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[Addai]

I'm not necessarily going to disagree with your criticism of modern action films, but I can't really agree with the praise for 90s and 80s films. I mean, the Arnie/Chuck/Van Dame, etc. line of movies were just ridiculously cheesy, besides IMO not really having great action.

I missed this earlier, but the fact that they were cheesy and fun is the point.
 

The Red Dawn change was entirely capitalism driven. China objects quite viciously to negative portrayals of their country. Hollywood caved to the pressure of (1) a country with a lot of weight to throw at them because (2) they desperately need to make inroads in China to make enough money to justify their obscene blockbuster investment. My point is just that if you liked Red Dawn, it's pretty hypocritical to then come out against Hollywood propaganda.

That's still politics and pandering, the same thing that's going on here. And I don't deny there was a political message in Red Dawn, too. It was just a fun one. Rah Rah USA works for me, simply as a premise for fun. I don't care about it as a political message.

These days, it's always so ham handed and blatant and boring when Hollywood gets political. I can think of a couple eyerolling Obamacare ads in TV shows, for instance. Surprised they didn't flash the hotline number on the screen. The latest is House of Cards' turn from a morbidly fascinating soap opera to trite, utterly implausible political pablum. It's so nice that the glitterati in LA and New York deign to instruct the rest of us how to think. The general ruin of their personal lives aside, naturally.

Feminism has a "contextual meaning" only in the broadest sense of the word. It's almost meaningless as a label because no one who labels themselves a feminist can agree with each other. It's just the No True Scotsman fallacy made manifest. The article is clearly there for marketing fluff - they used if to reach out to a nontraditional audience because most people don't give **** whether some professor gave a movie a thumbs up and, for those who do, they assumed they'd make more money with people who'd get onside with it than people who don't.

Oh I'm sure they mainly intended it as PR. It was in Time, after all- the only people still reading that are the types who would respond to the interview's premise.

I do appreciate the heads-up. The worst is going into a movie expecting it to be about some fun and a good story, only to find out it's a thinly veiled PSA.

[o Ventus]

There are a few bad woman who give feminism a bad name, but people shouldn't let those few ruin it.

Third-wave feminism in its entirety isn't even necessary. The entire foundation of the movement is to generate and make up issues where none actually exist. Third-wave feminism exists not to promote equality, but to deify women and other groups associated with it while simultaneously demonizing and condemning the "other", or anyone who isn't a part of their clique (comparing GamerGaters to N**is and ISIS, for example, and calling in fake bomb threats on the places they meet up at). And when they aren't out for man-blood, they spend their time making up idiotic nonsense like #BanBossy and replacing clapping with jazz hands, or trying to convince people that things like rape culture exist (hint: they don't). Even when they're proven wrong, they ignore factual evidence because it doesn't align with their position (look at the statements made about the falsified UVA rape charges if you don't believe me). Literally, there's a hashtag campaign called #KillAllMen, and another one called #DieCisScum (the latter one isn't exactly feminist, but a lot of the radical and hateful people in the trans community have allied themselves with third-wave feminists).

 

Third-wave feminism is a hate movement, only it looks better than other more vilified hate movements because it's spearheaded by upper-middle class women adopting the name of something that used to have a positive message. People associate the name with what it USED TO mean and think that the current incarnation is anything similar, when it just isn't.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Third-wave feminism in its entirety isn't even necessary. The entire foundation of the movement is to generate and make up issues where none actually exist. Third-wave feminism exists not to promote equality, but to deify women and other groups associated with it while simultaneously demonizing and condemning the "other", or anyone who isn't a part of their clique (comparing GamerGaters to N**is and ISIS, for example, and calling in fake bomb threats on the places they meet up at). And when they aren't out for man-blood, they spend their time making up idiotic nonsense like #BanBossy and replacing clapping with jazz hands, or trying to convince people that things like rape culture exist (hint: they don't). Even when they're proven wrong, they ignore factual evidence because it doesn't align with their position (look at the statements made about the falsified UVA rape charges if you don't believe me). Literally, there's a hashtag campaign called #KillAllMen, and another one called #DieCisScum (the latter one isn't exactly feminist, but a lot of the radical and hateful people in the trans community have allied themselves with third-wave feminists).

