z_]

Given that there's no ability to suppress it in-game, it's safe to say that the knowledge won't disappear by the next game... or, by that time, ever.

Two people in the entity of Thedas actually know the requirements.

Well two that can survive I'll ammend.

One can even perish fighting red templars.

That leaves Cassandra.

The one unsure if it will even bear fruit.

So no Xill.

You are quite incorrect.

Knowledge on analog formats like memory is quite fallible.

Cassandra can even be convinced to not resume the order of the Seekers, if she is not Divine then by what merit would she conduct the research?

Via the Inquisition.

Which puts the actual authority of the decision in the hands of another.

Mmm it's a pleasant thought.

[myahele]

The Qun actually does the same thing to people who won't convert, but that technology isn't known to most thedosians. Just imagine if that knowledge was given to people. There'll still be the same debate. Aferall, it's so much easier to lobotomize people since atleast they'll be productive citizens, rather than killing them.

 

As for the cure for Tranquility, it seems like the Rite does some irreparable damage to the mage the longer they were tranquil. Since there's a cure then perhaps the Rite can then truly be used as punishment? Something like "I sentence you to tranquility for ___years"

[Master Warder Z_]

To an extent, anyway. The Tranquil are rather susceptible to suggestion.

It's better than what they would have as a abomination or corpse.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Knowledge can be forgotten.

Locked away.

Destroyed even.

That "cure" is no exception.

In a decade if a handful of people die, that knowledge is gone.

Even Cassandra said she wouldn't use it unless if it actually led to a true cure, what if it doesn't?

The cure becomes some pre rebellion myth.

 

Doubtful. It was spread to every Circle in Thedas and while Cassandra hasn't seen the cure in action we've seen instances were it has worked in DA 2 and Asunder. Once Cassandra does see that it does work she's almost definitely going to share that information with others. 

[Br3admax]

To an extent, anyway. The Tranquil are rather susceptible to suggestion.

Only in the same way a superior is to everyone else. The problem comes from them thinking way too logically and without any type of emotion, which is needed for true rational thought. If some people did their jobs, that wouldn't really be an issue, but I'm sure you know that already being so anti-some people. 

[Xilizhra]

Two people in the entity of Thedas actually know the requirements.

Well two that can survive I'll ammend.

One can even perish fighting red templars.

That leaves Cassandra.

The one unsure if it will even bear fruit.

So no Xill.

You are quite incorrect.

Knowledge on analog formats like memory is quite fallible.

Cassandra can even be convinced to not resume the order of the Seekers, if she is not Divine then by what merit would she conduct the research?

Via the Inquisition.

Which puts the actual authority of the decision in the hands of another.

Mmm it's a pleasant thought.

Except that every Circle in Thedas knew about it, and even if you try to kill them all at Redcliffe, not all of them do die.

[The Baconer]

If some people did their jobs, that wouldn't really be an issue, but I'm sure you know that already being so anti-some people. 

 

You're goddamn right.

[Sifr]

Except no where that I know of in the lore/history/games/books has any mention been made of RoT going wrong and killing a mage. Until such a point where that is noted somewhere, its a really far stretch to think it possible. At this point I would call that another crackpot theory.

 

True, there's nothing in any of the lore, history, games or books to suggest that it's anything beyond a hypothetical suggestion at this point?

 

But at the same time, if it did happen from time to time, do you really think that the Templars in these games aren't the kind of people to cover up such mishaps? I mean, upon realising that they'd forgotten about the real Cole and left him to starve to death in the cells, rather than admit their mistake, the Templars decided to erase all evidence of his existence to cover up their blunder?

[Master Warder Z_]

Except that every Circle in Thedas knew about it, and even if you try to kill them all at Redcliffe, not all of them do die.

They knew of a attempt.

Nothing more, the research never got discussed at the last conclave.

Truly in hindsight?

I'd thank Fiona.

Her bumbling never let it even get to that point.

Good on her.

[Gothfather]

Honestly, why would a Dalish or Qunari mage even know about the rite? I mean unless they learned it from Vivienne, it only makes sense to get that as a human mage (with it being mage-locked).

err Because it is assumed you actually talked to people in the game maybe?

 

I don't care how isolated your character is PRE-Game you can't tell me that the Inquisitor doesn't know about the tranquil by the time you sit in Judgement. You meet tranquil in Haven, you hear conversations with Tranquil and the residence of haven, you can talk to people who have direct contact with the tranquil.

 

How could any inquisitor play inquisition and NOT know about the Tranquil and that the rite exists?

[Master Warder Z_]

Doubtful. It was spread to every Circle in Thedas and while Cassandra hasn't seen the cure in action we've seen instances were it has worked in DA 2 and Asunder. Once Cassandra does see that it does work she's almost definitely going to share that information with others.

You need to rewatch that conversation.

She spoke of the very real emotional instability and the dangers that brings in the very conversation.

If it presents a greater danger?

That revelation dies with her.

It goes back to being another secret in a book of them.

[Lady Artifice]

"Braining"
"Sundering"
"Wiping"
"Lobotomy"
Those good Artie? I prefer #1 and #4

"Braining" has a certain simplicity.

Still, not harsh enough.

[Sifr]

"Braining" has a certain simplicity.

Still, not harsh enough.

 

"Shattering?"

 

The Tranquil are akin to a broken plate or cup. Even if you put them back together again, they'll never truly be the same as before? They'll still have the cracks, as well as feel like they're probably missing a few pieces here and there?

 

Spoiler

 

Pictured: Warder's Solution to the "Mage Problem".

[Xilizhra]

You need to rewatch that conversation.

She spoke of the very real emotional instability and the dangers that brings in the very conversation.

If it presents a greater danger?

That revelation dies with her.

It goes back to being another secret in a book of them.

So you're counting on Bioware undoing a plot point they spent a lot of time building up to, for no reason at all?

[raging_monkey]

"Braining" has a certain simplicity.

Still, not harsh enough.

mmm brained maybe? Hmmm

[raging_monkey]

"Shattering?"

The Tranquil are akin to a broken plate or cup. Even if you put them back together again, they'll never truly be the same as before? They'll still have the cracks, as well as feel like they're probably missing a few pieces here and there?

Spoiler

Pictured: Warder's Solution to the "Mage Problem".

his solutions like that are a on a "good" day

[Master Warder Z_]

So you're counting on Bioware undoing a plot point they spent a lot of time building up to, for no reason at all?

They did it before.

With the mage rebellion ironically enough most recently.

[Xilizhra]

They did it before.

With the mage rebellion ironically enough most recently.

Hardly. Either the mages are free, have their position significantly bettered, or have their position significantly bettered and take over the Chantry.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hardly. Either the mages are free, have their position significantly bettered, or have their position significantly bettered and take over the Chantry.

No?

That's the Divine

That conclusion is independent of the rebellion which was a act 1 story act and nothing else.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I take it the some people are mad that tranquility cure isn't going to disappear. Also, are you forgetting loyalist mages also know he cure seeing as how every circle learned about it?

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually I'm content.

Confident even.

There's enough in game evidence to suggest that the cure has a fair chance of never seeing the light of day.