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lol take it easy. Just because I don't agree that your favorite can beat up everyone in existence doesn't mean I dislike the game or am trying to "make it mundane".

 

I didn't say she could beat everyone. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I already agreed that Samara is more powerful. 

 

Learn to stop being a smartass and I'll take it easy.



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Or are you one of those people that needs their characters to always be overpowered?
 

 

They're not that overpowered. The Collectors are still bad ass opponents for them. 

 

They're still my favorite group of enemies, after all is said and done. I think they might be the Reapers best "husk" units. They seem that way in Armax too.


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I didn't say she could beat everyone. Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I already agreed that Samara is more powerful. 
 
Learn to stop being a smartass and I'll take it easy.

 
You first. Edited post or not, you were the one that accused me of making ME2 "mundane" and questioning whether I was a fan. My reply was no more overblown or inaccurate than yours was.

The fact is you're reacting quite negatively at the mere assertion that your favorite is not as built up as you'd like her to be.

And I can understand that. We put more weight on the cool or badass aspects of our favorites and downplay their flaws or weaknesses.

So how about we agree that we're both within the bounds of lore but interpret some characters differently and there we might not agree?

 

They're not that overpowered. The Collectors are still bad ass opponents for them. 
 
They're still my favorite group of enemies, after all is said and done. I think they might be the Reapers best "husk" units. They seem that way in Armax too.

MP shenanigans aside, banshees are likely the top husk unit encountered. Yoiu know, because asari. I discount Praetorians because they're constructs (multiple husks).
Beyond that though your typical Collector mooks do tend to be nastier, because every one of'em has a trick up their sleeve, be it seeker swarms, possession or just blowing up. My only question is why don't regular Reaper units get some of this stuff? Possession and abominations at least.

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You first. Edited post or not, you were the one that accused me of making ME2 "mundane" and questioning whether I was a fan. My reply was no more overblown or inaccurate than yours was.

The fact is you're reacting quite negatively at the mere assertion that your favorite is not as built up as you'd like her to be.

 

I'm reacting negatively to you. Not the idea of dismissing Jack. I don't care what your opinions on her are. It's that you try to go about it in some way like you're an authority on the subject, when you seeminly don't pay attention to the details in the games. If you don't care for her, leave it at that. I don't like some things either. Otherwise, use material from the games, read the descriptions, pay attention to the quests. First you can't accept she was called the most powerful human biotic, then I provided the description from the games.. then you nitpick that it only says "suspected". Like this is fine print legalese or something. You finally budged on this though, so I'll give you credit.

 

But then make it worse by saying the most powerful humans are just average Asari. :D This is where you're being a smartass, and making ME2 look stupid as a whole. Like Shepard is just recruiting a bunch of scrubs. Like he can't find anything better or something.

 

Then you add that she's only special for "surviving" Pragia and tougher than the others. But that's not the content of her quest. The other kids there were tortured at her expense, so they could be sure what would work or not. The Shadow Broker dossier also described Cerberus recognizing her as high value even as a baby. Hell, the Shadow Broker himself says he'll pay almost as much for her as he will for Shepard's body. But according to you, she's really just like any Asari and merely "tough". Hell man, she's even one of the favorites for Hudson, and he created the series. I don't think he'd say that if she was merely an average Asari. We might as well have recruited that chick getting woo'ed by the Krogan at Illium. Or anyone at Illium, for that matter.



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On the subject of Jack, I do wish that there was an option to leave her to die on that station. I would probably not choose that option often, but my jerkShep would totally do that, especially since any kind of Shepard has a fairly compelling reason to do so. 


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especially since any kind of Shepard has a fairly compelling reason to do so. 

 

Maybe gay ones.

 

 

No, I'm serious.

 

I liked her the minute I got her out of cryo. That was a cooler twist than meeting Garrus. And she talked sh*t in a realistic way, once I met her. I knew it'd be good. But on this second note, the dialogue in ME2 was so much better all around that I couldn't deny almost anyone. I loved it all too much. I'm not going to cut myself out of content.



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Well my Shepard is female so she'd have to be gay if those interests were any kind of priority anyhow :P

 

But, in serious role-play mode, a crazy biotic murderer that tears through a station could be seen as a liability. It's a good enough reason to say "F*ck this I'll just be on my way." But, my canon femShep's like why the frak not. Welcome aboard. For good measure, Miranda gets annoyed because Cerberus files are served up on a silver platter.

