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#201
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True, he never says that in so many words, although one would presume that the reason he never became part of the Seekers, nor underwent the Rite was because it wouldn't work on him (or rather, would work too well), making it pointless?

 

Perhaps it was determined that it wasn't worth the risk. Apparently the success rate is very low, and that's for mundanes who outnumber mages exponentially.


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Perhaps it was determined that it wasn't worth the risk. Apparently the success rate is very low, and that's for mundanes who outnumber mages exponentially.


Hmm, I wonder what the Seekers do with all the failures? I imagine having a number of Tranquil wandering around must raise some eyebrows. Or maybe they do all the admin or something for the Seekers.

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Despite it's relatively small size.

No doubt they need armorers, enchanters, craftsmen.

It's a militant order.

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Despite it's relatively small size.

No doubt they need armorers, enchanters, craftsmen.

It's a militant order.


Yeah I thought that too. But then I realized, wouldn't other Seekers who did succeed realize? Kinda of a "hey I know that tranquil!" moment.

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Yeah I thought that too. But then I realized, wouldn't other Seekers who did succeed realize? Kinda of a "hey I know that tranquil!" moment.


It's a wide spread order with few fixed locations.

Talent likely goes were it goes.

Plus training begins young.

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True, he never says that in so many words, although one would presume that the reason he never became part of the Seekers, nor underwent the Rite was because it wouldn't work on him (or rather, would work too well), making it pointless?

 

My impression was he was simply going to retire once they became the Seekers, but was convinced to go on "one last mission"

Do you know the exact dialogue for that? I don't have the DLC but from the videos I've watched I don't remember Ameridan mentioning that.

 

We know that the idea behind Tranquility being used on mages was inspired by a mage trying to join the Seekers, and failing to attract a spirit (thus remaining sundered from the Fade). I haven't seen anything conclusive that suggests mages cured of Tranquility are permanently deprived of their magic, especially when Seekers themselves gain magical abilities after their vigil. Cassandra and Lambert also state that the cure is dangerous because recipients become emotionally unstable and are thus more vulnerable to possession, which shouldn't be a danger if they are cut off from magic and the Fade. Of course, this could have just been a lie (or ignorance on Cassandra's part) to cover up the truth.

Emotional instability is definitely a risk.  But there shouldn't be a risk of possession, as Seekers are immune to that.

 

What would be a risk for a mage would be turning into  an emotionally unstable person with the power to tell physics to sit down and shut up  ;)


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It's a wide spread order with few fixed locations.

Talent likely goes were it goes.

Plus training begins young.


True, presumably they were just shifted around. It just seems risky though to keep the Tranquil around if there's a chance of them being recognized, it makes me wonder how Cassandra didn't know, considering she trained Seekers herself.

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Are Seekers really immune to possession? How are they immune when they are cured of tranquility? We only know this from Cassandra but she didn't know about the Vigil, could she be also wrong about about that?



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Are Seekers really immune to possession? How are they immune when they are cured of tranquility? We only know this from Cassandra but she didn't know about the Vigil, could she be also wrong about about that?


Considering that Corypheus couldn't control them through red lyrium I'm inclined to believe the claims about their immunity to possession.
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#210
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No one dies from a botched tranquility.

Eh... Considering it includes Lyrium, then I think we can be fairly certain, that a "botched tranquility" does indeed result in a fatality.



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Because Mages are the master class in Thedas and therefore we get moar options. 

 

Deal. With. It. 

 

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I'm not sure where the idea that mages would somehow always take the high road regarding Tranquility comes from.  Putting aside that there are already Circle Mages who agree with the Rite, it would be used by some mages for the same reason it is used by some Templars: Control.  Not to mention it is a great way to remove a rival without killing them.

 

Which is, if I'm not misremembering, how it is used in Tevinter often enough to be mentioned in a codex.



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Because Mages are the master class in Thedas and therefore we get moar options.

Deal. With. It.

:devil:


Did you just use the line of A super templar in defense of some inane mage superiority line?

Someone who can set the blood of any mage, on fire.

Literally set it on fire.

Okay.

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Did you just use the line of A super templar in defense of some inane mage superiority line?

Someone who can set the blood of any mage, on fire.

Literally set it on fire.

Okay.

Well, not literally, given that she can't kill anyone with it. She's also not a templar, since she's not an addict.



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Bleh I can't believe I wrote out a thoughtful, considerate reply.

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do it more often

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No one dies from a botched tranquility.


Lol, yes they do. Tranquil people are just walking husks there is no person there anymore.

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Lol, yes they do. Tranquil people are just walking husks there is no person there anymore.


Those aren't botched :P

That's the ritual working as intended.

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Those aren't botched :P

That's the ritual working as intended.


Yes - intended to kill people.

#220
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Yes - intended to kill people.


Eh.

Argue semantics if you want pro mage.

#221
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Eh.

Argue semantics if you want pro mage.


I like semantics. :)

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Lol, yes they do. Tranquil people are just walking husks there is no person there anymore.

Arguable. Some would say that as long as there is a pulse and brain activity, then there is life. It may not be the same person, but they are definitely alive. In a morbid kind of way.



#223
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Eh... Considering it includes Lyrium, then I think we can be fairly certain, that a "botched tranquility" does indeed result in a fatality.

Or insanity.

 

Followed quickly by fatality.  Likely with a sword.



#224
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Lol, yes they do. Tranquil people are just walking husks there is no person there anymore.

They're not husks.  They don't have three eyes and blue circuitry  :P

 

But seriously, the original person is still inside, just bereft of emotions.  They even have free will.  It's just that without the passions brought on by emotion, they rarely if ever take initiative.



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Arguable. Some would say that as long as there is a pulse and brain activity, then there is life. It may not be the same person, but they are definitely alive. In a morbid kind of way.


Yay, more semantics.

No but they are definitely alive, I just don't consider them to be people.
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