 

Third-wave feminism is a hate movement, only it looks better than other more vilified hate movements because it's spearheaded by upper-middle class women adopting the name of something that used to have a positive message. People associate the name with what it USED TO mean and think that the current incarnation is anything similar, when it just isn't.

 

They will try to make Human Race monosexual by a genetical experiments that its result will be spread by the (ME3) space brat! Then eradicate all men in a losing war for males...

[Gotholhorakh]

Third-wave feminism in its entirety isn't even necessary. The entire foundation of the movement is to generate and make up issues where none actually exist. Third-wave feminism exists not to promote equality, but to deify women and other groups associated with it while simultaneously demonizing and condemning the "other", or anyone who isn't a part of their clique (comparing GamerGaters to N**is and ISIS, for example, and calling in fake bomb threats on the places they meet up at). And when they aren't out for man-blood, they spend their time making up idiotic nonsense like #BanBossy and replacing clapping with jazz hands, or trying to convince people that things like rape culture exist (hint: they don't). Even when they're proven wrong, they ignore factual evidence because it doesn't align with their position (look at the statements made about the falsified UVA rape charges if you don't believe me). Literally, there's a hashtag campaign called #KillAllMen, and another one called #DieCisScum (the latter one isn't exactly feminist, but a lot of the radical and hateful people in the trans community have allied themselves with third-wave feminists).

 

Third-wave feminism is a hate movement, only it looks better than other more vilified hate movements because it's spearheaded by upper-middle class women adopting the name of something that used to have a positive message. People associate the name with what it USED TO mean and think that the current incarnation is anything similar, when it just isn't.

 

All true.

 

The thing that concerns me, ignoring the positively disgusting contradictions in the third wave (lack of) ideology and how they militate hard against rights and freedoms of other women (and people in general), and work their arses off to denigrate and cheapen the name of any woman outside their little "movement", is the backlash you create when you have large numbers of people who see themselves as virtuous, being extremely hateful and bilious towards people By Group. When you attack people by group, they will tend to round on the group you claim to represent as the "attackers" - it's wrong, but human nature isn't sensible.

 

I worry the backlash could be (for some individuals) against women as a whole and womens' rights to live by the same rules as men, when in fact these third wave types do not represent either of those things.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Actually this Mad Max movie is, in my opinion, a pile of crap.

 

Yes I actually went to watch it but only because my friend brought the tickets so I did not have to spend money for it. 

 

See, genres such as science fiction, be it apocalyptic science fiction or space opera science fiction, has always been about understanding the world,  expanding on the lore and creating a pocket virtual universe that people can enter at will, experience and leave, presumably entertained.

 

The new Mad Max movie does none of this. The movie was simply a story about "girl power" with lots and lots of pointless action scenes combined with strong censorship. The movies does not expand on the lore or allow us to understand humanity's place in a post apocalyptic world. The movie isn't even very realistic or believable. 

 

Why ?

 

In many post apocalyptic situations, what we see is that biology and survival instincts take over. The simple reality is that men on aggregate are biologically superior to women. This is why there are so few female frontline soldiers and female firefighters. There have been many instances of Survivor style reality TV show battle of the sexes and the females there screwed up big time until men come to help them out. There is a very good reason why there was a division of labor between the sexes in a survivalist environment. 

 

Secondly, the movie was content to sideline its main character whose name graces the title, Mad Max, in favor of a nobody all for the sake of girl power. Does that even make any sense ? Can you imagine watching something or reading something where the main protagonist is sidelined for the sake of pushing a particular political agenda and enjoying it ? Can you imagine playing Deus Ex where Adam Jensen is sidelined for most of the game to make way for Faridah Malik for the sake of girl power? Can you imagine playing The Witcher games where Geralt of Rivia is sidelined for most of the three games to make way for Triss Merigold for the sake of girl power ? Can you imagine playing 2013 Tomb Raider where Lara Croft is sidelined for most of the game to make way for someone like Mathias because of guy power ? 