 

As for denying content, I always have at least one character where I do exactly that. My city elf in Origins slits Zevran's throat while he's passed out, kills Wynne and tells Leliana to get lost. Alistair has no one to talk to except a psycho elf and a witch that hates him, and then he gets executed by Anora lol.



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Well my Shepard is female so she'd have to be gay if those interests were any kind of priority anyhow :P

 

But, in serious role-play mode, a crazy biotic murderer that tears through a station could be seen as a liability. It's a good enough reason to say "F*ck this I'll just be on my way."

 

As for denying content, I always have at least one character where I do exactly that. My city elf in Origins slits Zevran's throat while he's passed out, kills Wynne and tells Leliana to get lost. Alistair has no one to talk to except a psycho elf and a witch that hates him, and then he gets executed by Anora lol.

 

I guess.. in serious role play mode...

 

But I can't deny my love for bombastic, destructive sci-fi stuff like Purgatory... It just fit my preferred aesthetic. I'm already an old skater punk. It was right up my alley. I was surprised Bioware went this direction (and just darker and seedier in general for ME2). It's why it's still my favorite game of theirs. ME2 is where my geekier side and my criminal side met. :P



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I prefer having everyone, and Jack is actually one of my favorite characters aside from Mordin, Garrus and Zaeed, but jerkPC has but one need: to screw with the universe and everyone in it.



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On the subject of Jack, I do wish that there was an option to leave her to die on that station. I would probably not choose that option often, but my jerkShep would totally do that, especially since any kind of Shepard has a fairly compelling reason to do so. 

If they have that for Jack, I would like to have that choice for other characters. Leave Garrus to be killed on Omega. Mordin would be needed since he does the swarm thing or have him not recruited causing one of the squadmates to die on Horizon.  All others don't have to be recruited. Miranda and Jacob have to be with you at the beginning since Shepard needs two squadmates to start with.



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If they have that for Jack, I would like to have that choice for other characters. Leave Garrus to be killed on Omega. Mordin would be needed since he does the swarm thing or have him not recruited causing one of the squadmates to die on Horizon.  All others don't have to be recruited. Miranda and Jacob have to be with you at the beginning since Shepard needs two squadmates to start with.

Oh, I agree. The more opportunities for my alt character to abandon people and leave them for dead, the better. Zaeed is probably the lone exception I'd ever make for jerkPC, because the Renegade path of resolving his loyalty mission is right up his alley.

 

But on the subject of Garrus, it would be totally hilarious if we leave him behind despite him being recruited in ME1, which makes it seem extra personal.

 

Shepard: I should go.

 

Garrus: Shepard! Why you gotta play me like this!


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I prefer having everyone, and Jack is actually one of my favorite characters aside from Mordin, Garrus and Zaeed, but jerkPC has but one need: to screw with the universe and everyone in it.

 

I understand.

 

 

And I've killed Zevran too. It's terrrible...  because he's so glib until that point.



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It feels kind of rough killing everyone when you get to really know their characters, but that's what adds to the masochism fun.



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And I've killed Zevran too. It's terrrible...  because he's so glib until that point.

I don't care about that guy. He tried to kill me, so I return the favor. I kept him alive only once to get the trophy that is related to the character



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I don't care about that guy. He tried to kill me, so I return the favor. I kept him alive only once to get the trophy that is related to the character

 

He's a light character. I have an easier time seeing Jack die than that... I understand why people have problems with her. You have to go deeper to see more. Zevran on the other hand is a rogue and a joke character, like Isabela. If anything, I'd prefer recruiting him and naturally seeing if I win him over later... or have to kill him. I have a harder time recruiting Sten. Unless I'm some stupid Dalish or something, and think I'm "giving it to the man" by freeing him. It really makes no sense to me on a Cousland..... who just saw his family get killed.



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Oh, I agree. The more opportunities for my alt character to abandon people and leave them for dead, the better. Zaeed is probably the lone exception I'd ever make for jerkPC, because the Renegade path of resolving his loyalty mission is right up his alley.

 

But on the subject of Garrus, it would be totally hilarious if we leave him behind despite him being recruited in ME1, which makes it seem extra personal.

 

Shepard: I should go.

