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[Quarian Master Race]

I forget the specific wording of the line but I think the idea to be expressed was "Oh you fought the turians? We did too". Then Wrex gets oversensitive. Of course the worse the wording is, the less this idea flies.
 

Fixed.

IIRC Wrex alluded (perhaps inaccurately) to the turians trying to wipe out his entire race, to which Shepard responds with the comparsion and Wrex retorts with the genophage. Either way, it's Shep claiming that the turians tried to wipe out humanity by killing a couple hundred of them to keep them from using a potentially dangerous dormant mass relay.

As for Jack's transformation, yeah. 6 months is an absurdly short amount of time for something like that to happen, but I like the overall concept of it and try not to get too caught up in the timescales with this series. It is hardly more ridiculous than Ashley's promotion to LC, Tali the 24 year old Admiral or especially Liara becoming the SB. Besides, I'm not going to complain about an ME2 character developing positively in any way, when we have some of them pointlessly rehashing their loyalty conflicts, getting offed for no reason, developing multiple personalities, becoming a racial stereotypes, or fantasizing about their dead boyfriend.

[themikefest]

 

 The apocalypse is coming and they're the two guys besides Shep who give a **** about preparing for it.

Too bad they didn't prepare during the 2 years Shepard was dead. And of course Anderson says it up to Shepard to stop the reapers. He never cared. All he did was sit around for 2 years taking the shape of his chair

[Quarian Master Race]

I'll be the first to say 6 months is too short.

 

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Oh I agree with you, and like where they took the character between the two games. The fact that it happens in 6 months is really the only hangup, but the logistics of it aren't unorthodox by the standards of a universe where anthropology students can become the mastermind of their very own interplanetary criminal and intelligence organizations within a couple of years. I was actually going to elucidate why I thought that Jack's was less ridiculous than the other characters mentioned precisely with a possible Sanders/Anderson/Hackett link, but didn't want to get too long winded.

[Valmar]

James is there for the new player who know nothing about Mass Effect. Since ME3 is the place the start the trilogy. I'm pretty sure Bioware even said this themselves at one point. As a character I don't actually have anything against him. I just hate that he's there at all given that I didn't feel the trilogy was the appropriate time to be introducing an entirely new squadmate - especially at the expense of 12+ others we had on the roster that weren't brought back as squadies.

 

Though his bits of spanish always ignored me as a lore-nerd. I mean... some of the words he uses have literal translations to english. Loco means crazy. Shouldn't the in-universe translators be, you know, translating that? I mean I understand some alien words not being translated because not everything has a good translation word to replace it but "loco" does. Infact every spanish word I remember him saying has an English translation that wasn't used.

 

As for Allers, well... I don't know. I hear she's part of some internet videogame show of some sort. I don't know who she is, I don't care who she is. I hated her. Why? Her voice annoys me, her character annoys me, her behavior annoys me, the "oh that flirting isn't flirting" annoys me, the overall VO quality annoys me. The concept of having a news reporter on the ship though isn't really that bad, imo. It had potential. Had they used a character that was already established in the series that has already had interactions with Shepard like, say, Emily or even the Falcon-Punch Reporter with the crazy name... I could go with that.

 

Except they didn't. Just like with James they decided that instead of using one of the pre-existing characters that have been established in the story already, that already have a connection to Shepard and who were already well-suited for the role.... they decided to instead to make completely new characters to introduce to us to fill those shoes. ME2 had a huge squad roster yet instead of one of them we get James. ME1-2 had established reporters that the player could interact with, who even had their own little mini quests... yet lets make an entirely new one and have her be some popular internet figure for... reasons.

 

Perhaps I wouldn't be so harsh on James and Allers, however, if their roles felt unique and new. Instead I just feel like the old established characters got ignored for the sake of introducing two unnecessary characters into the game to cater to newcomers of the series. At least in James' case, I don't really know what Allers is catering too.

[von uber]

At least in James' case, I don't really know what Allers is catering too.

 

Well given the fact they took the effort to model her nippls poking through her skin tight low cut dress..

[Vazgen]

Well given the fact they took the effort to model her nippls poking through her skin tight low cut dress..

I think it's a general thing with ME3 body models. Jack's nipples are from the same department IMO. The outfit is hideous though. 

[Han Shot First]

I liked all of the new crew members in Mass Effect 3, to be honest. And I didn't expect to like any of them. Prior to release I thought bringing back a Prothean was a bad idea, and that Vega, Cortez, and Traynor were just taking up space that could be better filled by previously established characters.

 

The funny thing is that I thought an embedded reporter aboard the Normandy could be interesting. 