 

Thirdly, the pointless long action scenes. They are meaningless and don't do much. They are a lot like Micheal Bay's Transformers action scenes. I mean, I was not a fan of Mad Max and had never heard Mad Max at all until I heard of this movie. So when I saw the movie, I did not have any emotional investment in the franchise. Personally, all the action scenes reminded me of Micheal Bay pointless over the top action. There was no real meaning to them. It was simply fluff to entertain the simpletons that is the masses.

 

Fourthly, the censorship. The reviews for this movie were all good. All of them. Even The Dark Knight had its critics. Its as if no one was allowed to criticize the movie and indeed when criticism against this new Mad Max was there, they were dismissed or shamed as MRAs or pencil dick or what have you. Isn't it ironic that they have a movie about strong female characters but then practice censorship against anyone who dares to criticize ? That is the fundamental irony of feminism. They want empowerment but they cannot take criticism without losing their ****. 

 

So all in all, the new Mad Max is a Transformers grade action film. If you have a strong emotional investment in the franchise, go and watch it. Otherwise, there is no good reason to spend your hard earned cash on it. 

 

Cheers.

[Voxr]

Lol you obviously don't know Mad Max.

[TheChosenOne]

Have anyone seen Mad Max yet? Was it good?

[Voxr]

Have anyone seen Mad Max yet? Was it good?

I got tickets to see it the night before regular release. ****** awesome IMO.

 

Great action flick and  both Charlize and Tom were great. Doesn't beat Road Warrior but is still a solid entry in the series.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

 

Actually this Mad Max movie is, in my opinion, a pile of crap.

 

Yes I actually went to watch it but only because my friend brought the tickets so I did not have to spend money for it. 

 

See, genres such as science fiction, be it apocalyptic science fiction or space opera science fiction, has always been about understanding the world,  expanding on the lore and creating a pocket virtual universe that people can enter at will, experience and leave, presumably entertained.

 

The new Mad Max movie does none of this. The movie was simply a story about "girl power" with lots and lots of pointless action scenes combined with strong censorship. The movies does not expand on the lore or allow us to understand humanity's place in a post apocalyptic world. The movie isn't even very realistic or believable. 

 

Why ?

 

In many post apocalyptic situations, what we see is that biology and survival instincts take over. The simple reality is that men on aggregate are biologically superior to women. This is why there are so few female frontline soldiers and female firefighters. There have been many instances of Survivor style reality TV show battle of the sexes and the females there screwed up big time until men come to help them out. There is a very good reason why there was a division of labor between the sexes in a survivalist environment. 

 

Secondly, the movie was content to sideline its main character whose name graces the title, Mad Max, in favor of a nobody all for the sake of girl power. Does that even make any sense ? Can you imagine watching something or reading something where the main protagonist is sidelined for the sake of pushing a particular political agenda and enjoying it ? Can you imagine playing Deus Ex where Adam Jensen is sidelined for most of the game to make way for Faridah Malik for the sake of girl power? Can you imagine playing The Witcher games where Geralt of Rivia is sidelined for most of the three games to make way for Triss Merigold for the sake of girl power ? Can you imagine playing 2013 Tomb Raider where Lara Croft is sidelined for most of the game to make way for someone like Mathias because of guy power ? 

 

Thirdly, the pointless long action scenes. They are meaningless and don't do much. They are a lot like Micheal Bay's Transformers action scenes. I mean, I was not a fan of Mad Max and had never heard Mad Max at all until I heard of this movie. So when I saw the movie, I did not have any emotional investment in the franchise. Personally, all the action scenes reminded me of Micheal Bay pointless over the top action. There was no real meaning to them. It was simply fluff to entertain the simpletons that is the masses.

 

Fourthly, the censorship. The reviews for this movie were all good. All of them. Even The Dark Knight had its critics. Its as if no one was allowed to criticize the movie and indeed when criticism against this new Mad Max was there, they were dismissed or shamed as MRAs or pencil dick or what have you. Isn't it ironic that they have a movie about strong female characters but then practice censorship against anyone who dares to criticize ? That is the fundamental irony of feminism. They want empowerment but they cannot take criticism without losing their ****. 

