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[o Ventus]

Why the hate for Mel Gibson, lol? Great actor and director.

You mean besides him being a raging anti-semite and racist? The man is practically a neo-N**i.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

You mean besides him being a raging anti-semite and racist? The man is practically a neo-N**i.

 

Silence. He understands things you cannot possibly imagine.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here is a rather fascinating article. 

 

http://www.theguardi...t-us-box-office

 

The ululating ladies of Pitch Perfect 2 outpaced the desert warriors of Mad Max: Fury Road with a spectacular $70.3m bow to take the top spot at the US box office over the weekend.

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Mad Max: Fury Road, George Miller’s return to the post-apocalyptic Aussie badlands, 30 years after 1985’s Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, managed a respectable $44.4m in second place.

 

 

LOL. 

 

Even funnier.... Mad Max cost $150 million to make.

Pitch Perfect.....$29 million.

 

It is also fascinating how this movie, with all its supposedly awesome Rotten Tomatoes rating, did not do so well in the cinemas, That is a huge gap. 

 

This was bound to happen. Ideologies cannot stem the tide of market forces and general social preference. Communism tried and it resulted in millions dead and collapse o a few societies. What chance does feminism has, eh ?  

I stated it before and I will say it again. Mad Max: Fury Road is a slightly improved version of Transformers. There is little to no plot, no story, very little character development and very little "d'aww" moments. It was just pure action and that's it. Oh, and it has feminism crap shoehorned into it. 

Here's the thing with pure high octane action. You have to not only have action but have something else like "d'aww" moments to make it work. That is what made some of the Fast & Furious movies so good to the general public. Otherwise, if you want to make pure action movies, you have to make it very male-centric, very unapologetically male since men are the majority audience for this type of thing. A good example of this is Expendables. It was just pure action as well as pure testosterone and made little to no apologies for it. 

Mad Max: Fury Road did neither one of these things. The combination of pure action, sidelining the main character and putting the female sidekick is a recipe designed to attract feminists. Here's the problem with that. There are not many feminists around in the real world. That is the reality. Most people either do not or no longer identify themselves as feminists these days. There is even a growing number of celebrities of both sexes who are not feminists. It is in many ways, like religion, in that it is a dying social ideology. It is dying a slow death but a sure one. You only see a lot feminists in the internet because, they, like their counterparts, the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) are very loud but at the end of the day a small number of people. 

So while the action scenes in Mad Max: Fury Road was rather good, it was the only thing that was good about it. Perhaps if it had some proper character development, like in Alien where Ellen Ripley, who was the actual protagonist, did have lots of character development that fleshed her out, the movie would have done really well like Alien did. But it didn't. The reality of the matter is that pure high octane over the top action kind of movies is primarily watched by men and men prefer it to be unapologetically male in the same way bad romantic BDSM fiction like 50 Shades of Grey or bad vampire romance fantasy like Twilight are primarily watched by women. 

You can't just randomly mix pure action with underdeveloped female characters in a movie which is supposed to have a male protagonist in it and expect it to do really well anymore than mixing some real world common sense into 50 Shades of Grey or Twilight and expecting it to do well in the cinemas.

[Sully13]

You mean besides him being a raging anti-semite and racist? The man is practically a neo-N**i.

Man he is dedicated to playing that Scotish role isnt he? you missed out drunk btw. 

[Sully13]

 

http://wehuntedthema...t-when-it-does/

 

btw

 

She so so bad-ass she will stump you to death.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Gona point out the thread was nothing to do with Therons character at all. it was more about the artical saying that they injrcted Feminists messages into the storry. but i never saw it in the movie the wives are survivours.
Furyosa is a Badass like Ripply who a load of Feminists Hate (Dude with boobs dont yah know.)

Ripley the wasn't masculine in any way that I can recall. Vasquez was more a dood with boobs than her. Both women however were strong female characters in my eyes. How feminists of all people can put them down is beyond me.

Maybe you're just full of it Su.

[Sully13]

Maybe i never claim to be an authority on anything. but ive herd her being both denounced as a "man with boobs." and Hailed as as "Strong female Protaganist."

