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[Sifr]

 

It isn't just about energy output either. It's control and endurance. Shepard can't even levitate or do the biotic bubble. Like if you take Kaidan to the Ardat Yakshi monestary, both him and Kaidan admit they can't do this. People like Samara and Jack are a different level of talent.

 

I don't think Shepard is as strong as Jack either, but only because they've never been "formally" trained at any great length, unlike Jack through her Cerberus "training", Kaidan who went through BAaT or Asari who are taught biotics as part of their basic education in school.

 

Biotic Shepard is canonically stated to have only manifested at the age of 16 in 2170, one year after BaAT ended and 6 years before the Ascension Project got off the ground. After joining the military at the age of 18, they were outfitted with L3 implants and put through the standard Alliance crash course at boot camp for those with biotic potential, before picking biotic specialisation that they wished to pursue.

 

It's fair to say that Sentinel Shepard as a Jack Of All Trades is (biotically speaking) less powerful than an Adept Shepard, as they obviously had to focus their attention academically on learning both biotics and engineering skills, so they traded off honing their biotic potential to instead become a more versatile soldier on the battlefield.

 

Same with a Vanguard Shepard, who in terms of biotic skill is less powerful than an Adept Shepard, but likely stronger when it comes to using their abilities. Rather than crowd control, they chose to focus more on damage dealing and becoming a biotic battering ram, thus trading a lot of finesse for raw power.

 

Safe to say that whatever spec they chose, Shepard's particular style has pros and cons compared to other biotic classes or their other biotic teammates. The reason they are so good in combat is more down to experience than anything else.

 

I suspect if you were to put Shepard through Jack's class at Grissom, they'd find out they've been using some of their abilities "wrong" compared to how the students are now trained, but frequently are using them in a way that's often "better" than the current standard, due to their years of military experience using them (and being trained at the school of hard knocks).

[KaiserShep]

Same with a Vanguard Shepard, who in terms of biotic skill is less powerful than an Adept Shepard, but likely stronger when it comes to using their abilities. Rather than crowd control, they chose to focus more on damage dealing and becoming a biotic battering ram, thus trading a lot of finesse for raw power.

 

ME1 Vanguard was actually pretty good at crowd control once lift and throw were leveled up. You could send entire teams flying against the wall, or floating in the air helplessly so you can pick them off. ME2 is basically the only one where your ability to deal with multiple enemies was stripped, and ME3 brought it back a little with nova blast. 

[Vazgen]

For Adept Shepard Liara says: He/She was an extremely talented biotic - and one of the most powerful fighters in the Alliance.

For Vanguard Shepard: The Commander was also a powerful biotic, nearly unstoppable when he/she charged into fight.

 

Both quotes leave room for someone equally (or more) powerful.

 

I think Jack is much more powerful than Shepard but she lacks "style". Jack's typical battle strategy is reminiscent of the turians - destroy the enemy with overwhelming force. Shepard is less powerful but more tactical.

Jack would lose in a fight against Samara, simply because that tactic of overwhelming opponents won't work against her. Centuries of meditation and self discipline will give justicar a huge advantage. 

But in terms of raw power, Jack is on par with Samara, she just lacks the aforementioned centuries of experience.

 

Speaking of the vents having environmental hazard, it isn't known before starting the mission. Shepard does not know anything about the vents. The only description is Jacob's "Practically a suicide mission. I volunteer"

[Quarian Master Race]

Ah yes. Forgot about Ilium.

Well at least they're not dicks about it. Mostly. But yes the extent of the institutionalization of slavery at Ilium does suggest they have a different view on the matter.

Well, as not dicks about it as owning a person can be. The historical problem with the practice, even in contracted indentured servitude form is that the slave has no means of enforcing any regulations within the contract because they are unable to terminate it under any circumstances, and both the owner and the state has a vested interest in circumventing any restrictions to gain the maximum amount of labor from the slave, including a prolonging of the term of service. It's sort of why the UN doesn't make a distinction between different forms of slavery (serfdom, peonage etc.), because it ultimately doesn't make much of a difference.
 

I always imagined that all council species have such colonies. Isn't Noveria basically the same? Both worlds were founded by individuals and corporate interests that were looking for places to operate where they wouldn't be constrained by Council law.