 

So all in all, the new Mad Max is a Transformers grade action film. If you have a strong emotional investment in the franchise, go and watch it. Otherwise, there is no good reason to spend your hard earned cash on it. 

 

Cheers.

 

 

Thanks for the review.

[TheChosenOne]

I got tickets to see it the night before regular release. ****** awesome IMO.

 

Great action flick and  both Charlize and Tom were great. Doesn't beat Road Warrior but is still a solid entry in the series.

 

Great! Don't know where all this feminist stuff and MM came from I kinda got a little worried. Now we hope for the game to be awesome as well! 

[AresKeith]

Have anyone seen Mad Max yet? Was it good?

 

I heard it was awesome from everyone else

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Lol you obviously don't know Mad Max.

 

The same Mad Max that says at most about 5 to 10 lines in the movie ? The same Mad Max who doesn't do much in his own movie ? 

 

I don't know about you but I have seen lots and lots of action movies in my time. From The Raid to Ip Man to Transformers to Avengers to Rush Hour to Furious 7 to Expendables. Which means pointless over the top action fluff does not impress me much anymore. I have seen too many to just go "Woah..." at it all the time. 

 

I am watching the previous Mad Max movies online now and I have to tell you, its far superior to this movie, despite the older technology. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Great! Don't know where all this feminist stuff and MM came from I kinda got a little worried. Now we hope for the game to be awesome as well! 

 

No. Movie-based video games aren't any good.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here is the best analogy I can find for this movie :-

 

Watching Mad Max Fury Road and expecting me to like it or like the Mad Max franchise as a whole solely based on this one movie is the equivalent of making me watch Star Wars Attack of The Clones and expecting me to like it or the Star Wars franchise as a whole solely based on that single movie. 

 

I also find it really staggering how positive Mad Max Fury Road is especially when you compare other movies on Rotten Tomatoes, especially after watching the movie. Its almost as if you are not allowed to criticize it. 

 

Here's The Raid and The Raid 2, which are some of the best action movies out there. Their ratings are 85% and 79% respectively. Then there's The Dark Knight which is considered by many the pinnacle of superhero action movie and it has a rating of 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. There is also Captain America The Winter Soldier which had excellent action scenes and it has a rating of 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Then there is Ex Machina, which is an oustanding sci-fi movie and it has a rating of 91% on Rotten Tomatoes.

 

You are telling me that Mad Max: Fury Road is better than all these movies and that it deserves the 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes ? I call bullshite on that. It is extremely difficult for action movies, especially modern action movies to get a 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 

 

Sources

 

http://www.rottentom...aid_redemption/

 

http://www.rottentom...m/m/the_raid_2/

 

http://www.rottentom...he_dark_knight/

 

http://www.rottentom...m/m/ex_machina/

 

http://www.rottentom...r_soldier_2014/

[Voxr]

Because  "god forbid we have a strong female lead! Must be feminazi's!"

 

 

Tishen

 

MM have always been action movies and frankly they all had very little exploration of humanity in a post-apocalyptic setting (Road Warrior sorta and Thunderdome a tad). And Max hardly talks in the first movie anyway. The only difference is he isn't THE main character in Fury Road. 

 

I hope you do enjoy the originals because they're good. (Well minus Thunderdome)

[o Ventus]

I don't understand how Fury Road is a "girl power" movie. Sure, Charlize Theron's character shares the star role with Max, but Max still does most of the heavy lifting. The most noteworthy thing Furiosa does is kill the main villain. Max is still the one who comes up with the idea to

Spoiler

go back to the Citadel so Furiosa and the women who were being used as breeding cattle can live in peace, and Max does much more of the fighting than Furiosa (who is the only woman to fight besides the band of older women that are picked up towards the end of the film).

It's not as though Max just sat back and did nothing while Furiosa did everything. Hell, even Nux (the War Boy that Max and Furiosa picked up) was the one who cut off the rest of Joe's convoy from following Max and co.

