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The MASS EFFECT Trilogy Remastered.......Harbinger boss fight, defeat Harbinger, all the Reapers die, the end!

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#126
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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 10:47

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It could have been that simple folks, why could they not just keep it simple? Instead of all that thought provoking us versus them, here is your convenient super weapon, deus ex, matrix, kill them to make us so you can join us then make us later blah blah blah WHAT?!?!

 

Yes I want a remastered trilogy if not only out of curiosity to see if they would actually have the balls to redo the ME3 ending all together. The Reapers should have remained what Sovereign was in ME1 THE ENEMY!!!!! Come on Bioware.

 

Give Us What We Really Want.........yeah many want to bury their heads in the sand and just say screw it make new and better content, game, etc. but at the end of the day THE ENDING THE ENDING THE ENDING is a wound that runs deep.

 

Bring all your surviving team members together, fight Harbinger, defeat Harbinger, big freaking beam of light comes from Harbinger destroying all the Reapers and their minions, the sky opens up, the sunshines, the day is won, the end, role credits. SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE, EASY. May not be the best idea but it is better closure than what we got people.

 

For Heaven Sakes DAT ENDING

 

This is a good idea, and if done correctly, could be the cornerstone of player agency within the series. 

 

And that.... Is how I know BioFail would never do something like it. 


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 03:48

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If gamers want gaming to evolve, thought provoking endings need to happen.


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 04:20

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Because technology is part of culture, philosophy and therefore consciousness. Come on.
This also answers the second part of your post. And I don't care if you think it's mystical crap or not. The Reapers are made from the cultures and consciousness of the civilisations they harvest : that's lore. If you don't like it, blame Bioware.


Gotcha. Since I think this is mystical crap and you don't, we've reduced this to the point where our perspectives can no longer interact in any useful way.

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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 04:22

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If gamers want gaming to evolve, thought provoking endings need to happen.


Meaning that you'll take a well-intentioned failure over the lowest-common-denominator stuff the OP's pushing, right?

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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 05:37

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Gotcha. Since I think this is mystical crap and you don't, we've reduced this to the point where our perspectives can no longer interact in any useful way.

Well to be fair, it's not like I believe that you can retain the consciousness and knowledge of someone once you turn him into goo. I don't know if I would call it mystical crap, but I definitely don't think it's possible. This is, however, Bioware's story, so I take it into account.


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 07:20

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Meaning that you'll take a well-intentioned failure over the lowest-common-denominator stuff the OP's pushing, right?

 

I don't see the ending as a failure. 


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 07:48

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Pot ... kettle ... black in terms of moronic unthinking swallowing of tripe.

Please.......it is people like you who do not want to think.

 

Face it, ITS ALL IN THE NARRATIVE. The ending fits this narrative. Don't blame Bioware because you ignored the narrative.

 

If gamers want gaming to evolve, thought provoking endings need to happen.

Yep.

 

And since this ending, Bioware has gone back to the shell with DAI. Cd Projeckt RED is now king.

 

I don't see the ending as a failure. 

This

 

I see the fanbase as the failure, past wanting to see more clarity from the original ending. Many failed to meet the writers halfway and insist on having their own vision of the ending.


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 08:11

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Meaning that you'll take a well-intentioned failure over the lowest-common-denominator stuff the OP's pushing, right?

 

I'll take solid competency over utter dirge attempting to be edgy.


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 09:14

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If gamers want gaming to evolve, thought provoking endings need to happen.

 

Sure.  Too bad ME3's ending isn't thought-provoking.  It's quasi-hipster at best.

 

Meaning that you'll take a well-intentioned failure over the lowest-common-denominator stuff the OP's pushing, right?

Failure is still failure.  They had their hands full just accounting for three games worth of plot.  Not the right time to be showboating when ending the game in a coherent manner at all would be challenge enough.


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 09:14

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I'll take solid competency over utter dirge attempting to be edgy.

SO much this


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Posté 15 mai 2015 - 11:55

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This

 

I see the fanbase as the failure, past wanting to see more clarity from the original ending. Many failed to meet the writers halfway and insist on having their own vision of the ending.

 

Well unless they know how to code their own game, they're pretty much going to have to take the ending that was given to them. 

 

It's like being given a Christmas present, getting upset for not liking it, and demanding they go out and buy you a new, better one.

 

It's okay to not like the game or ending, but if they think that Bioware should make a whole new ending exactly how the fans want it, that has spoiled written all over it. I remember reading about this one guy who was actually going to donate his entire life savings to Bioware towards a new ending.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 07:28

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I'll take solid competency over utter dirge attempting to be edgy.

 

That's a choice that reveals that you're a customer, not a reader. Your "solid competency" is just following formulas, anyone can do it. That's exactly what hollywood want you to take : (fake) solid competency.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 07:41

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That's a choice that reveals that you're a customer, not a reader. Your "solid competency" is just following formulas, anyone can do it. That's exactly what hollywood want you to take : (fake) solid competency.


