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James and Diana Allers - WHY do they EXIST?


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#76
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Stop trollin', Kaiser.

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Stop trollin', Kaiser.

They can't stop the signal, dream. Can't stop the signal.


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Stop trollin', Kaiser.

 

He only mentioned 3 characters he'd replace with Vega. Not 6. And not the whole ME2 crew. :D



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Eh, in the end I got the ones I really wanted out of the ME2 lot. I was fine with the rest doing their own thing or dying or whatever, though I'll always consider Miranda that one that should have had a bigger part, regardless of her multi-stateness.



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Eh, in the end I got the ones I really wanted out of the ME2 lot. I was fine with the rest doing their own thing or dying or whatever, though I'll always consider Miranda that one that should have had a bigger part, regardless of her multi-stateness.

 

I didn't. 

 

And anyone who is a little too satisfied is basically just saying, "I got mine. Sucks to be you."

 

It'd be better if fans looked out for each other..... but... yeah. Fat chance at that. :D


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I'd take James over roughly half of ME2's Dirty Dozen.

 

I wouldn't. Personally the ME3 squad was terribly limited and steroid boy with pea sized brain was rather worthless.



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I wouldn't. Personally the ME3 squad was terribly limited and steroid boy with pea sized brain was rather worthless.


He's smarter and more pensive than you think, if you pay attention, and don't hate a guy for staying in shape.

Far from worthless, and stabler than many from the Redundant Dozen.
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I wouldn't. Personally the ME3 squad was terribly limited and steroid boy with pea sized brain was rather worthless.

I dunno. I felt the group was more balanced this time around. In ME2, you had a lot of them, but I felt that some were a bit of chaff in the combat department. I always found myself shuffling between Miranda, Garrus, Zaeed and Jack, with Tali serving only as my geth fighter, which is unchanged in ME3, while some were basically never used once in any mission (Samara and Thane). And then, if you like having companion input in main story missions, there just weren't enough missions to really take advantage of the large number you recruited. I suppose that in fairness, the suicide mission itself makes up for a lot of this, but is unfortunately also the reason why companions are handled the way they are later on.

 

As for pea-sized brain, the irony is that Shepard can (and does) say dumber stuff than Vega.


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I thought James was the best human squadmate in the series. 

Of all the humans, James comes second after Miranda. I like most of his interactions with Shepard and with the other squadmates. 

James: Hey you want me to deal you in on the next one? I bet you’d be good at this
Javik: No
James: See! That, right there! Perfect Poker face!
Javik: What are you talking about?
James: You’re still doing it! 


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It looks like Jack is about to hit Miranda in the back of the head.


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It looks like Jack is about to hit Miranda in the back of the head.

 

Wouldn't you, if you were Jack?


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In terms of the characters themselves, I have absolutely no problems with James, and I actually really like him in ME3. In fact, I would probably rank James in my top 5 favorite squadmates with respect to character.

 

In combat however, James drops far down the list. The problem with James is the same problem I had with a lot of squadmates in ME2: other squadmates are more useful than he is in combat. In fact, I would probably rank James near the bottom with Grunt when it comes to combat. 

 

As for Allers, I have never had a problem with her. I agree with others in this thread, in that I would prefer Emily Wong, or prefer she wear something a little more suitable on a warship, and sensible enough for reporting so you could actually take her seriously. But unlike some squadmates, she is entirely optional, and even if you do take her, she stays in one spot and you can ignore her if you need to.



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Yeah ok I officially declare these forums Reaper indoctrinated and order an Exterminatus.

 

Nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.

 

*places hand on ears and goes "Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na Iiiii caaaan't heaaaaaar youuuuuu Harbinger!!!!!" *



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Yeah ok I officially declare these forums Reaper indoctrinated and order an Exterminatus.

 

Nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.

 

Ok, goodbye then :)



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In terms of the characters themselves, I have absolutely no problems with James, and I actually really like him in ME3. In fact, I would probably rank James in my top 5 favorite squadmates with respect to character.
 
