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[Iakus]

No it doesn't.

 

Not everyone who disliked the ending is a fan of MEHEM. I disliked the original endings, but think MEHEM is far worse. If this forum is anything to go by, that is also true of many other people.

 

It just shows on how many levels the endings failed.

[KotorEffect3]

I knew Obi Won should have finished the job.

[angol fear]

It just shows on how many levels the endings failed.

 

It just shows hypocrisy from some people who dislike the ending.

[KaiserShep]

Not everyone who disliked the ending is a fan of MEHEM. I disliked the original endings, but think MEHEM is far worse. If this forum is anything to go by, that is also true of many other people.

 

I think that I'd greatly prefer MEHEM's general approach to the ending long before the original ending, but it's just too hard for me to get past the obviousness of it being an amalgam of parts taken from the series.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I became the hero who defeated the Reapers, saved the day, and became a legend across the galaxy.

 

And yet, still not sharp enough to understand the joke.

 

Says all you need to know about Destroy (LOL)!

[Orikon]

Nope.

Priority:Earth remake or gtfo.

[Undead Han]

It just shows hypocrisy from some people who dislike the ending.

 

What exactly is it that you find hypocritical?

[Iakus]

What exactly is it that you find hypocritical?

Not liking the endings of course 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

just tired of these companies so called "art, visions" whatever you want to call it these days. Your clearly the hero, this is the big bad enemy, find a way to defeat the enemy, not try to understand them, destroy them, the end, simple. Its cool to create a game that makes you think about the journey taken to get to the end but you don't need the complicated BS Enemy boo hoo no one understands me crap!!!!! Your the hero, they are the enemy, kill them, the day is won, period.

 

MASS EFFECT 3, DESTINY, DAI, and I am sure many other hyped games so called "endings" just plain sucked balls. Its becoming a trend now or maybe fans are just not smart enough to understand these companies over complicated or just plain bad endings/final acts.

 

Writing a good ending is hard, especially for a video game where you've written the MC on a power trip for an entire series. In DAI, I felt like "I am the Herald of Andraste! Bow before me!" In Mass Effect, I was (at least according to Casey Hudson) Commander Shepard. My decisions mattered. The entire fate of the galaxy hinged on what I did. Even dead Jacob's unborn child depended upon whether I was able to talk the mother into having gene therapy for it. Goddess give me strength. Conrad Verner's fate depended upon whether or not I talked Jenna into not working as an informant for C-sec. I got absolution for killing 300,000 and wiping out the Bahak System with a click of the mouse by retrieving the Pillars of Strength from Reaper Controlled Khar'shan. The Quarians needed Commander Shepard to.... board a Geth Dreadnought? Why couldn't they do it themselves? Oh wait... it's a video game and it would ruin your power trip if they could solve their own problem. Plus I got to take on a Reaper... on foot! Never mind that the orbital strike from the ships should have left a 1/4 mile crater and a dead reaper on the first hit, not to mention a dead Shepard. What I did with the Rachni Queen in ME1 had a huge effect in the final battle over Earth.

 

But one does not mess with The Shepard. Unless one is Bioware. Then one gets to mess with the players and decide there will be a plot twist at the end - you're the big bad guy on the wrong side of this fight while the reapers are the ones trying to save the galaxy. It's okay starbrat, you can make zombies out of everyone while you're making goop and have fun making a mess of things and making everyone suffer. It's fine. I'll go along with your plans because you're right.

 

Leave it to Borderlands and Borderlands 2 to make fun of the entire genre. I couldn't kill Handsome Jack in the end.

[KaiserShep]

Hey don't talk smack about Conrad. His trilogy-spanning quest is legend.

[angol fear]

What exactly is it that you find hypocritical?

 

Iakus who has chosen MEHEM ("I choose MEHEM.  Shepard deserved better:") and decide to quote someone who thinks that MEHEM is worst than Bioware's ending ("I disliked the original endings, but think MEHEM is far worse"), just to say that the ending has problem.("It just shows on how many levels the endings failed."). He isn't trying to defend a vision of the writing, he just wants to say that the ending is bad.

[Daemul]

This is the dumbest idea I've heard in a long time.

[in it for the lolz]

Not going to happen. Time to move on, OP.

[txgoldrush]

This is simply the Sopranos ending over again....the people who get it, like it. the people who don't, complain and then blame the writers instead of themselves. All throughout the final season of the Sopranos, clues are given to what happens at the end, and smart people figure it out, that Tony Soprano got whacked or that his life will always be of danger. It was an ending, not a cliffhanger, and it was so genre, but done in a refreshing way.

 

Really, the ending, while not perfect, works, for those who actually think, but not overthink like many on this board keep doing.  Its thematically complex but structurally straightforward. The Catalyst was indeed defeated by Shepard, before you meet him. But instead of having a moronic boss fight, it is beaten intellectually, so he talks to you and reveals himself. So right before Anderson dies, you win. And you win not only in the present but any future cycles, which the writers did incredible job taken that  into account. But the Catalyst is not the authority people who criticize the ending think he is. He never was....he is just another flawed well intentioned extremist which causes him to be an antagonist. Nothing more. But about making a tough choice...that's its theme, just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed. Hell, in a way, the ending literally fits the title MASS EFFECT. Its not Guardians of the Galaxy, its MASS EFFECT. To have your choices use MASS EEFECT tech to have a MASS EFFECT on the galaxy works.

