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James and Diana Allers - WHY do they EXIST?


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#526
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Wrex could be dead.
 
Also, Bioware decided that all Shepards would have three characters which each exemplified one of the pillars of Mass Effect combat:  soldier, tech, and biotic.
 
So we have three characters which are canonically alive by ME3 in everyone's playthroughs:
 
EDI (tech)
Liara (biotic)
and the new guy, James (soldier)


Perfect, and also:
Edi is Synthetic, Liara is a non-human organic, both are female (or at least look like one). Since Kaidan can die during ME3, it was necessary to have a mandatory 1) male 2) human squadmate, aka James.

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Good GOD were these characters written in the last 15 minutes before ME3 was printed to discs? I can't help but cringe and mute my audio whenever I hear them talk.

 

Besides maybe their introductory dialogue, which doesn't set up much. they are the definition of insipid throughout the entire campaign. I think random scientist who needs to be saved #53917 was more interesting that these 2.

 

I believe James was designed to make sure there was at least one character that was thicker than the player.


 

Diana Allers is a reporter, so being annoying is to be expected.


 


 


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Wrex could be dead.

 

Also, Bioware decided that all Shepards would have three characters which each exemplified one of the pillars of Mass Effect combat:  soldier, tech, and biotic.

 

So we have three characters which are canonically alive by ME3 in everyone's playthroughs:

 

EDI (tech)

Liara (biotic)

and the new guy, James (soldier)

 

Yeah. I know. I actually agree.

 

But honestly the most optional of all these would be the Combat/Soldier.



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I get the feeling Allers was last minute.. but not James.

 

They had another big Citadel quest idea with Emily Wong and Al-Jilani that got cut. I think they planned on these two being the big reporters just like the past. But maybe they added Allers after that couldn't be pulled off.

 

 

As for James.. I think he's just a product of them not able to actually write a cohesive Trilogy. They instead kept writing the games in a way where you could start at any point. So Vega was supposed to represent this introductory, noob point of view.


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I believe James was designed to make sure there was at least one character that was thicker than the player.

 

This.

 

James' knowledge of the galaxy is comparable to Shepard ME1, with a sprinkling of ME2 knowledge.

 

Which itself is limited compared to a player who pays any attention to dialogue and codex.

 

He had his life on Earth (aka 'Pre-Service History') and an incident on Fehl Prime (aka 'Psychological Profile', limited 'Eden Prime', limited 'Collector Experience'). Then he chills on Omega (limited 'Terminus' experince).

 

In terms of 'knowledge requirements to be a useful ME3 character', he's right on the line, and arguably below the line. A relative newbie, and so the main companion for new ME3 players to be satisfied with. Liara for ME1+ players and EDI for ME2+ players.

 

 

EDIT: While I don't think MEA will follow so much of this format, I do think it is very possible to get at least one companion that has more of a connection to the trilogy (even if MEA ends up much more separated from previous games than ME2 and ME3 were), and at least one companion that can be considered the 'newbie to the franchise' companion. The rest/most of the rest being more general.



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They had another big Citadel quest idea with Emily Wong and Al-Jilani that got cut. I think they planned on these two being the big reporters just like the past. But maybe they added Allers after that couldn't be pulled off.

 

Yes.  There was supposed to be a side quest during the Citadel Coup where Shepard would work with the two of them to get a signal out covering what Cerberus was doing (as opposed to Cerberus propaganda) .  You can actually hear Al-Jilani's requesting help at the communication tower during one leg of the mission



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Yes.  There was supposed to be a side quest during the Citadel Coup where Shepard would work with the two of them to get a signal out covering what Cerberus was doing (as opposed to Cerberus propaganda) .  You can actually hear Al-Jilani's requesting help at the communication tower during one leg of the mission

 

It was the guy from Terra Firma from what I heard.. Saracino.. working with the Hanar, who had planted a bomb or something in the Wards. Wong and Al-Jilani got Shepard to search for the bomb, while they reported.

 

Thane (or Kolyat if Thane was dead) and Kasumi were involved somehow... and they somewhat recycled the Hanar idea with Kasumi's little sidequest. But it was supposed to be much bigger.

 

 

It's a damn tragedy that we got....... Allers instead.  :mellow: :lol:


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I Ignored James my first play through, but from the second attempt he became my favorite male squaddie in the series.

Just um...make sure u tell him no nicknames. Loco is the most uncreative thing ever. Its Commander thank you very much.