In combat however, James drops far down the list. The problem with James is the same problem I had with a lot of squadmates in ME2: other squadmates are more useful than he is in combat. In fact, I would probably rank James near the bottom with Grunt when it comes to combat. 
 
As for Allers, I have never had a problem with her. I agree with others in this thread, in that I would prefer Emily Wong, or prefer she wear something a little more suitable on a warship, and sensible enough for reporting so you could actually take her seriously. But unlike some squadmates, she is entirely optional, and even if you do take her, she stays in one spot and you can ignore her if you need to.


In my experience, James is only as good as his weapon since he's geared more towards survivability than damage dealing like Ashley is. I gave him the N7 Typhoon and he was instantly better. With the CE version I equipped him with the Crusader and it was a wrap.

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I don't get the hate for James. He isn't in my top 5 or anything, but yeah, I'd put him ahead of a couple of the ME1 squad and 4 or 5 of the ME2 squad (not that this means I dislike those characters). He's a believable, pragmatic and relatable character, and provides a few laughs. I don't really bring him on missions all that often, both because he doesn't have a useful skillset and there are at least 3 other ME3 sqadmates that I prefer, but he isn't a bad character IMO. His perspectives compliment the rest of the squad well.

Even if people don't particularly care for him, I don't see how he is outright offensive to anyone. What happened to the ME2 squad because of the SM's design wasn't James's fault.

Allers though, yeah, waste of resources but I don't "hate" her. Al-Jilani is already in the game, just give her the same (optional) role. Her potential for conflict with the PC over her journalistic style could have potentially made the interviews more interesting as well.



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In my experience, James is only as good as his weapon since he's geared more towards survivability than damage dealing like Ashley is. I gave him the N7 Typhoon and he was instantly better. With the CE version I equipped him with the Crusader and it was a wrap.

 

I like the Crusader, but it keeps squadmates at a distance. It's almost like a sniper rifle. In which case, it doesn't matter how much health James has or not. Might as well use Garrus or Ash, with sniper rifles. It's a safe choice for Tali or an Armax Jack though...you don't want them getting hit in the first place.

 

James just fills a niche like the Krogan Soldier (Grunt). With one major downside -- he's not a Krogan soldier.



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I like the Crusader, but it keeps squadmates at a distance. It's almost like a sniper rifle. In which case, it doesn't matter how much health James has or not. It's a safe choice for Tali or an Armax Jack though...you don't want them getting hit in the first place.

Tali's actually pretty tanky as long as there are shielded/barrier enemies around due to a fast cooldown energy drain that can add 40% DR, which is the same as provided by James's Fortification. She has a bit less max shields than James, but can recharge them almost at will against Geth, CAT6 and Cerberus.

James's frags are good, but once he is out of them he really doesn't have much to offer because Carnage is so slow. Garrus and Ash both do more AR damage and have better powers. Kaidan also has an AR and a more versatile power set with faster cooldowns. Javik also has an AR, though he is more dependent on having another biotic in the squad. You could use James as a close range aggro dump, but Tali also has a shotgun, more CC, comparable survivablity and very fast recharge on her powers. He doesn't really do anything best.

If I bring him anywhere, it's for the dialouge.


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I dunno. I felt the group was more balanced this time around. In ME2, you had a lot of them, but I felt that some were a bit of chaff in the combat department. I always found myself shuffling between Miranda, Garrus, Zaeed and Jack, with Tali serving only as my geth fighter, which is unchanged in ME3, while some were basically never used once in any mission (Samara and Thane). And then, if you like having companion input in main story missions, there just weren't enough missions to really take advantage of the large number you recruited. I suppose that in fairness, the suicide mission itself makes up for a lot of this, but is unfortunately also the reason why companions are handled the way they are later on.

 

As for pea-sized brain, the irony is that Shepard can (and does) say dumber stuff than Vega.

 

Don't agree regarding balance, ME2's character diversity was something i loved

 

I can't really argue with second part given shep can say things like 'This isn't about strategy or tactics'.