I mean I guess it's possible that Bioware has set it up as a kind of culture difference, but there isn't any codex entry or in-game dialogue to support this.
 

Noveria has some similarities in how it tries to skirt the laws of the Alliance and Council, but is literally 250x smaller in scale (judging by population) and doesn't serve the same purpose. It is a hub for illegal scientific research, whereas Illum is an asari world in all but legal terms that is used as an entry-port to the Terminus systems, and a trade and manufacturing hub to compete with goods made by slave labor in those systems.  We have no evidence that slave labor is a  practice on Noveria (or any other colonies run by Council species), whereas it is written right into the codex description of Illum and we see it happening in game.

Noveria's one thing, being relatively backwater and sparsely populated, but Illum is right there on the doorstep of the Asari Republics and has a massive population and industrial base with cities and everything. It's not that the asari are like batarians or anything with the practice ingrained into the primary culture as a way of life, as the Synthetic Insights rep reacts with disgust and has to be persuaded to purchase the slave. However, it still seems to be a somewhat accepted practice, judging by the fact that there is a large asari world that is used by their corporations specifically to exploit it on a large scale to gain a competitive edge.

[CrutchCricket]

Stupid thing won't let me quote...

There's no way Jack is on par with Samara. Asari>humans biotically. Then there are matriarchs who are asari at the height of their power, and then there are the justicars like Samara who are matriarcha that went through hell to get there. I'm pretty sure they used the old "only x in y survive" to tell us how brutal the training is, though I can't remember the exact ratio.

The Teltin experiment may have put Jack above all current human biotics but she's likely only average compared to asari. And again this is only strength and endurance, not training or control. And speaking of training, I got the impression at Teltin that Cerberus was just being their usual unsubtle selves and just emphasizing power and destruction in Jack's regimen. So I don't think the argument that she has more or better training holds water. It sounds more like the lesson plan was "keep prodding and let's see how much **** she can blow up"

As for the vents, the environmental hazard is a secondary, albeit crucial consideration in hindsight. Who to send still boils down to who's my best hacker? The thief, the engineer who's species' Hat is technology or the technology itself? There's no question. The order of preference is Legion, Tali, Kasumi. It also happens to work out that way for the environmental hazard concern as well. Legion can ignore anything but his melting point, Tali is always in a sealed suit with at least some climate control, Kasumi is the most exposed.

Though come to think of it, environment is not such a meta concern. We're going on a Collector vessel. The last time that happened we were all in masks/helmets. So at best there was no oxygen, at worst there was no atmosphere or it was poisonous. No reason to expect any different this time, especially after we find out the Collectors are just Prothean husks.

[Quarian Master Race]

As for the vents, the environmental hazard is a secondary, albeit crucial consideration in hindsight. Who to send still boils down to who's my best hacker? The thief, the engineer who's species' Hat is technology or the technology itself? There's no question. The order of preference is Legion, Tali, Kasumi. It also happens to work out that way for the environmental hazard concern as well. Legion can ignore anything but his melting point, Tali is always in a sealed suit with at least some climate control, Kasumi is the most exposed.

Though come to think of it, environment is not such a meta concern. We're going on a Collector vessel. The last time that happened we were all in masks/helmets. So at best there was no oxygen, at worst there was no atmosphere or it was poisonous. No reason to expect any different this time, especially after we find out the Collectors are just Prothean husks.

Eh, there are other reasons to recommend the others. Kasumi is acknowleged by Shepard as being specifically good with unfamiliar technologies when recruited for the Crucible. Tali's not just from a technologically inclined society, she's considered a prodigy/genius within that society. Legion has been on the mission a short amount of time and has potentially had the least exposure to Collector systems (the other two potentially visited the cruiser, for example) or non geth technologies in general.

Environmental concerns though, yeah. Tali says she gets set on fire, which means that the suit probably saved her and Kasumi is likely not a very good choice there by extension. Legion is unquestionably best in that regard as long as the polymers and metals its platform is made of are heat resistant or shielded enough to not impair its functioning. Hell, jobs like that are the reason the geth were originally built.

I always assumed they wore the helmets/ masks on the cruiser because of the assumption that life support systems may be disabled, well before they realized that it was just TIM fuckery.