 

And really, those who try to use the word "Art" as a bad thing just want to dumb things down.

 

Well The Witcher 3 is "art", and oh, its great. no dumbing down of anything, unlike say DAI which narratively, is dumbed down from DA2 while not really learning why DA2's story was flawed (it was rushed KOTOR 2 style). And DAI is certainly dumbed down from ME3. DAI is a game that wanted to please everybody, so no risks were taken, and in the end, DAI was so toothless. CD Projeckt RED understands that you do not have to please everybody or dumb things down to have success. Bioware should learn this, and those that whine about something because they don't understand or like it, and not judge by the works own merits but judge by what they want from it, need to shut up and either pay more attention to the story or learn that just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

[Iakus]

Iakus who has chosen MEHEM ("I choose MEHEM.  Shepard deserved better:") and decide to quote someone who thinks that MEHEM is worst than Bioware's ending ("I disliked the original endings, but think MEHEM is far worse"), just to say that the ending has problem.("It just shows on how many levels the endings failed."). He isn't trying to defend a vision of the writing, he just wants to say that the ending is bad.

So I'm a hypocrite for acknowledging that other people have problems with the endings that aren't in lockstep with mine?

 

 

My problems with the endings =/= Han SHot First's problems =/=MassivelyEffective's problems.  

 

But the fact that so many peple have so many different problems with the endings kinda says "The endings are bad" to me.

[Iakus]

This is simply the Sopranos ending over again....the people who get it, like it. the people who don't, complain and then blame the writers instead of themselves. All throughout the final season of the Sopranos, clues are given to what happens at the end, and smart people figure it out, that Tony Soprano got whacked or that his life will always be of danger. It was an ending, not a cliffhanger, and it was so genre, but done in a refreshing way.

 

Really, the ending, while not perfect, works, for those who actually think, but not overthink like many on this board keep doing.  Its thematically complex but structurally straightforward. The Catalyst was indeed defeated by Shepard, before you meet him. But instead of having a moronic boss fight, it is beaten intellectually, so he talks to you and reveals himself. So right before Anderson dies, you win. And you win not only in the present but any future cycles, which the writers did incredible job taken that  into account. But the Catalyst is not the authority people who criticize the ending think he is. He never was....he is just another flawed well intentioned extremist which causes him to be an antagonist. Nothing more. But about making a tough choice...that's its theme, just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed. Hell, in a way, the ending literally fits the title MASS EFFECT. Its not Guardians of the Galaxy, its MASS EFFECT. To have your choices use MASS EEFECT tech to have a MASS EFFECT on the galaxy works.

 

And really, those who try to use the word "Art" as a bad thing just want to dumb things down.

 

Well The Witcher 3 is "art", and oh, its great. no dumbing down of anything, unlike say DAI which narratively, is dumbed down from DA2 while not really learning why DA2's story was flawed (it was rushed KOTOR 2 style). And DAI is certainly dumbed down from ME3. DAI is a game that wanted to please everybody, so no risks were taken, and in the end, DAI was so toothless. CD Projeckt RED understands that you do not have to please everybody or dumb things down to have success. Bioware should learn this, and those that whine about something because they don't understand or like it, and not judge by the works own merits but judge by what they want from it, need to shut up and either pay more attention to the story or learn that just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

Does anyone else smell patronizing condescension?

[txgoldrush]

and anti enders don't do patronizing condescension?

[KaiserShep]

Does anyone else smell patronizing condescension?

 

Smells like hot dogs.

[SimJom]

This is simply the Sopranos ending over again....the people who get it, like it. the people who don't, complain and then blame the writers instead of themselves.

 

You do realize that you can "get" something and not like it, yes? I understand the ending and I don't think the Catalyst's logic is flawed (though I find its solution not only monstrous but a bit bizarre, even if it's "efficient", I guess), but I still don't like it. Mainly because, like I said in another thread, I think the ending cheapens the Reapers and isn't cohesive with the way they were portrayed in the first two games -- where Sovereign and Harbinger spit on life every time they have the opportunity. I don't mind giving the Reapers an origin and motives, but these ones weren’t good.  

 

Concerning the OP, I also would like a final boss fight, even if it's never going to happen. While ME's story is one of the best I've ever seen in a video game (not THE best, though : that honor probably still goes to Silent Hill 2 in my opinion), it's still a video game, and video games without a final boss fight are always disappointing.

[CrutchCricket]

and anti enders don't do patronizing condescension?

We do, but it sounds better when we're not deluded fanboys.

[wolfhowwl]

No we do not need an asinine boss fight against a mile long space battleship.

[Undead Han]

This is simply the Sopranos ending over again...

 

The Sopranos ending was well-written and acted, had plenty of foreshadowing, and was not thematically inconsistent with the rest of the series. I'd have to disagree that Mass Effect 3's endings shared any of those traits.

 

Obviously you came to a different conclusion, and you are entitled to that opinion. But don't make the mistake of assuming that just because someone doesn't like same things you do, that they don't understand it.