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I don't get the hate for James. He isn't in my top 5 or anything, but yeah, I'd put him ahead of a couple of the ME1 squad and 4 or 5 of the ME2 squad (not that this means I dislike those characters). He's a believable, pragmatic and relatable character, and provides a few laughs. I don't really bring him on missions all that often, both because he doesn't have a useful skillset and there are at least 3 other ME3 sqadmates that I prefer, but he isn't a bad character IMO. His perspectives compliment the rest of the squad well.

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He took the Krogan niche, especially Grunt who has absolutely no reason for not being on board, and I think that's why a lot of players (including me) don't like him. Nothing to do with his personnality. IMO the best human squademate. I'd take him any day over Ashley, Kaidan, Jacob, or even Miranda.

 

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He took the Krogan niche, especially Grunt who has absolutely no reason for not being on board, and I think that's why a lot of players (including me) don't like him. Nothing to do with his personnality. IMO the best human squademate. I'd take him any day over Ashley, Kaidan, Jacob, or even Miranda.

 

To me he's below Jacob. Well below non romanced Jacob, which is a low place to be. Far far away from being the best human squaddie.

He's a character i don't like, part of a reduced and less diverse squad, with none of the ME2 introduced Squaddies present. Shep's also railroaded into a friendly starting relationship with the muppet which gets on my nerves. So yeah his presence gets my hackles up.



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I didn't. 

 

And anyone who is a little too satisfied is basically just saying, "I got mine. Sucks to be you."

 

It'd be better if fans looked out for each other..... but... yeah. Fat chance at that. :D

Believe me, I'm well acquainted with the attitude.

 

But the problem with the ME2 crew is that any one of them could be dead, which limits how much content the writers were willing to devote to them (see the Ash/Kaidan content of ME3, and they were squadmates)

 

And since they decided we needed three "always alive" squadmates going in to ME3 (a biotic, a tech specialist, and a soldier) That means drawing from people who can't be dead.  Such as a newcomer...



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Dang... Looking through this thread made me realise that, while ranking my companions in another post, well... I kind of, sort of, completely forgot to add Vega in the list. Funny thing is, I don't hate him as a character. In fact, in many ways, I prefer him over Ashley. Anyway, I suppose my point is that he fulfils his role to offer exposition to new players in the franchise and/or remind people of their choices in the previous games, but other than that... I guess he wasn't that memorable? (That, or I didn't play ME3 enough times. XD)

Diana Allers... yeah, I have to agree. Though she doesn't annoy me, per se, her part could have been filled by someone else just as easily.



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To me he's below Jacob. Well below non romanced Jacob, which is a low place to be. Far far away from being the best human squaddie.

He's a character i don't like, part of a reduced and less diverse squad, with none of the ME2 introduced Squaddies present. Shep's also railroaded into a friendly starting relationship with the muppet which gets on my nerves. So yeah his presence gets my hackles up.

Anyone who romanced Jacob deserves no pity and got rightly retributed in ME3. Jacob is the most static character storywise. The boredom reincarnated. Absolutely no growth. From average Joe-the-mercenary to average Joe-the-mercenary. The best he could do was to have a kid. 

 

While it's true that Shep got a little railroaded in his / her relationship with James, which is a bad habit ME3 took in general, the latter can't be imo compared to Jacob. Passed my natural aversion to him because of biased reasons, I learned to appreciate him and still consider him as one of the most well rounded, "natural" characters. 



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But the problem with the ME2 crew is that any one of them could be dead, which limits how much content the writers were willing to devote to them (see the Ash/Kaidan content of ME3, and they were squadmates)

 

That's why they made ME3 a standalone game. So that Garrus and Tali can be squadmates.  New people playing ME3 without playing the other two wouldn't know those two can be dead.  They made them squadmates because they were in ME1. They get the free pass. Fortunately they don't get the free pass in my game. They're dead in most of my ME3 playthroughs.