This is all academic though, because we know who is the best choice to go in the vents.



he did volunteer   
 

[Vazgen]

Stupid thing won't let me quote...

There's no way Jack is on par with Samara. Asari>humans biotically. Then there are matriarchs who are asari at the height of their power, and then there are the justicars like Samara who are matriarcha that went through hell to get there. I'm pretty sure they used the old "only x in y survive" to tell us how brutal the training is, though I can't remember the exact ratio.

The Teltin experiment may have put Jack above all current human biotics but she's likely only average compared to asari. And again this is only strength and endurance, not training or control. And speaking of training, I got the impression at Teltin that Cerberus was just being their usual unsubtle selves and just emphasizing power and destruction in Jack's regimen. So I don't think the argument that she has more or better training holds water. It sounds more like the lesson plan was "keep prodding and let's see how much **** she can blow up"

As for the vents, the environmental hazard is a secondary, albeit crucial consideration in hindsight. Who to send still boils down to who's my best hacker? The thief, the engineer who's species' Hat is technology or the technology itself? There's no question. The order of preference is Legion, Tali, Kasumi. It also happens to work out that way for the environmental hazard concern as well. Legion can ignore anything but his melting point, Tali is always in a sealed suit with at least some climate control, Kasumi is the most exposed.

Though come to think of it, environment is not such a meta concern. We're going on a Collector vessel. The last time that happened we were all in masks/helmets. So at best there was no oxygen, at worst there was no atmosphere or it was poisonous. No reason to expect any different this time, especially after we find out the Collectors are just Prothean husks.

You would've been correct if we talked about any human biotic but Jack is different. She is powerful not only due to conditioning at Teltin facility. One example of her uniqueness is the upgrade she gets in Mass Effect 2: Jack's vital signs show progressive neural degeneration, which would normally decrease her potential ability to generate mass effect fields. Instead, her ability appears to be increasing. Replacing the power module in her bio-amp with a higher-capacity prototype module would dramatically increase the strength of Jack's biotics.

Usually asari>humans biotically. In case of Jack, the question is in the air. We see her capable of the same shockwave as Samara on the Collector Base, see her floating like Samara (though less gracefully). I think she is capable to powers of the same strength but will burn out much quicker. 

 

There is nothing known about environmental hazard in the vents. The only criterion is how good your tech expert will be. The job is basically why you would hire a thief. Tali is considered a tech genius in a tech-aligned society. More importantly, both potentially had encounters with Collectors. I don't know whether Legion will be able to hack Collector technology or not. 

[aoibhealfae]

I would have like Jacob better if he became the big bad in ME3 instead of Kai Leng. He did go back to Cerberus after all.

[themikefest]

Jacob - Gravity is one mean mother

[General TSAR]

James is actually rather insightful, easygoing, and amiable enough that most people actually were surprised at how he turned out. He's generally regarded as a decent addition to the series.

Yep.

 

James to me is the new guy who admires and wants to be like you, but doesn't stoop to hero-worship.

[Sifr]

Except Jacob, of course. "You're here because you're Cerberus.  "

 

And because he wants to sleep with the boss.

 

Seriously, Miranda, FemShep, Brynn... if Jacob is working underneath a woman, he wants to work underneath her.

 

 

(Personally, I deeply dislike this aspect of his characterisation... but it can't be denied that it's there)

[aoibhealfae]

And because he wants to sleep with the boss.

 

Seriously, Miranda, FemShep, Brynn... if Jacob is working underneath a woman, he wants to work underneath her.

 

 

(Personally, I deeply dislike this aspect of his characterisation... but it can't be denied that it's there)

That's why I always stuck Jacob inside the armory and hardly take him out to see sunlight.

 

In Paragon Lost, James is Shepard's loyal fanboy. Which is kinda cute. But he got over that pretty quick.... except whenever he's around FemShep. That was a different kind of worship.

[AlanC9]

And because he wants to sleep with the boss.
 
Seriously, Miranda, FemShep, Brynn... if Jacob is working underneath a woman, he wants to work underneath her.
 

 
(Personally, I deeply dislike this aspect of his characterisation... but it can't be denied that it's there)

Maybe, but doesn't FemShep have to pretty much throw herself at Jacob first?

[Kynare]

And because he wants to sleep with the boss.

