Guest_StreetMagic_*
Shepard's story is limited to a trilogy. The Mass Effect universe is not.
In the Final Hours app, Hudson said there would be no ME games after this timeline. They might've come up with spinoffs, but their plan was to end the main tale of the whole galaxy this way.
If you still want to consider that a "universe", go ahead. It's not an active, thriving universe then. It's static.. and the only ideas they had floating around the time were side stories of Garrus.
In the Final Hours app, Hudson said there would be no ME games after this timeline. They might've come up with spinoffs, but their plan was to end the main tale of the whole galaxy this way.
If you still want to consider that a "universe", go ahead. It's not an active, thriving universe then. It's static.. and the only ideas they had floating around the time were side stories of Garrus.
Well, for one, we might move to another galaxy 
And for two, spinoffs are still a part of the universe, just as comic books, novels, Paragon Lost, that Inflitrator game...
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Well, for one, we might move to another galaxy
A universe/setting is dead when you know the beginning and end of it.
No one would play D&D or TES or whatever if they knew that their little side story excursions don't really matter and it all goes to hell after 3 choices that happened in another story.
This is why the Matrix is basically a lifeless franchise. And why no one gave a **** about that prequel BSG spinoff. Fun enough settings while they lasted, but you can't extend them much.
edit: BTW, I'm speaking about the possibilities right after launch. The whole "Andromeda" thing (if that's even true) wasn't part of their plan.
A universe/setting is dead when you know the beginning and end of it.
No one would play D&D or TES or whatever if they knew that their little side story excursions don't really matter and it all goes to hell after 3 choices that happened in another story.
This is why the Matrix is basically a lifeless franchise. And why no one gave a **** about that prequel BSG spinoff. Fun enough settings while they lasted, but you can't extend them much.
edit: BTW, I'm speaking about the possibilities right after launch. The whole "Andromeda" thing (if that's even true) wasn't part of their plan.
I'm taking it you won't be playing the next game then?
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I'm taking it you won't be playing the next game then?
No, what makes you say that?
I'm only saying that Hudson planned on ending the main story here.. That there'd nothing after ME3's timeline. This was Hudson in the final hours app.
He didn't know that it'd all blow up in his face, he'd leave Bioware, and the two founders of the company would be gone too. Major fallout. And now they're salvaging what they can. Maybe it'll be good. Who knows.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
There's even a trope for this: Torch the Franchise and Run (or, "Breaking your own toys so nobody else can play with them")
http://tvtropes.org/...FranchiseAndRun
I think this was his plan... but fans would have none of it.
Can you bring the exact quote here? I find it hard to believe that Casey would've said that ME3 will be the end of ME universe. Main story, sure, Shepard's story was planned as trilogy and is over. Doesn't mean the universe is dead.
Also Casey was working on ME:Next when he left. Last year E3 trailer was him doing the talking. So this trope doesn't apply.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Can you bring the exact quote here? I find it hard to believe that Casey would've said that ME3 will be the end of ME universe. Main story, sure, Shepard's story was planned as trilogy and is over. Doesn't mean the universe is dead.
Also Casey was working on ME:Next when he left. Last year E3 trailer was him doing the talking. So this trope doesn't apply.
I think he was just tying up loose ends before sending off. I didn't say he got fired or anything... I just don't think any of this was part of his plan.
You'll have to watch the Final Hours app, unfortunately. It's some weird Adobe format, and can't be copy/pasted from in the usual manner. It's toward the end. I don't have it installed anymore, so you can take my word or not. I don't mind. 
No, what makes you say that?
I'm only saying that Hudson planned on ending the main story here.. That there'd nothing after ME3's timeline. This was Hudson in the final hours app.
He didn't know that it'd all blow up in his face, he'd leave Bioware, and the two founders of the company would be gone too. Major fallout. And now they're salvaging what they can. Maybe it'll be good. Who knows.
Ah, just thought so because you sounded quite negative here 
But exactly, maybe it'll be good. I will not judge anything until I've played it. The universe can still exist. I'm just curious what they will do in the end Maybe we'll know more for sure soon.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Ah, just thought so because you sounded quite negative here
But exactly, maybe it'll be good. I will not judge anything until I've played it. The universe can still exist. I'm just curious what they will do in the end
Yeah, I'm still open to it. I'm only negative about how they tried to drag everything down with Shepard's story. I think they tried to make it as airtight and catastrophic as possible to ever revisit (as far as sequels go). And because of that, you have to go to a whole new galaxy now just to breathe life into the series again. Spin offs weren't going to cut it.
Yeah, I'm still open to it. I'm only negative about how they tried to drag everything down with Shepard's story. I think they tried to make it as airtight and catastrophic as possible to ever revisit (as far as sequels go). And because of that, you have to go to a whole new galaxy now just to breathe life into the series again. Spin offs weren't going to cut it.
I liked that they did that 
I mean, I don't know, but if they'd left a door open for any possible sequels directly tied to the Trilogy we probably would have gotten one ending. Not even a choice (just like it was in DA2 and DAI; which doesn't mean I hated them, but it's hard to continue if you give players more options at the end).