No it's not just Hollywood, it any good story whatever the form. Trying to be edgy for the sake of it is far worse than competently finishing the story. Be inventive but be so in the heart of the narrative and that will feed through to the ending.
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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 07:50

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No it's not just Hollywood, it any good story whatever the form. Trying to be edgy for the sake of it is far worse than competently finishing the story. Be inventive but be so in the heart of the narrative and that will feed through to the ending.

 

The problem is that Mass effect isn't "trying to be edgy for the sake of it". The writing leads to that ending. You didn't see it.

That's not the first time I see a "popular" work underestimated by the large public. It's always the same thing : people don't see the experimental or philosophical aspect, and when it is explicitly shown, people hate it, they complain about it. If some people (I'm not the only one) see that aspect before the large public, and before it's explicit, it's because it's here, it exists but it's ignored.

It's only a problem of reading, not a problem of writing.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 08:04

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Most people took the ending at face value. The Extended Cut tells a completely different story if you look at it from a non-face value point of view.

 

Let's just say the Extended Cut isn't all sunshine and bunnies where organics and synthetics can co-exist peacefully (synthesis) or where you control the Reapers and they actually rebuild everything for you. 

 

The original ending, has some symbolism that I've never seen anyone talk about. When the Citadel opens up, it is in the shape of an upside down pentagram. Normally a pentagram is a protective symbol, but when inverted, usually mean something bad is going to happen. Then the Catalyst shows up.

 

The 1M1 symbol that you've seen in a lot of places since ME1 is not inverted on the left side (control, synthesis). On the right side (destroy) it is inverted.

 

This symbol essentially means convergence. The two endings essentially are converging and becoming one with the Reapers. 


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 10:18

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The problem is that Mass effect isn't "trying to be edgy for the sake of it". The writing leads to that ending. You didn't see it.

That's not the first time I see a "popular" work underestimated by the large public. It's always the same thing : people don't see the experimental or philosophical aspect, and when it is explicitly shown, people hate it, they complain about it. If some people (I'm not the only one) see that aspect before the large public, and before it's explicit, it's because it's here, it exists but it's ignored.

It's only a problem of reading, not a problem of writing.

 

I don't agree. IMO It clearly was trying to edgy for the sake of it and it was a problem of the writing. We're not going to come to a meeting of the minds on this issue.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 03:34

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Hopefully on May 19th people will be too busy playing TW3 instead of keep going with this bullshit.

 

There's no way they will ever change the ending.

 

You didn't like it, ok, got it. Now move the **** on.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 04:03

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Hopefully on May 19th people will be too busy playing TW3 instead of keep going with this bullshit.

 

There's no way they will ever change the ending.

 

You didn't like it, ok, got it. Now move the **** on.

 

I'm not an ending complainer -- just to get that out of the way.

 

 

But I don't know what the Witcher has to do with Mass Effect. I've never even played the first two games.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 05:08

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Hopefully on May 19th people will be too busy playing TW3 instead of keep going with this bullshit.

 

They didn't move on when DA:I came out. I don't think TW3 coming out will be any different.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 05:52

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Hopefully on May 19th people will be too busy playing TW3 instead of keep going with this bullshit.

 

There's no way they will ever change the ending.

 

You didn't like it, ok, got it. Now move the **** on.

Oh, on May 19th you can be assured I will be taking a LONG hiatus from this place.   But have no doubt I will be back.  And I will...

 

STILL.  BE. MAD. 


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 07:36

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They didn't move on when DA:I came out. I don't think TW3 coming out will be any different.

 

Sigh, with all those fantasy RPG's coming out I really wish there would be more Sci Fi themed RPG's on the market that involve space exploration. The ME franchise is actually the only one I can think of (open for suggestions). Maybe people would be less critical if they had more alternatives.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 07:51

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Sigh, with all those fantasy RPG's coming out I really wish there would be more Sci Fi themed RPG's on the market that involve space exploration. The ME franchise is actually the only one I can think of (open for suggestions). Maybe people would be less critical if they had more alternatives.

 

That's what so silly about limiting it to a trilogy (their original intent) and blowing it up in the end. They carved out a good niche here.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 08:07

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Sigh, with all those fantasy RPG's coming out I really wish there would be more Sci Fi themed RPG's on the market that involve space exploration. The ME franchise is actually the only one I can think of (open for suggestions). Maybe people would be less critical if they had more alternatives.

There's other genres I play where I only have three choices of games. Each of the choices has positives and negatives over each, and there is no clear-cut best game. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

That's what so silly about limiting it to a trilogy (their original intent) and blowing it up in the end. They carved out a good niche here.

Shepard's story is limited to a trilogy. The Mass Effect universe is not.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 08:07

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That's what so silly about limiting it to a trilogy (their original intent) and blowing it up in the end. They carved out a good niche here.

 

Yeah, absolutely right. Guess we can be thankful this time that game companies care about profit that much. Still, instead of just having infinite Mass Effect games I'd rather have more alternatives, see what Bethesda could come up with for example.


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Posté 16 mai 2015 - 08:15

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Sigh, with all those fantasy RPG's coming out I really wish there would be more Sci Fi themed RPG's on the market that involve space exploration. The ME franchise is actually the only one I can think of (open for suggestions). Maybe people would be less critical if they had more alternatives.

Still in production, but..

 

http://www.mandategame.com/


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