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MadMadCarl

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Ok, i have a question; why Corypheus still wanting to travel in time one year after his victory, he already was a god and the fade frontier was broken, did he realized that he screwed it or what?

 

A second question: The seekers are said to be inmune to red lyrium, and Solas is a forgotten one, a being of blight, then why the hell both were infected with red lyrium?



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Ok, i have a question; why Corypheus still wanting to travel in time one year after his victory, he already was a god and the fade frontier was broken, did he realized that he screwed it or what?

 

A second question: The seekers are said to be inmune to red lyrium, and Solas is a forgotten one, a being of blight, then why the hell both were infected with red lyrium?

 

Corypheus wanted the Anchor and was trying to use time travel to completely remove the Inquisitor from time to prevent their interference in the ritual at the conclave.  Alexius' diary (which is actually a fairly easy to miss codex) confirms this.

 

Both the Forgotten Ones and the Elven Parthenon (I list both of them because Dalish legend states that Fen'Harel wasn't part of either group but was friends with both) seem to be susceptible to red lyrium corruption.  Anduriel, for instance, is thought to have been corrupted during her hunts in the void, and elven paintings show elves with red skulls inside a halla.

 

EDIT: We don't really know enough about the Forgotten Ones (unless WOT2 has more information) to say if they're beings of the blight or not (although Serault apparently has Forgotten One worshipping Dalish with bright red vallaslin), and I would also put Solas more in the Elven Parthenon camp than the Forgotten One camp.


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MadMadCarl

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Ok, if Solas is not forgotten one then he must be vulnerable, but what about Cassandra? she said she was inmune and yet she was infected in the dark future



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Ok, if Solas is not forgotten one then he must be vulnerable, but what about Cassandra? she said she was inmune and yet she was infected in the dark future

She is immune to the mind control proximity to Red Lyrium can cause. She isn't immune to have it chalked down her throat.


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Ok, if Solas is not forgotten one then he must be vulnerable, but what about Cassandra? she said she was inmune and yet she was infected in the dark future

 

Have you done her personal quest? Promises of Destruction is all about the attempts of Order of the Fiery Promise to corrupt the Seekers with Red Lyrium.  They can't be controlled, but it does make them ill.



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Have you done her personal quest? Promises of Destruction is all about the attempts of Order of the Fiery Promise to corrupt the Seekers with Red Lyrium.  They can't be controlled, but it does make them ill.

Yes, thats whi Ive asked.



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Yes, thats whi Ive asked.

 

It's been a while since I did her quest so I may be wrong but I think that Seekers can't be controlled through Lyrium but they can be infected by it (as was seen with bad future!Cass and her friend Daniel in her quest)



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Yeah pretty much anything organic can be infected with red lyrium.  But it can't frak with a seeker's mind.  Just painfully grow crystals in their body.


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What everyone else said.

In the Dark Future, Corypheus is an emperor of a wasteland. The Breach expands and starts to consume the world, but without the Anchor, he still can't enter the Fade physically and take the Black City. (For some reason, the Well of Mythal plot didn't work out here either.) It's a hollow victory, and he's desperate for time travel so he can undo the whole mess and actually fulfill his plan.

All this, because he neglected to lock the door when doing the ritual. :rolleyes:  


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What everyone else said.

In the Dark Future, Corypheus is an emperor of a wasteland. The Breach expands and starts to consume the world, but without the Anchor, he still can't enter the Fade physically and take the Black City. (For some reason, the Well of Mythal plot didn't work out here either.) It's a hollow victory, and he's desperate for time travel so he can undo the whole mess and actually fulfill his plan.

All this, because he neglected to lock the door when doing the ritual. :rolleyes:  

 

And with an ego as large as he has, you can bet that even in a timeline where he's currently "winning", Corypheus would still have it knawing at him every single second that in what was meant to be his moment of triumph, he ended up being thwarted by someone just blundering in and ruining everything?

 

(My theory on the Temple of Mythal is that in this timeline, Abelas destroyed the Well, rendering the Eluvian useless to him)


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ehhh....I know it is a fantasy world with Elves and magic etc but the time travel stuff just came off as rather jarring to me


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ehhh....I know it is a fantasy world with Elves and magic etc but the time travel stuff just came off as rather jarring to me

It's not unexplained. Time travel is their but it's limited.