 

Seriously, Miranda, FemShep, Brynn... if Jacob is working underneath a woman, he wants to work underneath her.

 

 

(Personally, I deeply dislike this aspect of his characterisation... but it can't be denied that it's there)

 

Jacob actually never initiates anything with Shepard at first, though. You have to push him to get him to consider even having a few drinks. His tone and reaction all said he wanted to keep it professional, and then he even tells Shepard that he wants to keep it professional.

 

Considering all of the other subordinate romance options Shepard has... those two have a lot in common. If Shepard is in a commanding position, Shepard wants to be in a commanding position. 

 

No excuses for Miranda and Brynn though.

[Sifr]

Jacob actually never initiates anything with Shepard at first, though. You have to push him to get him to consider even having a few drinks. His tone and reaction all said he wanted to keep it professional, and then he even tells Shepard that he wants to keep it professional.

 

True, that's part of why his characterisation often feels like it's all over the shop.

 

If Jacob is meant to be a consummate professional like Kaidan that you have to convince to break regs (even if Cerberus doesn't discourage fraternisation) to enter into a relationship with him, that'd be fine.

 

A lot of his character arc even supports that professional soldier vibe, as we get the sense that as much as he says Shepard is married to the job, he likes the military lifestyle and it's structure himself. It seems that the real reason he bounced from the Alliance to the Corsairs, to Ceberus and then the Cerberus Defectors, is because rather than a faceless cog in the machine, he wants to dedicate himself to a cause that he can believe and fight for?

 

But then we get to the part  of his characterisation that has him jump the bones of all three of his female bosses in a row. Granted, we learn in her Shadow Dossier that Miranda doesn't mind no-strings sex, FemShep does pretty much throw herself at him (which felt very forced) and Brynn obviously had a thing for him for a long time before they got together... so it's possible that all three of those women did initiate things first. But it does seem a bit of weak characterisation to have Jacob go from a professional to a playa at the drop of the hat just because "I see boobs, must obey".

 

I like Jacob and it's fair to say that people can be multi-faceted when it comes to their private and professional lives, my problem with his character is just that he jumped from one extreme to the other so rapidly it felt like a huge disconnect. His character is one of those we desperately needed to see more layers from in order to round them out properly?

 

 

Considering all of the other subordinate romance options Shepard has... those two have a lot in common. If Shepard is in a commanding position, Shepard wants to be in a commanding position. 

 

Yeah, we know that "We'll bang, okay?" is pretty much canon, but at least Shepard gets the excuse of often needing multiple playthroughs to achieve that, whereas Jacob seems to be trying to romance everyone in one playthrough.

 

Perhaps that's why he claimed to still love Shepard, despite being with Brynn? He wanted to see if he could perhaps win the covetted threeway belt that Shepard failed to get in ME1, as well as Captain Kirk status for himself?

 

[CrutchCricket]

Eh, there are other reasons to recommend the others. Kasumi is acknowleged by Shepard as being specifically good with unfamiliar technologies when recruited for the Crucible. Tali's not just from a technologically inclined society, she's considered a prodigy/genius within that society. Legion has been on the mission a short amount of time and has potentially had the least exposure to Collector systems (the other two potentially visited the cruiser, for example) or non geth technologies in general.

Environmental concerns though, yeah. Tali says she gets set on fire, which means that the suit probably saved her and Kasumi is likely not a very good choice there by extension. Legion is unquestionably best in that regard as long as the polymers and metals its platform is made of are heat resistant or shielded enough to not impair its functioning. Hell, jobs like that are the reason the geth were originally built.

I always assumed they wore the helmets/ masks on the cruiser because of the assumption that life support systems may be disabled, well before they realized that it was just TIM fuckery.

This is all academic though, because we know who is the best choice to go in the vents.



he did volunteer 

That may be all be true but it still doesn't make a difference in terms of who's better suited. Experience in foreign tech or being a prodigy still doesn't compare to synthetics hacking synthetics. Reaction times aside it's like picking a Westerner with a knack for languages over a native speaker to translate Russian, or Japanese. Both can do the job, but the latter is just the path of least resistance. And that's a poor comparison because a difference of languages doesn't even begin to compare to the difference in perspectives between organics and intelligent software that thinks and communicates at the speed of light. There may be unique exceptions (David from Overlord say) but overall an AI should logically always be superior to organics in the digital world. Unless the organics are digitized, or the AI is a neural net specifically limited and patterned on an organic brain.
 
