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James and Diana Allers - WHY do they EXIST?


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#101
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That's why they made ME3 a standalone game. So that Garrus and Tali can be squadmates.  New people playing ME3 without playing the other two wouldn't know those two can be dead.  They made them squadmates because they were in ME1. They get the free pass. Fortunately they don't get the free pass in my game. They're dead in most of my ME3 playthroughs.

Yeah and Tali's content feels about the same as Ash/Kaidan's and she's on the ship an even shorter period of time.

 

But even if you're playing a game where SHep was death incarnate, getting everyone close to him/her killed, you still have three squadmates, who cannot be dead as of the start of ME3:  Liara, EDI, and James.



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I like the Crusader, but it keeps squadmates at a distance. It's almost like a sniper rifle. In which case, it doesn't matter how much health James has or not. Might as well use Garrus or Ash, with sniper rifles. It's a safe choice for Tali or an Armax Jack though...you don't want them getting hit in the first place.

 

James just fills a niche like the Krogan Soldier (Grunt). With one major downside -- he's not a Krogan soldier.

 

Eh, I find that distance isn't really a big thing with ME3, or ME2 for that matter when comparing to the vast open spaces of ME1. Most firefights occur in closer quarters, so unless you're constantly telling squad members to stay back, they're usually within a few arm lengths of a lot of enemies. I'll typically use the Crusader for any squad member that can wield a shotgun (with the exception of the Claymore for Wrex in the Citadel DLC), though I will occasionally equip Vega with the Piranha. I've never had James do a lot of melee so I don't really worry about the "human Krogan" syndrome he's often accused of, and I can just attribute his high health to his bulky high tech armor.

 

Like every companion I've taken into battle, it's usually about the character more than their combat prowess though, and I enjoy his input on a lot of missions. If it wasn't for Javik and I guess Garrus, James would always be on Tuchanka, because I love when he freaks out when you're getting stomped around by the destroyer. James and Garrus are my rock solid N7 mission team, especially since Ashley doesn't get to even be on the ship until the game's midway point.


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Eh, I find that distance isn't really a big thing with ME3, or ME2 for that matter when comparing to the vast open spaces of ME1.


I can think of some exceptions, like Grunt's RM. That one sticks out in my mind because most of my Sheps don't have a sniper rifle yet.

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I think they suffered content cuts that they became filler characters. (actually most new human characters on Normandy are just fillers)

 

Allers could have been wonderful if you actually get to see her interviews at Citadel (like, you get to see clips of the Normandy crew's interviews or reruns of Shepard's interviews or clips of the situation on earth or clips of VS's Spectre ceremony). Instead, we get a nondescript guy and a woman in the background. I like listening to the ANN news but I think that's an oversight on Bioware's part. She could have been more interactive if they actually let her be.

 

As for James, the comics and the movie fills in much of his back story. If you play the game alone, he does feel unfinished and bland. Its sucks that they didn't make him romanceable since romance content does add a lot of depth and characterizations. I think he's pretty terrific and interesting as a bisexual option (even better than Kaidan's) and there's continuity to this as he has a big crush on Shepard for years (Paragon Lost).

 

Honestly, I like to think that he's a substitute-Ashley. Nobody really explain how she get from Operations Chief to Lieutenant Commander in more/less than a year but I think ME3 did better fixing this rank thingy with James. I don't think we're made aware that Lieutenant James Vega was is in fact Lieutenant Commander Vega (Paragon Lost). But he turned down his promotion because he didn't feel like he deserved it after Fehl Prime and he suffered some period of existential crisis (ME: Conviction). It was Anderson who offered him the job to guard Shepard on earth and I do think it was him who recommended James for the ICT program. For all intent and purposes, his story in ME3 is really about his personal journey of self-discovery. Even at the end, he was seen being in command over a group of soldier so I'm not that far off in this.


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I can't really argue with second part given shep can say things like 'This isn't about strategy or tactics'.


Gonna have to go back a lot further than that to find stupid things Shepard's said.