 

After ME3 I wouldn't trade Javik, Cortez, Traynor or Vega for any of the ME2 cast, and I wish Allers had fallen into a black hole. 

[Han Shot First]

I wouldn't trade Traynor. Cortez is cool, but he's covering the same territory storywise. They're kind of connections to ME2's colonial survivors. I'd rather have an actual ME2 squadmate.

 

One thing I hope the next game carries over is a shuttle pilot that is an actual character. That is, assuming the shuttle is even used at all. They might just use the new Mako every time.

[AlanC9]

I wouldn't trade Traynor. Cortez is cool, but he's covering the same territory storywise. They're kind of connections to ME2's colonial survivors. I'd rather have an actual ME2 squadmate. The people who fought for Traynor and Cortez.

Hmm..... would Zaeed work as a gay LI?

[Paulomedi]

I'd take James over roughly half of ME2's Dirty Dozen.

Which ones?

[CrutchCricket]

IIRC Wrex alluded (perhaps inaccurately) to the turians trying to wipe out his entire race, to which Shepard responds with the comparsion and Wrex retorts with the genophage. Either way, it's Shep claiming that the turians tried to wipe out humanity by killing a couple hundred of them to keep them from using a potentially dangerous dormant mass relay.

As for Jack's transformation, yeah. 6 months is an absurdly short amount of time for something like that to happen, but I like the overall concept of it and try not to get too caught up in the timescales with this series. It is hardly more ridiculous than Ashley's promotion to LC, Tali the 24 year old Admiral or especially Liara becoming the SB. Besides, I'm not going to complain about an ME2 character developing positively in any way, when we have some of them pointlessly rehashing their loyalty conflicts, getting offed for no reason, developing multiple personalities, becoming a racial stereotypes, or fantasizing about their dead boyfriend.

It's not like similarities are impossible to see. First off Wrex is being overly reactionary given what the genophage actually does. Secondly it's all about control/submission. If the Council hadn't intervened and the war had kept going the turians would've done all they could to make us bend. And knowing humans, we wouldn't have bent. Which means either we would've won, or we'd have ended up like the krogan, or worse. So from that point of view, the turians did act the same with us as they did with the krogan. With us it just didn't get that far.

 

As for Jack, it's not the timeline that bothers me. It's the official standing.She's a highly unstable, near psychotic convict with superpowers (on paper anyway). And the Alliance is cool with that for some reason. Look at convicts' track record in gaining employment IRL and tell me how many of them are teachers. The Wolverine comparison doesn't fly. It might if it was a private off the books institution like Xavier's. But Grissom is an official Alliance establishment with very valuable, and in some cases very "special" charges. No way in hell is she getting hired there, even to mop the floors. Her character growth could've been done with her protecting and teaching biotic street kids and you could've had the same development with none of the disbelief.

[Han Shot First]

I think Jack's transition might have worked better if her only transgressions were linked to piracy. Her going straight routine than mirrors that some real world people. Henry Morgan for example ended up as Lt. Governor of Jamaica after retiring from piratical plundering. 

 

The problem I think is that she's described as a psychopath in Mass Effect 2. 

[themikefest]

I would've had a side mission that Shepard gets an email learning that Cerberus is after some high level object that is crucial. Shepard is to find out what it is. It turns out that Cerberus is chasing Jack, Shepard helps her and she becomes a war asset. If the mission isn't completed by the time the Citadel coup takes place, she becomes a phantom and killed on Chronos

 

Grissom can be the same as is in the game except without Jack.

[themikefest]

She's in Grissom, because they wanted to give her some place of importance in overall mythology/themes.

You want to give her some importance. Put her on the Normandy as a squadmate and send Liara to Hackett. 

[CrutchCricket]

It's the end of the world. Like a literal apocalypse. If you're worried about criminals (ones who mostly killed Cerberus and went on various revenge streaks for killing her friends), then you're priorities are whack. Secondly, if she happens to be the most powerful human biotic alive, and just helped Shepard stop the Collectors, AND you don't use her in a program designed to promote human "ascension"... then you're an idiot.

 

And by "you", I mean if you were in Hackett's shoes. The guy who pats you on the back for recruiting Aria T'Loak.

 

She's already changing during me2 anyways. Like her last words if she dies in the SM: "Heh...... I wasn't supposed to care."

Oh I'm sorry was that her second day on the job? No? Then your "apocalypse" talk is moot.

 

There is nothing even remotely believable about Jack being hired at Grissom. Like I said, give her a group of biotic strays and do the exact same thing, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

I mean for ****'s sake, Shepard the Space Jesus is already getting mistrustful looks in ME2 for only hanging out with Cerberus. But a Cerberus failed experiment psycho convict is probably safe around our kids...