And on the geth specifically, the reason they're so dangerous isn't just their platforms, it's because they can spread and hack through just about any system. Given their isolation, every case of this would count as "non-geth systems" and every time the distinction wouldn't matter.
 
But yeah, Jacob volunteered, so this is all moot.
 

You would've been correct if we talked about any human biotic but Jack is different. She is powerful not only due to conditioning at Teltin facility. One example of her uniqueness is the upgrade she gets in Mass Effect 2: Jack's vital signs show progressive neural degeneration, which would normally decrease her potential ability to generate mass effect fields. Instead, her ability appears to be increasing. Replacing the power module in her bio-amp with a higher-capacity prototype module would dramatically increase the strength of Jack's biotics.
Usually asari>humans biotically. In case of Jack, the question is in the air. We see her capable of the same shockwave as Samara on the Collector Base, see her floating like Samara (though less gracefully). I think she is capable to powers of the same strength but will burn out much quicker. 
 
There is nothing known about environmental hazard in the vents. The only criterion is how good your tech expert will be. The job is basically why you would hire a thief. Tali is considered a tech genius in a tech-aligned society. More importantly, both potentially had encounters with Collectors. I don't know whether Legion will be able to hack Collector technology or not.

Do you have any evidence that said effects are explicitly natural? Because the Teltin experiments were quite extensive. The goal there was stronger biotic potential, not just stronger biotics. I'd be surprised if gene therapy wasn't among them. Point is, they tried a shitload of stuff on the other kids and anything that worked they then applied to Jack. In terms of her biotics I would consider her as "artificial" as Miranda.
 
I can agree she might be capable of comparable energy output to Samara, but like you said nowhere near as sustained. By most definitions of power I'm aware of, that does make Samara more powerful:)
 
I've replied to this above. The only thing I'll add is regarding the expectation of environmental hazards. Short version: of course they would be anticipated. First off, the precedent of the Collector ship is justification enough. Second, even if that was merely a precaution as QMR suggested... then it's a precaution that would certainly be repeated. And if you have the choice between a fairly exposed thief, a better insulated quarian, or a synthetic that just makes the whole concern a non-issue, well then isn't the no-brainer obvious.
 
PS Bonus points that it becomes a (possibly unintentional) homage to Aliens. Bishop in the vents, Legion in the vents... Both get rather large holes through their chests, though obviously it works out better for the latter:lol:
 

I don't think she's as powerful as Samara, but Samara is practically a matriarch. That doesn't mean Jack is on the level of average Asari. Some don't even develop their abilities much. Jack is a biotic specialist in ME2 for a reason. The whole point of the suicide mission is to gather the galaxy's biggest badasses. They are all meant to be larger than life. Like ME's version of comic book heroes. And now you're just relegating it to "average Asari".

Yes well, the average asari wasn't available at the time, and also wasn't expendable:P
 
On a more serious note, if you're going to bring up superheroes, please realize there are different tiers of power.

 
Case in point. A supersoldier, two spies, a guy in Power Armor, a god and the thing that smashes other, puny gods.

 

Edit: So do these forums shrink all images to dinky proportions now? Anyone know how to stop that? Specifying height and width attributes doesn't seem to do it.

[Vazgen]

Do you have any evidence that said effects are explicitly natural? Because the Teltin experiments were quite extensive. The goal there was stronger biotic potential, not just stronger biotics. I'd be surprised if gene therapy wasn't among them. Point is, they tried a shitload of stuff on the other kids and anything that worked they then applied to Jack. In terms of her biotics I would consider her as "artificial" as Miranda.

 
I can agree she might be capable of comparable energy output to Samara, but like you said nowhere near as sustained. By most definitions of power I'm aware of, that does make Samara more powerful:)
 
I've replied to this above. The only thing I'll add is regarding the expectation of environmental hazards. Short version: of course they would be anticipated. First off, the precedent of the Collector ship is justification enough. Second, even if that was merely a precaution as QMR suggested... then it's a precaution that would certainly be repeated. And if you have the choice between a fairly exposed thief, a better insulated quarian, or a synthetic that just makes the whole concern a non-issue, well then isn't the no-brainer obvious.
 
