The Star Child didn't come out of no where.
If you noticed, her post was made before Leviathan was released
This woman clearly didn't follow the story.
Too bad she hasn't been on the forum in a long time for her to reply to your post
If your EMS is low enough, stand there for a minute, and wait for a game over message.
Really? Why wouldn't it appear for high ems as well?
It tried Synthesis in the past. But failed because it can't be 'forced" Although with Shepard here now, I guess it can be forced.
Yes, but before creating the Reapers it did collect data and showed it was willing to approach and consider different ideas until it found a solution. It even says in the ending "but our efforts always ended in conflict, so a new solution was required". That sounds to me as if it has tried out several solutions and none of them worked. So it thinks the Reapers are the best solution. I dislike its solution, too, but the Catalyst's assumption it's the best solution for itself is valid. Also, it acknowledges that its solution won't work anymore in the end, so it is open to a new solution.
And the part "It gives you "choices " on its terms" is not really right, Control and Destroy could become choices because of the Crucible. And since the Catalyst was changed by the Crucible, it presents the choices, but it's not coming from the Catalyst directly.
The only choice it offers in its own terms is probably Synthesis, because the energy coming from the Crucible + Shepard can finally achieve it.
Fact is, if the Crucible would not have docked, none of the choices would have been possible if Shepard still reached the Catalyst.
Yep, and a Shepard who considers Synthesis as the best solution will go for it, the rest will settle for something else.
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If you noticed, her post was made before Leviathan was released
You didn't need Leviathan to understand the meaning behind the Star child scene.
Didn't someone say Mass Effect uses implicit writing for the most part? Leviathan makes everything explicit and gives you all the details.
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You didn't need Leviathan to understand the meaning behind the Star child scene.
Didn't someone say Mass Effect uses implicit writing for the most part? Leviathan makes everything explicit and gives you all the details.
You're right. Implicit and subtext info is just everywhere...I notice this more and more as time goes by. Not just with the synthetic issue. Seems like with many themes.
You didn't need Leviathan to understand the meaning behind the Star child scene.
Didn't someone say Mass Effect uses implicit writing for the most part? Leviathan makes everything explicit and gives you all the details.
Without Leviathan there was no warning about what the catalyst was. It appears out of nowhere in the last few minutes of the game
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Without Leviathan there was no warning about what the catalyst was. It appears out of nowhere in the last few minutes of the game
The Catalyst itself was kind of a twist, but the choices it presents are throughout the series.
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Without Leviathan there was no warning about what the catalyst was. It appears out of nowhere in the last few minutes of the game
There were subtle hints on Thessia that the Reapers were servants of the cycle, not its master. It did not come out of nowhere in the last few minutes. Thessia happens well before the ending.
Yes, but before creating the Reapers it did collect data and showed it was willing to approach and consider different ideas until it found a solution. It even says in the ending "but our efforts always ended in conflict, so a new solution was required". That sounds to me as if it has tried out several solutions and none of them worked. So it thinks the Reapers are the best solution. I dislike its solution, too, but the Catalyst's assumption it's the best solution for itself is valid. Also, it acknowledges that its solution won't work anymore in the end, so it is open to a new solution.
And the part "It gives you "choices " on its terms" is not really right, Control and Destroy could become choices because of the Crucible. And since the Catalyst was changed by the Crucible, it presents the choices, but it's not coming from the Catalyst directly.
The only choice it offers in its own terms is probably Synthesis, because the energy coming from the Crucible + Shepard can finally achieve it.
Fact is, if the Crucible would not have docked, none of the choices would have been possible if Shepard still reached the Catalyst.
Yep, and a Shepard who considers Synthesis as the best solution will go for it, the rest will settle for something else.
We don't know what it tried. We don't know for how long, or what consitutes "failure" I can point to EDI and the geth and say "look, peaceful coexistence" What can the Catalyst point to besides Arguments from Authority"?
And when it says "My solution will no longer work" it's still harvesting as it speaks. You can see it going on outside! What. The. Frak. It's even still trying to destroy the Crucible, even as it tells you to use it! Get this thing s dictionary and show it the page for "parlay"
the Crucible itself is "little more than a power source" meaning the Citadel itself must manipulate how the energy is used. Why is it not offering other possibilities? Given what these three settings can do, the possibilities are limitless what it can do!
Oh, and the Crucible docked before Shepard arrived. If the Catalyst had simply left Shepard napping on the floor, the harvest could have continued as well.
There were subtle hints on Thessia that the Reapers were servants of the cycle, not its master. It did not come out of nowhere in the last few minutes. Thessia happens well before the ending.
Actually, Vendetta said that the cycles were "part of a larger pattern" suggesting the Reapers were not the biggest fish
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the possibilities are limitless what it can do!
The possibilities might be limitless in theory, but it's only as good as it's constructed.
There were subtle hints on Thessia that the Reapers were servants of the cycle, not its master.