 

Garrus: Shepard! Why you gotta play me like this!

I wonder if he would have the same look on his face as Jacob's father when you leave him to his fate



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There could've been a number of iterations before she became the prime subject. Or to simplify, she could've simply been the only one that made it past the first round, before they had others to experiment on and presumably, got better at their jobs.

That's a pretty big if. Most people look for sustainable results. One hit wonders are just that.

Don't you see that you deliberately belittle Jack's power, ignoring lore in the process? It is stated in her dossier that "Jack is rumored to be the most powerful human biotic ever encountered.". Shadow Broker dossier states: "DC: Open a secure channel, authorization 3362... Yes. It's me. I've got a candidate... Yes, highest potential I've seen in years... No, the family has been dealt with. Send a team from Pragia ASAP". Jack is unique not only for her physical resilience.

 

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I have already stated that she will lose a fight with Samara. I have also stated what I meant when saying that she is as powerful as the justicar. I don't know other word in English that can describe it better. 

 

Nah, that's why you send someone who ignores (most) environmental hazards to begin with ;)

 
If the technology's more advanced that's even worse for the organics. As presented, the geth are fundamentally superior to organics when it comes to hacking/interfacing with systems. What's harder for Legion may be downright impossible for an organic. And Legion was doing well enough on the derelict Reaper until it got sucker-punched. But that doesn't matter. In the real world it's platform would only be marginally better than an organic, but likely not three of them and certainly not enough to just shrug off waves of techno-zombies, while also trying to hack stuff.  ^_^
 
Your loss.  :P

You're going with the assumption that all three have the same basis to work from. It is not the case. Tali and Kasumi are potentially familiar with Collector technology and protocols, Legion isn't. Legion spends time to identify weaknesses in Collector security measures, Tali and Kasumi can already have them identified. However, Legion's unique "talents" allow it to spend as much time to identify weaknesses and break security as Tali and Kasumi spend only on breaking it. Personally, I'd send someone familiar with the technology instead of taking a gamble on whether the Legion will be able to adapt to it in time.

 

Nah, I'm good :P



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I'm reacting negatively to you. Not the idea of dismissing Jack. I don't care what your opinions on her are. It's that you try to go about it in some way like you're an authority on the subject, when you seeminly don't pay attention to the details in the games. If you don't care for her, leave it at that. I don't like some things either. Otherwise, use material from the games, read the descriptions, pay attention to the quests. First you can't accept she was called the most powerful human biotic, then I provided the description from the games.. then you nitpick that it only says "suspected". Like this is fine print legalese or something. You finally budged on this though, so I'll give you credit.

Practice what you preach pal.

Also to the underlined:

It's not acknowledged because it isn't true. Jack is suspected of being the most powerful codex-wise.

Funny how you try to throw your own words at me.
 

But then make it worse by saying the most powerful humans are just average Asari. :D This is where you're being a smartass, and making ME2 look stupid as a whole. Like Shepard is just recruiting a bunch of scrubs. Like he can't find anything better or something.

Yeah and guess what, he really can't find anyone better! He doesn't find anyone at all. He just goes where TIM leads him, like a sheep. The only squadmate Shepard can take credit for in the initiative department is Legion. And possibly Grunt. Or did you not "pay attention" to that little detail?

Is it my fault the asari are written as natural biotics and that biotic training is practically public school curriculum? Is it my fault they were actively experimented on and improved by the Protheans? Is it my fault their entire home planet is teeming with eezo? Is it my fault they hid the beacon and kept ahead of everyone else? Is it my fault that humans are the new kids on the block and need atrocities like ships exploding above them resulting in eezo fallout to start upping their game in the biotics department? Or that only one in ten develop them as it is, with others suffering tumors or other huge defects?

Did you not bother reading those descriptions because they don't fit your definition of an epic game? I'm not an authority. I just don't pick and choose what to conveniently ignore so my waifu is n1.
 

Then you add that she's only special for "surviving" Pragia and tougher than the others. But that's not the content of her quest. The other kids there were tortured at her expense, so they could be sure what would work or not. The Shadow Broker dossier also described Cerberus recognizing her as high value even as a baby. Hell, the Shadow Broker himself says he'll pay almost as much for her as he will for Shepard's body. But according to you, she's really just like any Asari and merely "tough". Hell man, she's even one of the favorites for Hudson, and he created the series. I don't think he'd say that if she was merely an average Asari. We might as well have recruited that chick getting woo'ed by the Krogan at Illium. Or anyone at Illium, for that matter.