 

I'm the last person who would call themselves a feminist, but even I think i's a bit stupid when someone cries about "uh oh, girl power" just by virtue of a woman sharing he top billing, especially when one says that it actually ruined the film for them. That just strikes me as sad and pathetic.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

 

Here's The Raid and The Raid 2, which are some of the best action movies out there. Their ratings are 85% and 79% respectively. Then there's The Dark Knight which is considered by many the pinnacle of superhero action movie and it has a rating of 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. There is also Captain America The Winter Soldier which had excellent action scenes and it has a rating of 89% on Rotten Tomatoes. Then there is Ex Machina, which is an oustanding sci-fi movie and it has a rating of 91% on Rotten Tomatoes.

 

You are telling me that Mad Max: Fury Road is better than all these movies and that it deserves the 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes ? I call bullshite on that. It is extremely difficult for action movies, especially modern action movies to get a 98% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 

 

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I think some punks driving some junk vehicle on a desert makes a masterpiece settings, right?

[spinachdiaper]

I didn't read any of the previous posts and I don't care about the supposed controversy. That move was pure unabashed cinematic bliss.

[Voxr]

Well different strokes in the end I guess. It's all opinion.

 

But the movie doesn't try to be anything more than what it is. Which is: An action movie, with crazy over the top action performed by equally crazy characters. That's it. Anyone expecting more will be disappointed. The movie is visually appealing and the stunts and action sequences (for a vehicular action movie even) are tight. Especially when you take into account that a majority of it was practical effects (i.e. Most of those cars are actually blowing up, crashing, being driven on real ground). It does what it does, and it does it well in my opinion.

 

And Max isn't sidelined. The movie doesn't completely revolve around him, yes. To act like he has no part in it is silly though.

 

On the SJW/ "girl power" agenda. Anyone who thinks this movie is trying to push some sort of agenda, is as blind as the feminazi's who claim everything is pushing the patriarchal agenda. 

 

Call me an SJW (which I would hardly be considered) but the anti-tumblrfem and sjw crowd are just as annoying as the people they decry. And it's getting to the point of reddit atheism. Sooner or later fedoras will need to be passed out.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Have anyone seen Mad Max yet? Was it good?

GREAT. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Oh god forbid we have a strong female lead! Must be feminazi's!

 

Tishen

 

MM have always been action movies and frankly they all had very little exploration of humanity in a post-apocalyptic setting (Road Warrior sorta and Thunderdome a tad). And Max hardly talks in the first movie anyway. The only difference is he isn't THE main character in Fury Road. 

 

I hope you do enjoy the originals because they're good. (Well minus Thunderdome)

It has NOTHING to do with a female lead. i am female but im sick with politics being shoved into things.

Hell in most of the movies Max is simply trying to survive. No One is saying anything about Furyosa It was the implecation and what Modern Feminism has become.

My thirst thought was Great another MarrySue who wont fight back and expects things to go her way.

 

Imagine if we forced McCarthyism into things.

"OK here is RoboCop." 

"Dose he find Commies?"

"Uuuuh no he is finding a killer."

"Great make the Killer a Commie." 

[Voxr]

It has NOTHING to do with a female lead. i am female but im sick with politics being shoved into things.

Hell in most of the movies Max is simply trying to survive. No One is saying anything about Furyosa It was the implecation and what Modern Feminism has become.

My thirst thought was Great another MarrySue who wont fight back and expects things to go her way.

 

I know. I was being snide.

 

Bear with me I'm sleep deprived and hopped up on green tea. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

No probs mate. i just want to see a movie that i know is has pro environmental message with out other stuff tossed in.

No one really has a anti female agency sentiment but new Versions have a "Your either with us or against us" mentality.

I myself was a feminist wen it wasn't so Batsh*t insane.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Calling me, Eternal Phoenix, Lotion, Recon and my other allies more annoying than SJWs was your biggest mistake!

 

Now it's a world war...

 

*fires with Battleships cannons on you*

*orders F-14s and F-15s to bombard your region*