PS Bonus points that it becomes a (possibly unintentional) homage to Aliens. Bishop in the vents, Legion in the vents... Both get rather large holes through their chests, though obviously it works out better for the latter

I didn't say that her biotics were entirely natural. Just that she is not a regular human biotic and should not be held to the same criteria. She is unique. It is not stated whether that was a result of Teltin experiments or a natural talent. I think both took place - physical and mental experiments.

 

As for the biotic power, I used the word to describe the force they can unleash in an instant. I don't know if there is a better fitting word. Maybe it's my knowledge of English - it's not my native language

 

As for expecting environmental hazards in a Collector base... The ship didn't have any IIRC, the atmosphere on the base is breathable (for all races, if we take cutscenes for granted ). I always send Tali there, Legion is my second choice (due to having no encounters with Collector tech) and Kasumi is the third choice.

 

Edit: So do these forums shrink all images to dinky proportions now? Anyone know how to stop that? Specifying height and width attributes doesn't seem to do it.

It's probably not the forums, it's the site you took the link from. The original URL is this:

http://vignette3.wik...=20120207200038

 

Forum tech probably checks for .jpg and other known image file extensions in the address and cuts everything after that. Probably for the same reason why it doesn't allow this image to be posted (despite it showing in the visual editor). If you remove the /revision/latest?cb=20120207200038 from the address, the image gets smaller:

[CrutchCricket]

I didn't say that her biotics were entirely natural. Just that she is not a regular human biotic and should not be held to the same criteria. She is unique. It is not stated whether that was a result of Teltin experiments or a natural talent. I think both took place - physical and mental experiments.
 
As for the biotic power, I used the word to describe the force they can unleash in an instant. I don't know if there is a better fitting word. Maybe it's my knowledge of English - it's not my native language

You said "she is powerful not only due to conditioning at Teltin". I know of no evidence that supports that. There's no evidence that denies it either so you can choose to believe that. I choose differently. I don't think there's anything special about Jack's biotics naturally (or at least as natural as biotics get for humans). Where she may be impressive naturally, is just having the physical stamina to endure all that was done to her. The mortality rate at Teltin supports that much, as does the fact that the scientists there focused on her exclusively. But that's less "natural talent at biotics" and more "natural talent of not dying when assholes experiment on you"

As for power, what's more powerful, something that can exert x Newtons of force for one second or something that can excert x Newtons for 10 seconds?
 

As for expecting environmental hazards in a Collector base... The ship didn't have any IIRC, the atmosphere on the base is breathable (for all races, if we take cutscenes for granted ). I always send Tali there, Legion is my second choice (due to having no encounters with Collector tech) and Kasumi is the third choice.

The decision is made before you step out of the ship, thus presumably before the atmosphere is tested. Besides, they're vents.  And vents can be... well, vented.

And again, experience is meaningless for a synthetic race known for hacking and overwhelming every system they come across. And even that aside, the geth are software. This is their world.
 

It's probably not the forums, it's the site you took the link from. The original URL is this:
http://vignette3.wik...=20120207200038
 
Forum tech probably checks for .jpg and other known image file extensions in the address and cuts everything after that. Probably for the same reason why it doesn't allow this image to be posted (despite it showing in the visual editor). If you remove the /revision/latest?cb=20120207200038 from the address, the image gets smaller:

Yeah, it doesn't allow the image to be posted with the /revision. Stupid wikis and forums not getting along...

[Vazgen]

You said "she is powerful not only due to conditioning at Teltin". I know of no evidence that supports that. There's no evidence that denies it either so you can choose to believe that. I choose differently. I don't think there's anything special about Jack's biotics naturally (or at least as natural as biotics get for humans). Where she may be impressive naturally, is just having the physical stamina to endure all that was done to her. The mortality rate at Teltin supports that much, as does the fact that the scientists there focused on her exclusively. But that's less "natural talent at biotics" and more "natural talent of not dying when assholes experiment on you"

As for power, what's more powerful, something that can exert x Newtons of force for one second or something that can excert x Newtons for 10 seconds?