Please point exactly to where I said the underlined. Quote me. Oh wait, you can't, because what I said was:
 

You said "she is powerful not only due to conditioning at Teltin". I know of no evidence that supports that. There's no evidence that denies it either so you can choose to believe that. I choose differently. I don't think there's anything special about Jack's biotics naturally (or at least as natural as biotics get for humans). Where she may be impressive naturally, is just having the physical stamina to endure all that was done to her. The mortality rate at Teltin supports that much, as does the fact that the scientists there focused on her exclusively. But that's less "natural talent at biotics" and more "natural talent of not dying when assholes experiment on you"

I assume it's evident to anyone with average reading comprehension that the above paragraph does not equate to "she's only special because she survived". I said she's special because she could survive and thus she was further made special by the **** she did survive.
 
By the way, if you continue to pay attention to the underlined you'll see  I already acknowledge that a) there are two interpretations here, both of which fit the bounds of lore and you can subscribe to either as you see fit and B) Teltin was clearly about her.
 
But I'm the bad guy dissing your precious favorite character. Don't let facts get in your way.
 

Don't you see that you deliberately belittle Jack's power, ignoring lore in the process? It is stated in her dossier that "Jack is rumored to be the most powerful human biotic ever encountered.". Shadow Broker dossier states: "DC: Open a secure channel, authorization 3362... Yes. It's me. I've got a candidate... Yes, highest potential I've seen in years... No, the family has been dealt with. Send a team from Pragia ASAP". Jack is unique not only for her physical resilience.
 
I'm not sure what you're getting at. I have already stated that she will lose a fight with Samara. I have also stated what I meant when saying that she is as powerful as the justicar. I don't know other word in English that can describe it better.

Well, at least you're civil.

 

Where am I ignoring lore though? Did I ignore that she's the most powerful human biotic? Nope. I'm purposefully ignoring the word "rumored" lest it be claimed I have an agenda to discredit even this basic fact. But look at the underlined. Highest potential is undefined. Potential could be anything. Granted it's likely not knitting potential. But physical potential is most likely. You want to say it's biotic potential. But what measure would biotic potential be in an infant? Eezo concentration? "Eezo exposure is not guaranteed to result in biotic ability". Not to mention that around this time Henry Lawson is perfecting (or has already perfected) artificial eezo nodule implantation (Miranda was born before the advent of human biotics) and he's still buddy-buddy with Cerberus. So the technology is there to "enhance" Jack's biotic potential as it is. And on a sidenote that would've made for an interesting layer in the Jack-Miranda interactions if it was discovered that Lawson research provided some of the materials or procedures used at Teltin.

 

But in any case, I fail to see how this belittles Jack's power in any way. If you follow my interpretation, she's the only one (or the first one) that can survive what they're planning to do to her. She's the Wolverine to Teltin's Weapon X. How the hell is that not impressive?

 

And ultimately, is she still the most powerful human biotic? Yes? Does she rip apart two YMIRs like they're tissue paper? Yes. The lore is the lore. And the lore states Teltin was trying to create the most powerful biotic. And they succeeded, in the Gone Horribly Right kinda way. The ratios of natural talent to experimental enhancements is irrelevant to that bottom line. Is Captain America lessened because "everything special about him came out of a bottle"? No, and that's technically true, at least as far as his explicit powers are concerned. His personality is another matter entirely of course, but this discussion isn't about personality.

 

To the power discussion, I think we're just approaching from different perspectives. You think of it in terms of combat. I was thinking more in a physics sense. I'm not going to bust out equations or anything but I would consider something that can output x amount of force for a sustained period more powerful than something can only output it in bursts. It takes more energy to sustain that level of force. I'm sure a real physicist would tear up my use of nomenclature but in layman's terms more energy=more power.
 

You're going with the assumption that all three have the same basis to work from. It is not the case. Tali and Kasumi are potentially familiar with Collector technology and protocols, Legion isn't. Legion spends time to identify weaknesses in Collector security measures, Tali and Kasumi can already have them identified. However, Legion's unique "talents" allow it to spend as much time to identify weaknesses and break security as Tali and Kasumi spend only on breaking it. Personally, I'd send someone familiar with the technology instead of taking a gamble on whether the Legion will be able to adapt to it in time.
 