True.The only hint was what Vendetta said
"I understand that players may select different endings. Please take a look at Dragon Age: Origins to see how it was handled well. You can go for self-sacrifice, you can sacrifice another -- Alistair or Loghain, you can take the deal with Morrigan. Happy endings, sad endings, ethically challenged endings, but you can craft an ending appropriate to your vision of your warden. None of that was evident in the ending of Mass Effect 3, and they failed to live up to the promise they made from the first game.
Also, you can't bring your ultimate villain onstage in the final ten pages of a book or ten minutes of a movie, or ten minutes of a game. You have to play fair with your reader/viewer/player and hint at and suggest the real villain and the ultimate solution from the beginning."
You can do the exact same with all choices presented by the end of ME3, ME3 is even more open to craft your personal ending.
And is she honestly suggesting the Catalyst is a villain?
The possibilities might be limitless in theory, but it's only as good as it's constructed.
It can do three very different things. Imagine what a little tweaking could do.
Hell, put some insulation on those control rods, get a DNA swab for synthesis, and tone down the output of Destroy (and add a blast shield to duck behind)
We don't know what it tried. We don't know for how long, or what consitutes "failure" I can point to EDI and the geth and say "look, peaceful coexistence" What can the Catalyst point to besides Arguments from Authority"?
And when it says "My solution will no longer work" it's still harvesting as it speaks. You can see it going on outside! What. The. Frak. It's even still trying to destroy the Crucible, even as it tells you to use it! Get this thing s dictionary and show it the page for "parlay"
the Crucible itself is "little more than a power source" meaning the Citadel itself must manipulate how the energy is used. Why is it not offering other possibilities? Given what these three settings can do, the possibilities are limitless what it can do!
Oh, and the Crucible docked before Shepard arrived. If the Catalyst had simply left Shepard napping on the floor, the harvest could have continued as well.
You can't point to EDI and the geth because their peacefulness is only possible due to Reaper technology. If the Reapers never existed, there would've been no EDI and the geth would've been wiped out.
"Won't work anymore" =/= "It is not a solution". There is no other solution before Shepard makes a choice.
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It can do three very different things. Imagine what a little tweaking could do.
Hell, put some insulation on those control rods, get a DNA swab for synthesis, and tone down the output of Destroy (and add a blast shield to duck behind)
I understand. You could probably tweak Destroy to be even more focused.
But we're SOL. There's no time.
You could save Ash and Kaidan both under the right circumstances... but you're outta luck there too.
I understand. You could probably tweak Destroy to be even more focused.
But we're SOL. There's no time.
Crucible is damaged in all endings. I guess that screws with targeting.
You can't point to EDI and the geth because their peacefulness is only possible due to Reaper technology. If the Reapers never existed, there would've been no EDI and the geth would've been wiped out.
"Won't work anymore" =/= "It is not a solution". There is no other solution before Shepard makes a choice.
EDI predated the installation of Reaper technology. She was only upgraded with it.
The geth were saved by Shepard's awesome silver/red/blue tongue (unless you can't make peace in which case yeah they're saved by Reaper tech).
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"Won't work anymore" =/= "It is not a solution". There is no other solution before Shepard makes a choice.
I interpret "won't work anymore" as not being a solution. A solution, by it's very definition, "works"
I understand. You could probably tweak Destroy to be even more focused.
But we're SOL. There's no time.
There's only no time because the Catalyst IS KILLING YOUR GUYS WHILE IT"S PARLAYING! 
EDI predated the installation of Reaper technology. She was only upgraded with it.
The geth were saved by Shepard's awesome silver/red/blue tongue (unless you can't make peace in which case yeah they're saved by Reaper tech).
EDI was created using Sovereign hardware. Before that there was Rogue VI on Luna (keyword VI) that wiped out the Alliance personnel.
The geth were saved when Reapers upgraded them allowing them to fight the Quarians. The fight that Shepard resolves with the power of awesome.
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There's only no time because the Catalyst IS KILLING YOUR GUYS WHILE IT"S PARLAYING!
I understand the frustration.
I still think Refuse is silly though. 
EDI was created using Sovereign hardware. Before that there was Rogue VI on Luna (keyword VI) that wiped out the Alliance personnel.
The geth were saved when Reapers upgraded them allowing them to fight the Quarians. The fight that Shepard resolves with the power of awesome.
The VI had made the jump to AI, unknown to the Alliance.
The final message it sends at the end of the mission is "Help" in binary.
The geth were made into Reaper thralls with Reaper tech. Does not remove the fact that peace can be achieved without it.
I understand the frustration.
I still think Refuse is silly though.
No sillier than the other endings. Just more trollish
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No sillier than the other endings. Just more trollish
Not so silly if you completely roleplay it from scratch.
Very silly when knowing the consequences. This stand for righteousness means nothing when you know how many suffer for it.
Might as well not play the game at all and die in the Suicide mission. People actually have a better chance living without this Shepard around. 
Might as well not play the game at all and die in the Suicide mission. People actually have a better chance living without this Shepard around.
Bingo!
Though I'd say "death by snusnu" with Morinth. At least go out with a smile on your face.
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Bingo!
Though I'd say "death by snusnu" with Morinth. At least go out with a smile on your face.
Fair enough. Morinth might be the better choice. Maybe Shepard dies with that crazy smile on his face.
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