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Eh, I find that distance isn't really a big thing with ME3, or ME2 for that matter when comparing to the vast open spaces of ME1. Most firefights occur in closer quarters, so unless you're constantly telling squad members to stay back, they're usually within a few arm lengths of a lot of enemies. I'll typically use the Crusader for any squad member that can wield a shotgun (with the exception of the Claymore for Wrex in the Citadel DLC), though I will occasionally equip Vega with the Piranha. I've never had James do a lot of melee so I don't really worry about the "human Krogan" syndrome he's often accused of, and I can just attribute his high health to his bulky high tech armor.

 

Like every companion I've taken into battle, it's usually about the character more than their combat prowess though, and I enjoy his input on a lot of missions. If it wasn't for Javik and I guess Garrus, James would always be on Tuchanka, because I love when he freaks out when you're getting stomped around by the destroyer. James and Garrus are my rock solid N7 mission team, especially since Ashley doesn't get to even be on the ship until the game's midway point.

 

It's not necessarily melee I'm advocating. Just all close quarters in general. That's his strength.. Almost every shotgun is suitable for it. The crusader is barely a shotgun... it fires slugs and has no spread.. and squadmates keep their distance.

 

If you think the character alone is that great, fine. That's why I'm here shaking my head though. ;) I like him OK... it's just nothing special.



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Gonna have to go back a lot further than that to find stupid things Shepard's said.

Yes Commander dumba** does say some stupid things. I believe the worst is asking Thane, "How bad is it?" after he got stabbed



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Yes Commander dumba** does say some stupid things. I believe the worst is asking Thane, "How bad is it?" after he got stabbed

 

I don't know. That's not more stupid than Thane running into the sword in the first place.

 

His choreographer was much more imaginative in ME2.



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I don't know. That's not more stupid than Thane running into the sword in the first place.

 

His choregrapher was much more imaginative in ME2.

That whole scene was stupid from the beginning. 

 

If I was to do the scene my way, the councilor would be killed every time and Leng would get away before Shepard landed on the floor after jumping out the window letting Kirrahe and Thane live. The rest of the mission would be the same.



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I think Bioware had the right idea of killing Thane during the coup, but how he ended up mortally wounded could have been better executed. Since he was getting killed off in all playthroughs he probably should have gotten more LI content as well, and some acknowledgement of his death by squadmates.

 

The hospital scene however was excellent. I thought the entire death scene at Huerta Memorial was one of the best scenes in the series, and the best death scene for any squadmate.


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I think Bioware had the right idea of killing Thane during the coup, but how he ended up mortally wounded could have been better executed. Since he was getting killed off in all playthroughs he probably should have gotten more LI content as well, and some acknowledgement of his death by squadmates.

 

The hospital scene however was excellent. I thought the entire death scene at Huerta Memorial was one of the best scenes in the series, and the best death scene for any squadmate.

 

I agree. I don't mind the scene itself. Just how it plays out.

 

 

My favorite death scene is actually Garrus, in the suicide mission. It's so simple and appropriate. "Snipe one for me....."


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Yes Commander dumba** does say some stupid things. I believe the worst is asking Thane, "How bad is it?" after he got stabbed


Surely the all-time worst is asking if asari can reproduce with each other.

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Surely the all-time worst is asking if asari can reproduce with each other.

I just thank Kalahira that Shepard doesn't ask Liara that automatically. Even the paraphrase is bad enough to stay away.


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Surely the all-time worst is asking if asari can reproduce with each other.

IDK comparing a skirmish where like 100 people died and the combatants than became allies, to a galactic war that results in billons of deaths and a sterility plauge resulting in the potential extinction for the losing side might be even dumber.

There are also also the extremely well informed and poignant options of "you deserved it" or "haha you deserved it" Shepard can express in relation to Tali's narrative of the quarian/geth conflict.

Then there's every single cheesy one liner ever in ME2. "A bullet to the head solves everything" is really advice to live by.


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Then there's every single cheesy one liner ever in ME2. "A bullet to the head solves everything" is really advice to live by.

