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[Rhaine]

Just looking for opinions here, they are both great abilities and I do feel like its best to only take one them.

 

Ive mostly played with swashbuckle so far but, while it is an amazingly damaging ability, its uses are very rare. I only find myself using it on bosses (its targetting is anoying on dragons btw, doesn't often get all 4 hits), revenants, arcanists and the occasional pride demon and such. I guess it is super import though just because when you do get to bosses its import to take them down as fast as possible.

 

Now my experience with broadsides is much less but it is without a doubt much better for trash and generally a safe high damage ability to use, its also very useful if you need to quickly mark a few targets to then generate elusive. If i was taking broadsides id very likely take ambush as well since thats a good single target damage dealer at about 1200% but only on targets not attacking you, which may make it not so effective on bosses. (could possibly replace flank which seems almost standard for most builds as it does generate 1 stack of elusive atleast)

 

At a estimated guess which one to take is prob depending on group, I feel most classes and players very likely take less high damage single target skills and focus instead on trash clearing and defensive stuff, this would lead me to value swashbuckle more just because someone has to step up and deal with bosses. (im just back playing this game again after like a 3-4 month break so correct me if im wrong here).

 

So, whats everyone elses opinion on these two skills? And what builds do you prefer?

 

Heres two different builds which I think best suits both these skills (thanks to both the uploaders)

 

(broadsides + ambush + flashing steel + bolt

(swashbuckle + flank + flashing steel + bolt) ive tested this one personally and its really efficient and fun to use.

[Theghostof_timmy]

You're pretty much right about swashbuckle, it's basically only for bosses, and even then only when you're not in danger of dying immediately. I recommend replacing swashbuckle with keelhaul. Keelhaul two or three enemies, then run in the middle and use Flashing Steel. Boom, 2-3 (sometimes even 4) stacks of elusive, and heavy damage to all of them.

[Drasca]

Apples and Oranges. Single target vs Detonating AoE Devastation. Personally I don't like dropping elusives, and need FA in order to make the maximum use out of Swashbuckle. Ambush has some interesting qualities too, that lets you jump forward as much as Fade step does. Broadsides also allows passives that enable Vendetta to spread like a plague, and add 10% damage to everything.

 

Mind you, I'm also a fan of Parry, but I'm nuts like that.

[kmeeg]

 What the man said:

Apples and Oranges. Single target vs Detonating AoE Devastation. 

 

Personally, I prefer this build:

1. Flashing steel

2. Bolt

3. Broadsides

4. Ambush

 

I don't worry about getting the 4 stacks of elusive (get unyielding), since I loss elusive under the influence of barrier. The most dangerous enemy in the game ... by far ... is a group of archers. Broadsides will fix that problem for you.

 

Boost your critical chance (gear/promotions) so you regain a lot of stamina with 'Looked like it hurt' and take advantage of 'Crow's nest lookout' which turns your criticals into a lot of damage. Upgrade all the sweet passives in the "no quarter" tree. Spam bolt a lot, so when you melee (+savvy), the dagger abilities will be quite deadly.

[apocalypse_owl]

What drasca said. They are two different skills though i prefer swashbuckle. You can somewhat mitigate the elusive drop by marking an enemy with vendetta before using swashbuckle, then immediately use flank attack after the animation to regain 2 stacks.

[ctaejinc]

 

I use them both, as well as bolt and flanking attack. Swashbuckle for bosses/mini bosses and broadsides for ranged groups of enemies. With Unyielding i don't have to worry as much about losing elusive. Sure it takes till about level 18 until i'm really effective though lol 

[F_e_princess]

My first 2 promotes i did ambush\broadside and it was an enjoyable playstyle.

 

 Switched to swash/flank and once i got used to aiming swasbuckle i was surprised at the dps.  Generally i just flank strike in then flash steel and pop swash, bolts in between.  The aatack speed bonus is nice and your swash kill will spread its vendetta, so +20% damage with +15% atk speed.  I wear a superb hok ring though which helps.

 

Id say try em both but dont give up on swasbuckle until you get the aiming/timing down

[LearnedHand]

Two different styles imo, more ranged vs. a more melee style. Ambush/broadsides is more ranged so less quick elusive generation but you also lose elusive less frequently, Swashbuckle/flank attack with more rapid gain/loss of elusive in close combat.

[BreakJohn]

Broadsides all the way! my brother spent a great deal of time building the duelist over and over while i was tinkering with the avvar during the first few days. the build he settled on ended up being broadsides, ambush, flashing steel and of course bolt. there is a good reason a lot of people here have come up with the same, its one of her best if not best build. its even stupider when you have two duelist with this same build, since they could just keep alternating ambush for massive damage(i've done this) its pretty hilarious actually, watching the bosses spin like a top. 

[FRZN]

If i was taking broadsides id very likely take ambush as well since thats a good single target damage dealer at about 1200% but only on targets not attacking you, which may make it not so effective on bosses. (could possibly replace flank which seems almost standard for most builds as it does generate 1 stack of elusive atleast)

Don't discount the taunt, it's a tool as well.  Elusive stacks trivialize bosses so you're one of the best characters for tanking them, and ambush lets you do that.  Additionally the upgrade lets you can maintain bolt spam on them without running dry on stamina, which gives you hot streak and saavy for your next ambush/flashing steel.

 

I prefer the first build because I feel that it offers more flexibility in what role you can take on a team, while the second build is more focused on single target/stacked enemy dps.  As others have said, they're both good builds with different purposes.