Nah, I'm good :P

The time Legion spends "identifying vulnerabilities" may be counted in milliseconds. The delay, if any would be negligible. We're talking about a programmer sitting down and cranking out some code, vs an intelligent system that generate code. How do you not see the advantages of the latter? Not to mention that Legion was poking around a Reaper earlier and the geth as a whole have interfaced with Sovereign before (talking about the initial contact, not the Heretics breaking off). So I don't think Collector protocols would vastly different (given they're more husk than Prothean) and they certainly wouldn't be superior to the Reapers' themselves. So I think the experience argument is pretty thin.



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Well, at least you're civil.

 

Where am I ignoring lore though? Did I ignore that she's the most powerful human biotic? Nope. I'm purposefully ignoring the word "rumored" lest it be claimed I have an agenda to discredit even this basic fact. But look at the underlined. Highest potential is undefined. Potential could be anything. Granted it's likely not knitting potential. But physical potential is most likely. You want to say it's biotic potential. But what measure would biotic potential be in an infant? Eezo concentration? "Eezo exposure is not guaranteed to result in biotic ability". Not to mention that around this time Henry Lawson is perfecting (or has already perfected) artificial eezo nodule implantation (Miranda was born before the advent of human biotics) and he's still buddy-buddy with Cerberus. So the technology is there to "enhance" Jack's biotic potential as it is. And on a sidenote that would've made for an interesting layer in the Jack-Miranda interactions if it was discovered that Lawson research provided some of the materials or procedures used at Teltin.

 

But in any case, I fail to see how this belittles Jack's power in any way. If you follow my interpretation, she's the only one (or the first one) that can survive what they're planning to do to her. She's the Wolverine to Teltin's Weapon X. How the hell is that not impressive?

 

And ultimately, is she still the most powerful human biotic? Yes? Does she rip apart two YMIRs like they're tissue paper? Yes. The lore is the lore. And the lore states Teltin was trying to create the most powerful biotic. And they succeeded, in the Gone Horribly Right kinda way. The ratios of natural talent to experimental enhancements is irrelevant to that bottom line. Is Captain America lessened because "everything special about him came out of a bottle"? No, and that's technically true, at least as far as his explicit powers are concerned. His personality is another matter entirely of course, but this discussion isn't about personality.

 

To the power discussion, I think we're just approaching from different perspectives. You think of it in terms of combat. I was thinking more in a physics sense. I'm not going to bust out equations or anything but I would consider something that can output x amount of force for a sustained period more powerful than something can only output it in bursts. It takes more energy to sustain that level of force. I'm sure a real physicist would tear up my use of nomenclature but in layman's terms more energy=more power.

We are talking about a child here. A 5 year-old child, according to Mass Effect Timeline. I don't think you can judge the person's ability to withstand physical and mental hardships at such a young age. It's not like she has Wolverine's regenerative abilities ;) As for how they determined biotic potential, I'm thinking of both physical evaluation (number of biotic nodules in her body) and ability to generate mass effect fields (like, moving items around her without an implant - Magneto and/or Jean Grey). 

 

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Once again, I'm not saying that there wasn't any physical manipulation to increase Jack's biotic abilities. Just that she had the potential for those manipulations, enough to single her out from the other kids at a very young age. I don't think it is possible to create a biotic with Jack's power from any human biotic using the data and techniques of Teltin facility. This all discussion started from you saying that 

 

The Teltin experiment may have put Jack above all current human biotics but she's likely only average compared to asari.

 

which is not the case. As we see in the Suicide Mission, Samara is exhausted and can't maintain the field if not loyal, despite centuries of meditation and perfecting her powers. She is also exhausted even when loyal, as is Jack. So the biotic bubble is quite a straining endeavor and only her and Jack are able to pull it off. And we have seen how powerful is Samara compared to other asari. If Jack's powers were only average compared to asari, why would Cerberus bother with releasing her? Since they already shown willingness to work with other races they could've just hired an asari for the job, like they did with Zaeed and Kasumi. But they risked releasing Subject Zero. 