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Allers kind of seems like the result of different people in the development team never being on the same page. I'm sure someone higher up got the idea to put a real life journalist to play the role of a video game journalist. Then writing duty was given to someone who didn't want it or had no idea in what direction to take the character; but was other wise told to integrate her into the rest of the crew. When the lines actually stared getting recorded I'm sure someone -- from the other wise seemingly professional voice acting direction -- spoke up about Chobit phoning it in, but by that point nobody who could make make the executive decision to can the character cared enough so in she went.

 

James kind of seems similar (his physique seems way too much like an appeal to the Gears of War crowd). Although in his case I think the writer did have an idea where to take the character and Freddie Prinze is an underestimated voice actor, so in his case it worked out a lot better.


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I adore James. He's a little beefy but I won't complain about that. Art appreciation ... or something  :whistle:

He's a good soldier, nice dude overall and he tries his best. Would I have preferred Wrex or Grunt over him? Probably, I have a soft spot for Krogan but as it is, I always bring Kaidan and James on my missions, sometimes Garrus (I love Garrus but there's only room for 1 sniper in my squad and that's me) 

 

Allers is a different story entirely ... 



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James is acceptable - nothing more, nothing less                       ------- Would have much preffered Grunt

 

Allers was a waste of time and resources                                   ------- Resources that should have been spent on making Miranda a squadmate


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Not sure if this was mentioned in the thread, but if the game wasn't made to bring in new people to ME, would James and Allers be in the game?



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James is actually rather insightful, easygoing, and amiable enough that most people actually were surprised at how he turned out. He's generally regarded as a decent addition to the series.

 

 

Yeah I quite like him as a character also I find usinjg him against the Brutes pretty gtood as well as he doe4s seem to draw there attntion which gets them away from me which I prefer sometimes especially in that last level in London when there's a lot of them. I don't aslways use him but he certainly seems to cover your back well from those things if you do as I managed to get through that last section blowing up the reaper virtually unchallenged last time I used him on it. I tended to use him in the krogan role as the tanker as that seemed like the best place for him. So when I needed a heavy hitter I bring him along if I'm not playing one myself.

 

As for Allers can't really say I like or dislike her really but I don't mind her. Although I do agree with the fact that bringing Emily Wong back for ME3 may have been a better option.



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Not sure if this was mentioned in the thread, but if the game wasn't made to bring in new people to ME, would James and Allers be in the game?

 

Hmm. I''l say James, no. Allers, yes. Allers seems more like an advirtisement than a way to ease-in new players.



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 Allers seems more like an advertisement than a way to ease-in new players.

 

I mean....

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really....?

 

Honestly, Bioware did the strangest things in this game like someone battling bipolarism. One moment they gave us a a choice of a female protagonist and they took a lot of effort creating her but absolutely neglect her existence in the first two games for years. They create awesome a lot of prominent female characters but they're back with giving increased cup size treatment for everyone like they have ample bosomy quota. One part want to stay focus on to storytelling, another part want to focus on fanservicing. Like... make up your mind!


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Honestly, Bioware did the strangest things in this game like someone battling bipolarism. One moment they gave us a a choice of a female protagonist and they took a lot of effort creating her but absolutely neglect her existence in the first two games for years. They create awesome a lot of prominent female characters but they're back with giving increased cup size treatment for everyone like they have ample bosomy quota. One part want to stay focus on to storytelling, another part want to focus on fanservicing. Like... make up your mind!

 

The one that really gets me is the new FemShep. They let the community vote on her new appearence and created something which neither looks like the voted upon model or even ****** sapien. Did nobody double check that?


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Since I only start playing Mass Effect around late 2014, I don't really know much about the pageant and femshep controversy and ending stuff. But it was appalling when you see the way they aggressively market Shepard-Vanderloo in everything Mass Effect-related and how absent FemShep was.

 

And I wonder why they even bother face scanning Chobot's face to create a very insignificant NPC while they did a very a shoddy job with their main female protagonists; default FemShep and Ashley's retexture, characters who have a lot more face time than Allers. I know there were hundreds of people working together for the IP but it was kinda obvious that someone really pull a lot of strings for her. I wonder if someone got laid because of it. 



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James is acceptable - nothing more, nothing less                       ------- Would have much preffered Grunt

I like James, but I would've preferred having an ME2 squadmate instead. Grunt would work
 

Allers was a waste of time and resources                                   ------- Resources that should have been spent on making Miranda a squadmate

I agree. It would've be great to have Miranda on the ship instead of Allers.


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