[Wavebend]

I hate broadsides. I hate swashbuckle for the same reason as Drasca.

 

I usually use blinding shot + upgrade instead.

[Cryos_Feron]

I would love to have Broadsides,
but I need evade...
I know that I could just stand in the middle of enemies and wait for new elusive coins...
but I hate this playstyle - not being able to get away or Dodge or parry.

such a shame that you cannot have 5 abilities.


sorry, if I was to decide between those 2 entitled abilities, Broadsides would clearly be my choice.

it is so great. buffs the whole group's damage and does good AOE damage, plus vendetta

[BiggyDX]

Speaking of which, if you take the Savvy passive, does using any crossbow ability count towards the bonus to Dagger damage?

[jerky]

I've found that I almost never have all four elusive tokens - isabela gets so into the thick of the fight that they get used by me getting attacked very rapidly.

So my normal chain for anything relatively tough is bolt, flanking attack for two tokens, then swashbuckle for 1400% damage on whatever is unlucky enough to be standing next to me.

However, my buddy runs the broadside build and it's quite effective as well. I really like that Isabella has two distinctly different play styles that are both very viable.

[Cryos_Feron]

Speaking of which, if you take the Savvy passive, does using any crossbow ability count towards the bonus to Dagger damage?

I was asking about this passive also,
in another thread.
how it works exactly. 100% + damage is amazing.

[yarpenthemad21]

Speaking of which, if you take the Savvy passive, does using any crossbow ability count towards the bonus to Dagger damage?

I have huge problems testing this passive. Really some dev should tell us how it should work.
I've tested flashing steel, bolt and broadside. Crit breaks tests but I really can't see any difference. Spammming bolt + flashing steel and damage looks the same as just using FS
I've tested spamming bolt, some broadside + bolt, the same results pretty much. Maybe sometimes broadside alone looked like this 20% is there but it's not for 100%.

I'm not sure, it's hard to test when you crit often.

[Drasca]

However, my buddy runs the broadside build and it's quite effective as well. I really like that Isabella has two distinctly different play styles that are both very viable.

 

More than two

[Drasca]

I was asking about this passive also,
in another thread.
how it works exactly. 100% + damage is amazing.

 

Spam bolt x5, flashing steel, watch the amazing spin to win damage.

[Rhaine]

 What the man said:

 

Personally, I prefer this build:

1. Flashing steel

2. Bolt

3. Broadsides

4. Ambush

 

I don't worry about getting the 4 stacks of elusive (get unyielding), since I loss elusive under the influence of barrier. The most dangerous enemy in the game ... by far ... is a group of archers. Broadsides will fix that problem for you.

 

Boost your critical chance (gear/promotions) so you regain a lot of stamina with 'Looked like it hurt' and take advantage of 'Crow's nest lookout' which turns your criticals into a lot of damage. Upgrade all the sweet passives in the "no quarter" tree. Spam bolt a lot, so when you melee (+savvy), the dagger abilities will be quite deadly.

This is actually a really tough call for me, buccaner and unyielding vs 4th elusive. Its very hard to decide because both choices are pretty great. Id prob pick unyielding if I had a decent HoK ring but ive only the 2.5% one

[Redalertixii]

Earlier today I posted in a separate thread about using bolt, flashing steel, broadside, and ambush. It's a beautiful way to go. It's just a reinforcing cycle of inflicting vandetta and acquiring elusive while dealing high damage. I didn't test it out on perilous, but against even large groups and no the dragons it worked amazingly. I tried out swashbuckling and it was cool doing the damage, it was throwing me off too much to give up my elusives. Unlike kmeeg above, I actually grabbed the 4th elusive slot and also took unyielding. I could go into large groups on threatening and come out unscathed with 4 elusives. Even against archers, having the +10% movement bonus per elusive coin allowed me to cover ground so fast and destroy them after getting off only one shot. It was so fun. I'll try keelhaul next but I certainly recommend the 4 I used.

[Robbiesan]

in another thread I posted I was using Swashbuckle, but that was my mistake.  I am using Broadside and I like it a bunch.  I prefer to take down mooks ASAP.  Boss units can be kited and whittled down.  All depends on desired playstyle.

[Beerfish]

in another thread I posted I was using Swashbuckle, but that was my mistake.  I am using Broadside and I like it a bunch.  I prefer to take down mooks ASAP.  Boss units can be kited and whittled down.  All depends on desired playstyle.

Agreed, I had both on my 1st build will go and get broadsides asap this time.  It's also simply more fun to use if you ask me.  i know she uses her xbow but it really is akin to pulling out a blunderbuss and firing.

[Hellsteeth30]

Can't stand swashbuckle.

Relays on things standing still. Off host it's a nightmare.

[SpaceV3gan]

My Duelist is a pure Gunslinger, so my answer on this question is pretty obvious. I've promoted her like 8 times or so as a pure Gunslinger and, maybe I am too conservative, but I can't imagine playing this class any other way.

[Robbiesan]

I would love to have Broadsides,
but I need evade...
I know that I could just stand in the middle of enemies and wait for new elusive coins...
but I hate this playstyle - not being able to get away or Dodge or parry.

such a shame that you cannot have 5 abilities.


sorry, if I was to decide between those 2 entitled abilities, Broadsides would clearly be my choice.

it is so great. buffs the whole group's damage and does good AOE damage, plus vendetta

 

 

 

 

I use this build, and it works well for my style.  Give it a whirl and see how it works for you.

 

(all upgraded)

Bolt

Flashing Steel

Broadsides

Evade