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And with an ego as large as he has, you can bet that even in a timeline where he's currently "winning", Corypheus would still have it knawing at him every single second that in what was meant to be his moment of triumph, he ended up being thwarted by someone just blundering in and ruining everything?

(My theory on the Temple of Mythal is that in this timeline, Abelas destroyed the Well, rendering the Eluvian useless to him)

I'd forgotten that Abelas tries to do that, headcanoned now (it seems so obvious now that I think about it).

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Ok, i have a question; why Corypheus still wanting to travel in time one year after his victory, he already was a god and the fade frontier was broken, did he realized that he screwed it or what?

A second question: The seekers are said to be inmune to red lyrium, and Solas is a forgotten one, a being of blight, then why the hell both were infected with red lyrium?


Corypheus didn't get what he wanted. That's not said outright, but you can easily tell on a replay. One, he's not an omnipotent god - he has no power to do anything the entire quest. When he does appear (and you hear him appear) he arrived on his red lyrium dragon (you can hear the thump and roar). More importantly - and the codex entries show this one - the world was overrun with demons. Not bound ones like he plotted to overrun Orlais with in Abyss. Out of control demons that have devastated the land.

Corypheus utterly fails in the bad future. He isn't a "God" and the breach overran the world. He wants to go back to get the anchor - he needs it to close the breach.

I don't know where you're getting the point about Solas.
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Actually, if you listen to what Cassandra says when she reads Calpernia's note, she says the Seekers are resistant to the red lyrium, not immune. So for Cory it's easier just to kill them since they'll never be effective soldiers for him.

 

But the bad future has many plot holes. That's not one of them though.



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ehhh....I know it is a fantasy world with Elves and magic etc but the time travel stuff just came off as rather jarring to me

 

When I first did that quest it took awhile for me to sink it in that the whole time travel stuff was involved at all. Especially when you first enter Redcliffe, heck even with Dorian spouting it right at your face, i just did not register it. I did not expect it all in the Dragon Age universe. Just a big "what?" Would've been less surprising in a Mass Effect universe though.



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ehhh....I know it is a fantasy world with Elves and magic etc but the time travel stuff just came off as rather jarring to me

Time travel is a very difficult story to do well.



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Time travel scenarios are like deus ex machinas, and McGuffins. If you agree with Einstein's theory of time, it would not be possible at all because time is actually space/time, one thing. But there is the alternate hypothesis of quantum uncertainty, that makes every decision, no matter how tiny, one of two legs down the trousers of time (as Terry Pratchett called it). If that theory is true, then even traveling to the past and back again might be possible. Quien Sabe?



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Hmmm....your ideas are intriguing to me Carmen Willow and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter :lol:

 

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I wonder if Coryhpeus is still able to get to the Well of Sorrows?



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I'd forgotten that Abelas tries to do that, headcanoned now (it seems so obvious now that I think about it).

 

Without the Inquisition and company to stand around chatting with, he probably did it a lot faster in this timeline as well?

 

Probably in this reality, without the Inquisition being present to slow down Corypheus' army (which would be at full strength with demons galore) the Sentinels realised far sooner that they were not going to be able to survive the onslaught and destroyed the Well and Eluvian immediately to prevent it falling into his hands, sacrificing their lives to thwart him?


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Without the Inquisition and company to stand around chatting with, he probably did it a lot faster in this timeline as well?

Probably in this reality, without the Inquisition being present to slow down Corypheus' army (which would be at full strength with demons galore) the Sentinels realised far sooner that they were not going to be able to survive the onslaught and destroyed the Well and Eluvian immediately to prevent it falling into his hands, sacrificing their lives to thwart him?


Sounds about right.

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Time travel scenarios are like deus ex machinas, and McGuffins. If you agree with Einstein's theory of time, it would not be possible at all because time is actually space/time, one thing. But there is the alternate hypothesis of quantum uncertainty, that makes every decision, no matter how tiny, one of two legs down the trousers of time (as Terry Pratchett called it). If that theory is true, then even traveling to the past and back again might be possible. Quien Sabe?


I'm no physicist so I'm curious, how does quantum uncertainty fit with determinism?

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I'm no physicist so I'm curious, how does quantum uncertainty fit with determinism?

 

Everything that can, will and might happen, happens.

 

But it doesn't always happen the same way twice.

 

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