 

I don't know. That's pretty wise, as far as the Terminus goes.


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I don't know. That's pretty wise, as far as the Terminus goes.

Or an electrified tool to the back, as Cathka got to experience first-hand.



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IDK comparing a skirmish where like 100 people died and the combatants than became allies, to a galactic war that results in billons of deaths and a sterility plauge resulting in the potential extinction for the losing side might be even dumber.

 

I think Shepard expressing surprise that the Asari can mate with their own species has to take the cake for dumbest line uttered in the entire series, by any character. Having said that, it is a landmine that can be avoided. Shepard doesn't have to be dumb enough to say it. Because of that I'd rank the genophage / First Contact War comparison as being worse, because as far as I can remember you can't avoid saying it beyond ignoring Wrex.


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I think Shepard expressing surprise that the Asari can mate with their own species has to take the cake for dumbest line uttered in the entire series, by any character. Having said that, it is a landmine that can be avoided. Shepard doesn't have to be dumb enough to say it. Because of that I'd rank the genophage / First Contact War comparison as being worse, because as far as I can remember you can't avoid saying it beyond ignoring Wrex.

 

It's especially annoying because at that instance, we suffer ME1's notorious autodialogue disguised as a dialogue wheel.


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I think Shepard expressing surprise that the Asari can mate with their own species has to take the cake for dumbest line uttered in the entire series, by any character. Having said that, it is a landmine that can be avoided. Shepard doesn't have to be dumb enough to say it. Because of that I'd rank the genophage / First Contact War comparison as being worse, because as far as I can remember you can't avoid saying it beyond ignoring Wrex.

nope. It's one of those instances in ME1 where all 3 options result in the same "I heard about that, they tried to do the same to us" garbage.

I don't know. That's pretty wise, as far as the Terminus goes.

And it's vindicated because Jack still becomes a well adjusted teacher of biotic students in ME3 even if you encourage her to become a vicious murderer.

wat?


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And it's vindicated because Jack still becomes a well adjusted teacher of biotic students in ME3 even if you encourage her to become a vicious murderer.

wat?


I'm actually really glad that she didn't let that dose of stupidity keep her from essentially becoming a teacher at Mass Effect's version of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters.
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And people hate him?


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I'm actually really glad that she didn't let that dose of stupidity keep her from essentially becoming a teacher at Mass Effect's version of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters.

as am I. That was an example of "Renegade" being more like "Dark Side". It's not even something like Falere, there's literally no practical reason to encourage Jack to do that and egg her on. It's cartoonish, moustache twirling evil that, while funny, really has no place.



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And people hate him?

XD

and yet he gets the gun offline just as fast as Tali, EDI or Garrus, the latter of whom spends most of his time doing nothing but calibrating a goddamn gun.

Those sections would have been a great oppourtunity to drop a couple more Geth Primes on your head if you picked the wrong person for the job.



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as am I. That was an example of "Renegade" being more like "Dark Side". It's not even something like Falere, there's literally no practical reason to encourage Jack to do that and egg her on. It's cartoonish, moustache twirling evil that, while funny, really has no place.

 

It's not good for her specifically. But killing Aresh is no big deal in and of itself. Even if you encourage her, you're only encouraging her to punish Aresh, who would reopen Pragia and torture kids. No big loss for the galaxy there. That's not "dark" to me at all. He's kind of like a child abuse victim, who grows up and starts doing it himself. If I could get away with it, I'd want to kill people like this too. 

 

The only thing that sucks is they make Shepard act stupid, in how he encourages her. Like you said, it's cartoonish. 


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nope. It's one of those instances in ME1 where all 3 options result in the same "I heard about that, they tried to do the same to us" garbage.

I forget the specific wording of the line but I think the idea to be expressed was "Oh you fought the turians? We did too". Then Wrex gets oversensitive. Of course the worse the wording is, the less this idea flies.
 

Jack still becomes a well adjusted teacher

wat?

Fixed.