Indirect evidence can be her becoming the prime test subject. I don't think it was her physical resilience that set her apart from the other children, especially at such a young age.

 

Depends on x If everything is dead after 1 second then they are equally powerful

 

The decision is made before you step out of the ship, thus presumably before the atmosphere is tested. Besides, they're vents.  And vents can be... well, vented. 

And again, experience is meaningless for a synthetic race known for hacking and overwhelming every system they come across. And even that aside, the geth are software. This is their world.

That's why you send someone in a sealed suit

 

That is Collector tech, something presumably more advanced than technology of organic races of the cycle. To be fair, Legion did hack that door on a Derelict Reaper. But it also got "killed" in the process.

I don't activate Legion anyway

[CrutchCricket]

Indirect evidence can be her becoming the prime test subject. I don't think it was her physical resilience that set her apart from the other children, especially at such a young age.
 
Depends on x If everything is dead after 1 second then they are equally powerful

There could've been a number of iterations before she became the prime subject. Or to simplify, she could've simply been the only one that made it past the first round, before they had others to experiment on and presumably, got better at their jobs.

That's a pretty big if. Most people look for sustainable results. One hit wonders are just that.
 

That's why you send someone in a sealed suit
 
That is Collector tech, something presumably more advanced than technology of organic races of the cycle. To be fair, Legion did hack that door on a Derelict Reaper. But it also got "killed" in the process.
I don't activate Legion anyway

Nah, that's why you send someone who ignores (most) environmental hazards to begin with;) 
 
If the technology's more advanced that's even worse for the organics. As presented, the geth are fundamentally superior to organics when it comes to hacking/interfacing with systems. What's harder for Legion may be downright impossible for an organic. And Legion was doing well enough on the derelict Reaper until it got sucker-punched. But that doesn't matter. In the real world it's platform would only be marginally better than an organic, but likely not three of them and certainly not enough to just shrug off waves of techno-zombies, while also trying to hack stuff.
 
Your loss.
 

To each their own, I guess. Go ahead and turn Mass Effect 2 into some mundane, random mission where you only recruit people just to get them killed. It could've have been almost anyone going through the Relay. 
 
Even if you're not a Jack fan, you don't sound like much of an ME fan either. The story is supposed to be epic, and you're just castrating it.

lol take it easy. Just because I don't agree that your favorite can beat up everyone in existence doesn't mean I dislike the game or am trying to "make it mundane".

How is it mundane? If anything it'd be more epic if our heroes were just badass normals that took down a huge threat (provided it didn't snap credibility). Not that they are just normal. We've got Space Jesus leading a team consisting of a designer human that brought him back from the dead, a Clint Eastwood-looking Sherlock-scanning genius scientist, a perfect-memory assassin, a quirky ninja thief, a thousand year old space monk Judge Dredd with superpowers, a gestalt-AI robot, Space Batman, a designer krogan, an unkillable merc who was just too pissed off to die, a prodigious tech genius from a race of nomadic technical Maguyvers and your favorite, the psychotic biotic ex con that can only be contained if she's unconscious.
 
Or are you one of those people that needs their characters to always be overpowered?
 
Also fun fact: the ME2 gang was created pretty much for only the underlined. Bioware really had a hardon for the suicide mission idea but they couldn't risk killing precious Liara or the dextros. Solution: put them on a bus (except if the fans cry too loudly) and come up with some other expendable chumps. Only problem is said chumps turned out to be far more interesting.
 
**** happens.
 
 

She THOUGHT she had it worse than anyone, but when you do the loyalty mission, she realizes the other kids went through even worse. This is the thing that changes her attitude. That she was never quite the strong survivor she thought she was --- other people died and were tortured, on her behalf. I already explained this to you when you said awhile back how it didn't make sense why she cares about kids at Grissom. She's already coming to this conclusion in the loyalty mission. It's why she wants to kill Aresh.

Uhm, what?

 

I never said it doesn't make sense why she cares. I said it doesn't make sense that she's officially hired as a teacher, by the Alliance for arguably one of the most important institutions in human history, given her very colorful past.

 

I have, on the other hand repeatedly said that that I can appreciate the character arc itself removed from that and would have no problem with it if it wasn't in an official capacity, i.e. if she just formed a gang of biotic strays.