The Nay argument was that they never hit you over the head with her gender. the Yay argument was they never hit you over the head with her gender. then the Ney sayrt just said you see her underpants and quit. 

it realy depends on whitch side of the fence you fall. the same argument was had with FemShep and Samus. 

[Volourn]

"Even funnier.... Mad Max cost $150 million to make.

Pitch Perfect.....$29 million.

 

It is also fascinating how this movie, with all its supposedly awesome Rotten Tomatoes rating, did not do so well in the cinemas, That is a huge gap."\

 

They're pretty even world wide though. So, outside the US/NA,  MM is more popular.

[Sully13]

I think its more timeing avengers was just out and couples have probably done the "Isaw yout movie now you have to see mine."

[Ridwan]

You mean besides him being a raging anti-semite and racist? The man is practically a neo-N**i.

So?

[wolfsite]

http://www.escapistm...-Title-Revealed

 

Welcome to the Wasteland Vault Dweller.

[o Ventus]

So?

You wonder why people dislike Mel Gibson and I told you why. It's not my fault that you don't seem to get why anti-semitism, racism, and flagrant misogyny aren't cool.

[Sully13]

well i hear Mell has ths Rose Garden.

[o Ventus]

 

It is also fascinating how this movie, with all its supposedly awesome Rotten Tomatoes rating, did not do so well in the cinemas, That is a huge gap. 

 

This was bound to happen. Ideologies cannot stem the tide of market forces and general social preference. Communism tried and it resulted in millions dead and collapse o a few societies. What chance does feminism has, eh ?  

I stated it before and I will say it again. Mad Max: Fury Road is a slightly improved version of Transformers. There is little to no plot, no story, very little character development and very little "d'aww" moments. It was just pure action and that's it. Oh, and it has feminism crap shoehorned into it. 

Here's the thing with pure high octane action. You have to not only have action but have something else like "d'aww" moments to make it work. That is what made some of the Fast & Furious movies so good to the general public. Otherwise, if you want to make pure action movies, you have to make it very male-centric, very unapologetically male since men are the majority audience for this type of thing. A good example of this is Expendables. It was just pure action as well as pure testosterone and made little to no apologies for it. 

Mad Max: Fury Road did neither one of these things. The combination of pure action, sidelining the main character and putting the female sidekick is a recipe designed to attract feminists. Here's the problem with that. There are not many feminists around in the real world. That is the reality. Most people either do not or no longer identify themselves as feminists these days. There is even a growing number of celebrities of both sexes who are not feminists. It is in many ways, like religion, in that it is a dying social ideology. It is dying a slow death but a sure one. You only see a lot feminists in the internet because, they, like their counterparts, the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) are very loud but at the end of the day a small number of people. 

So while the action scenes in Mad Max: Fury Road was rather good, it was the only thing that was good about it. Perhaps if it had some proper character development, like in Alien where Ellen Ripley, who was the actual protagonist, did have lots of character development that fleshed her out, the movie would have done really well like Alien did. But it didn't. The reality of the matter is that pure high octane over the top action kind of movies is primarily watched by men and men prefer it to be unapologetically male in the same way bad romantic BDSM fiction like 50 Shades of Grey or bad vampire romance fantasy like Twilight are primarily watched by women. 

You can't just randomly mix pure action with underdeveloped female characters in a movie which is supposed to have a male protagonist in it and expect it to do really well anymore than mixing some real world common sense into 50 Shades of Grey or Twilight and expecting it to do well in the cinemas.

 

I don't know where you're getting "hasn't done well in cinemas" from when the movie has been out for less than a week.

 

And why is Max's lack of dialogue or character a big deal NOW, when the previous 3 movies were more of the same? It's not like Max was ever a particularly deep or engaging protagonist.

 

@bold: clearly not when Fury Road demonstrates that a film can be full of action and still have a female co-star.

 

"The movie would have done really well?" Fury Road is sitting at 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, and 89% on Metacritic (with an average of 9.0 form user scores). It's got a 8.8/10 on IMDB. 

[jeromefiefdom]

Why the hate for Mel Gibson, lol? Great actor and director.