 

As for power discussion, it all comes from me being unable to choose a word other than "power" to describe the amount of force Jack and Samara can output in an instant. If you know some other word for it, I'll be glad to use it in the future. If not, we'll have to determine what we discuss. :)

 

The time Legion spends "identifying vulnerabilities" may be counted in milliseconds. The delay, if any would be negligible. We're talking about a programmer sitting down and cranking out some code, vs an intelligent system that generate code. How do you not see the advantages of the latter? Not to mention that Legion was poking around a Reaper earlier and the geth as a whole have interfaced with Sovereign before (talking about the initial contact, not the Heretics breaking off). So I don't think Collector protocols would vastly different (given they're more husk than Prothean) and they certainly wouldn't be superior to the Reapers' themselves. So I think the experience argument is pretty thin.

This is all speculation, we don't know how much time is spent on creating bypass, finding vulnerabilities etc. All we know is that both the organics and Legion spend the same time hacking the door which means that (considering Legion's uniqueness) Legion spends quite some time (for it) to familiarize with the technology and hack it. Or that the developers simply didn't bother with creating a unique scene for Legion. So yeah, the argument is thin but it comes down to the player's preference in the end - what does he wish to believe. 



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We are talking about a child here. A 5 year-old child, according to Mass Effect Timeline. I don't think you can judge the person's ability to withstand physical and mental hardships at such a young age. It's not like she has Wolverine's regenerative abilities ;) As for how they determined biotic potential, I'm thinking of both physical evaluation (number of biotic nodules in her body) and ability to generate mass effect fields (like, moving items around her without an implant - Magneto and/or Jean Grey).

Maybe. Though again, this is the near future where genetic manipulation is common. That means they've must've fully mapped the human genome and thus be able to better predict what an individual will be physically capable of. Mentally, I'm not sure they cared. Even if she went insane the data would've survived and they'd try again in the next iteration (whenever they found another suitable candidate). Not to mention that physically they could've kept going.
 

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Once again, I'm not saying that there wasn't any physical manipulation to increase Jack's biotic abilities. Just that she had the potential for those manipulations, enough to single her out from the other kids at a very young age. I don't think it is possible to create a biotic with Jack's power from any human biotic using the data and techniques of Teltin facility.

Mine as well, with a healthy dose of 90s TV shows and random readings on wikis. ;)

 

I can agree with your statement in its entirety and yet disagree that Jack had substantially higher biotic potential specifically. I posit the following: Jack had heightened physical potential as defined by mapping her genes and only standard or slightly higher biotic potential as measured by mass effect field generation. Still within lore parameters but open to speculation. That's my entire point.
 

This all discussion started from you saying that 
 
 
which is not the case. As we see in the Suicide Mission, Samara is exhausted and can't maintain the field if not loyal, despite centuries of meditation and perfecting her powers. She is also exhausted even when loyal, as is Jack. So the biotic bubble is quite a straining endeavor and only her and Jack are able to pull it off. And we have seen how powerful is Samara compared to other asari. If Jack's powers were only average compared to asari, why would Cerberus bother with releasing her? Since they already shown willingness to work with other races they could've just hired an asari for the job, like they did with Zaeed and Kasumi. But they risked releasing Subject Zero. 
 
As for power discussion, it all comes from me being unable to choose a word other than "power" to describe the amount of force Jack and Samara can output in an instant. If you know some other word for it, I'll be glad to use it in the future. If not, we'll have to determine what we discuss. :)

I would be willing to amend that to "average compared to Matriach-level asari" then. Which is still an outstanding accomplishment.

 

Again I don't think Jack should've been able to hold the bubble (for the sustaining output discussion we've been having) but it happened so we must accept it.

 

It still makes zero sense that Cerberus want to recruit her, given their past and especially since a better option (Samara) presents itself relatively quickly afterwards. Or that they don't try to rescind and get you to turn her in once Samara does show up on their radar. Or indeed that they don't try and get another asari. TIM has "consorted" with matriarchs before. Surely he could've pulled some strings.
 
I'm not sure there is a better word. We just look at it differently. :)
 

This is all speculation, we don't know how much time is spent on creating bypass, finding vulnerabilities etc. All we know is that both the organics and Legion spend the same time hacking the door which means that (considering Legion's uniqueness) Legion spends quite some time (for it) to familiarize with the technology and hack it. Or that the developers simply didn't bother with creating a unique scene for Legion. So yeah, the argument is thin but it comes down to the player's preference in the end - what does he wish to believe.