Apocolypto: Pretty good, maybe racist

 

Passion of Christ: so very very bad

[AresKeith]

*snip

 

You are trying very hard to crap on a movie that's actually being very well received since it came out 

[Sully13]

Yep like i said before Max is a COG in the story hardly the star.

From what i recall the script barely canged from its cancled 90s form. curse you Desert Storm.

thats why im realy just annoyed at the attention seeking."This is what the patriarchy is grrrrrls."

[L. Han]

You wonder why people dislike Mel Gibson and I told you why. It's not my fault that you don't seem to get why anti-semitism, racism, and flagrant misogyny aren't cool.

I'm neutral on this whole thing. But I think you can enjoy someone's work without having to like them.

[SurelyForth]

Mad Max is doing very well for an R-rated movie and, as someone pointed out above, it's actually made more money than Pitch Perfect 2 when you look at overseas figures.

 

 

[snip]

 

Mad Max: Fury Road did neither one of these things. The combination of pure action, sidelining the main character and putting the female sidekick is a recipe designed to attract feminists. Here's the problem with that. There are not many feminists around in the real world. That is the reality. Most people either do not or no longer identify themselves as feminists these days. There is even a growing number of celebrities of both sexes who are not feminists. It is in many ways, like religion, in that it is a dying social ideology. It is dying a slow death but a sure one. You only see a lot feminists in the internet because, they, like their counterparts, the Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) are very loud but at the end of the day a small number of people. 
 

[snip]

You can't just randomly mix pure action with underdeveloped female characters in a movie which is supposed to have a male protagonist in it and expect it to do really well anymore than mixing some real world common sense into 50 Shades of Grey or Twilight and expecting it to do well in the cinemas.

 

You're looking at this wrong. George Miller didn't write Fury Road the way he did because he wanted feminists to see it and to drive a feminist message, and make a bunch of money off of feminists and to trick MRA into becoming feminists or whatever the ****. He wrote Fury Road the way he did because he thought it was the right thing to do. The women in Fury Road are there because he wanted women in his movie. He worked with Eve Ensler because he wanted to do justice to the concept of sex slaves and to avoid the tropes and objectification that tend to make such narratives both unrealistic and problematic (see the current widespread discomfort with the most recent episode of Game of Thrones).

 

You seem to think the only reason anyone would give women an active role in an action movie is to pander to members of "a dying social ideology" when the reality is that the man who made Fury Road did it because the action movie he wanted to make includes women having an active role. Full stop. Furthermore, if MRAs, in an effort to shield their fragile masculinity, hadn't gone absolutely ape**** about The Vagina Monologues and OMG there are women in a Mad Max film (which, Tina Turner would probably be pretty sad right now if she weren't too busy being amazing), the larger discussion around the film would be centered on how crazy ambitious the action sequences are rather than the sex and agency of its characters. 

[Sully13]

True no one is going to this for the politics.

If you are going to MAD MAX for a intilectual stimulation i Weep for yah. 

[Sully13]

Ok i have been waning to say this for WEEKS now eversince Avengers2.

to the Coolaid drinkers on bothsides.

Give it a fukn rest.

These are not fekin clasics they are Popcorn flicks they need as mutch mental processing power as Peppa pig. 

My umbrage was with this even needing the "Feminist message." because that message has become corrupt these days.

Look at what happened to Joss Whedon.

Seriosly this is a 2fekin hourlong stunt it has asmitch inilrctual dialog as a 80s GI-JOE eppisode and Gi-Joe had Badass Females in it too.

for feks sake the Cars are the Real stars here.

[AWTEW]

You mean besides him being a raging anti-semite and racist? The man is practically a neo-N**i.

 

[TheRealJayDee]

For me the movie did lose some of the initial impact after they met Furiosa's old gang. I didn't really care all that much for those ladies, and afterwards it felt like we had already seen most of the action in some form. Still had a ton of fun watching the movie! It was definitely one of the more enjoyable action movies of the last years, and probably my favourite of the Mad Max series. 

 

Spoiler

And damn, call me crazy, but Charlize Theron has never been more gorgeous!    

[SmilesJA]

How can it perform so poorly at the box office?

[Sully13]

its only been a week and in the uk its been crappy weather.

and Avengers was more a Family movie.