I think you nailed it- the devs made it a standardized role, which means it plays the same, regardless of what you choose. And even if you choose Jacob, he hacks at the same speed, he just dies at the door afterwards, doesn't he? So that's not saying much.

 

Otherwise, there is simply no comparison between organic and synthetic reaction times.

 

Modern Computer interaction defines the following:

 

0.1 second is about the limit for having the user feel that the system is reacting instantaneously

 

That's a tenth of a second. Modern computers measure most things in milliseconds. (0.001s) As in thousandths of seconds. A single ping request takes around 17 milliseconds to complete, including latency, on a decent connection. We can't even perceive that increment of time.

 

There's just no contest. As an intelligent system capable of adapting and known for hacking or just plain overwhelming foreign systems, Legion just outclasses any organic hacker. By a wide, wide margin. Logically it is the ideal choice.

 

Of course organics aren't always logical... so Jacob it is. :devil:



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Well, like you said, we should accept it. Jack is comparable to Samara when holding the bubble. The only way to explain it is to make Jack unique, since normally human biotics won't be able to even come close to that level. And that brings us to her biotic, not physical potential, because if it was the latter it would mean that any human biotic can become comparable to asari matriarch via physical conditioning and manipulation (which is accessible to general public - Petrovsky couple). While in case of biotic potential, it is not as well-known and even Henry Lawson wasn't able to give Miranda biotics of a strength comparable to Jack's. That's why Jack's body is so valuable (worth almost as much as Shepards according to the Shadow Broker), because it is still not understood how she is capable of such biotic power. 

 

Jacob's hacking speed is... not as fast :lol: You mentioned connection speed. Legion will be limited by it. If you connect two PCs with a USB, the speed of data transfer will be limited by the connection. Same goes for Legion. 

Oh, and I just noticed, since tech expert always equips an SMG, Kasumi is the best choice :D



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I always choose Legion because I can't stand listening to Tali crying out that its hot. Just nope... 

 

then again, sometimes I have Kasumi with me just so she would be the one who Shepard dive to save... because that made more sense for her to be traumatized by Shepard's adventures that she didn't want to join the Normandy team.



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I used Kasumi the most for the vent.



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I always choose Legion because I can't stand listening to Tali crying out that its hot. Just nope... 

consider it incentive to go faster. :D  That part of the mission gives you far too much time to hit the gates as is.



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Well, like you said, we should accept it. Jack is comparable to Samara when holding the bubble. The only way to explain it is to make Jack unique, since normally human biotics won't be able to even come close to that level. And that brings us to her biotic, not physical potential, because if it was the latter it would mean that any human biotic can become comparable to asari matriarch via physical conditioning and manipulation (which is accessible to general public - Petrovsky couple). While in case of biotic potential, it is not as well-known and even Henry Lawson wasn't able to give Miranda biotics of a strength comparable to Jack's. That's why Jack's body is so valuable (worth almost as much as Shepards according to the Shadow Broker), because it is still not understood how she is capable of such biotic power. 

 

Jacob's hacking speed is... not as fast :lol: You mentioned connection speed. Legion will be limited by it. If you connect two PCs with a USB, the speed of data transfer will be limited by the connection. Same goes for Legion. 

Oh, and I just noticed, since tech expert always equips an SMG, Kasumi is the best choice :D

Teltin-level experimentation and enhancements are definitely not accessible to the general public, and would only work on individuals with Jack's level of fortitude. For now.

 

As for Lawson, Starkilleresque biotics were either not part of his definition of a "perfect human" or he hadn't gotten around to it yet (Miranda was only version x.0 where x is greater than 1). Either that or most of the Teltin data was lost as a result of Jack trashing the place and/or TIM giving the shutdown order. Or maybe he simply couldn't make it work with his genome in time.

 

I don't know... the animations don't look any different to me. Jacob just fails

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The connection latency is still insignificant compared to that of organic reaction times.

 

Kasumi is almost always the best choice, for just about anything :wub: 

 

Just not this time.

 

then again, sometimes I have Kasumi with me just so she would be the one who Shepard dive to save... because that made more sense for her to be traumatized by Shepard's adventures that she didn't want to join the Normandy team.

Man, almost falling. Guess she must have a fear of heights or...

 

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Oh wait.