And if we go to a new galaxy, that's fine by me. Rather a clean cut than trying to tie everything together for the sake of it, imo. But let's see.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I liked that they did that
I mean, I don't know, but if they'd left a door open for any possible sequels directly tied to the Trilogy we probably would have gotten one ending. Not even a choice (just like it was in DA2 and DAI; which doesn't mean I hated them, but it's hard to continue if you give players more options at the end).
And if we go to a new galaxy, that's fine by me. Rather a clean cut than trying to tie everything together for the sake of it, imo. But let's see.
Fair enough.
If the rumors are true, the one thing I'm glad they're continuing is something tied to humanity's destiny. Whatever that may be. Because that's all I really cared for to begin with. That first conversation with Anderson and Nihlus pretty much sums it up.. and how Eden Prime was this symbol of humanity finding it's place in the galaxy.
And then the Reapers ****** it up.
The rest of the series is just me trying to reclaim what was lost at Eden Prime.
If the new series can do that, I'm good. It would've been nice to see the fruits of my labors in the Milky Way, but whatever.
They can still do the Milky Way. It's just that they have to start it with our main character watching the ending of ME3 in a movie theater or something like that with his/her date.
Guest_ruul_*
In the Final Hours app, Hudson said there would be no ME games after this timeline. They might've come up with spinoffs, but their plan was to end the main tale of the whole galaxy this way.
If you still want to consider that a "universe", go ahead. It's not an active, thriving universe then. It's static.. and the only ideas they had floating around the time were side stories of Garrus.
How exactly is the galaxy static after the ending of ME3? The Extended Cut clearly shows that people made it back home, and life continued on well into the future. Think the slides told a story that expands on 500 years after the Reaper war.
I think it's more the case of fans overreacting and treating the ending like it was the end of the world. The "torch the franchise and run" is a clear example of someone overreacting and forming their opinions on emotion, rather than logic. Or insinuating that Casey Hudson had some insidious plan to end the story this way and then quit and work somewhere else. Perhaps he wanted a career change, and try something else after working in video games for the last 16 or so years.
This fanbase needs to be more positive and constructive...
How exactly is the galaxy static after the ending of ME3? The Extended Cut clearly shows that people made it back home, and life continued on well into the future. Think the slides told a story that expands on 500 years after the Reaper war.
The only problem is when you see some of your squadmate. But sure, after the choice it's supposed to be a new beginning. By definition, it can't be static.
This fanbase needs to be more positive and constructive...
People who consider themself to be the "fanbase" are usually reactionary. Fans are never a good thing for creation because they love something and always want this thing to be repeated. Fanbase is negative and destructive.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
This fanbase needs to be more positive and constructive...
It's static if you take into account all the possible endings. It has little room to move forward that way. They barely gave themselves an "out". And that "out" is a pretty out of left field-- a whole new galaxy. He never talked about that after release. He said the timeline was finished - and that new games could be prequel/spinoffs and whatnot. His idea of tapping into the potential of the franchise was looking backwards at best. And I think he intentionally tried to make it that way at first, for reasons I stated earlier.
If the creator makes it possible to annihilate or dramatically alter everything in the setting -- and then comes out in an interview and says "No games after this timeline", what am I supposed to think? "Oh, yeah.. this still has franchise potential".
And I don't think it's the "end of the world"... for me. I don't mind my ending. I could continue in my particular "world state" fine. But I'm only one person with one type of playthrough. This is bigger than me. Also, read my posts everywhere. I'm not an ending hater. I'm not what you think I am. You're just latching on to some idea of a "negative fan" who think it's "the end of the world" and projecting all of that on to me. I want nothing to do with this. Just because I cast Hudson in a cynical light doesn't mean I'm negative. I'm just saying there's a big air of finality to all of it. That is, before they came up with an entirely different galaxy.
The only problem is when you see some of your squadmate. But sure, after the choice it's supposed to be a new beginning. By definition, it can't be static.
People who consider themself to be the "fanbase" are usually reactionary. Fans are never a good thing for creation because they love something and always want this thing to be repeated. Fanbase is negative and destructive.
You're the one being reactionary right now, unfortunately. I could have sworn I was JUST agreeing with you the other day about the endings... I think we even "liked" each other's posts about something. And now you're not taking this into account. You're just reacting at perceived negativity, living in the moment, and letting "ruul"'s labeling get the better of the conversation.
They can still do the Milky Way. It's just that they have to start it with our main character watching the ending of ME3 in a movie theater or something like that with his/her date.
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People who consider themself to be the "fanbase" are usually reactionary. Fans are never a good thing for creation because they love something and always want this thing to be repeated. Fanbase is negative and destructive.
You're the one being reactionary right now, unfortunately. I could have sworn I was JUST agreeing with you the other day about the endings... I think we even "liked" each other's posts about something. And now you're not taking this into account. You're just reacting at perceived negativity, living in the moment, and letting "ruul"'s labeling get the better of the conversation.
I don't know, I can get what angol fear says. Fanbases are like a double-edged sword. If they like stuff they kiss the devs' asses, if not, they hate on them with all their passion. It's not only like that for video games, but in any art form. Music, films, etc. Doesn't even matter if they liked something before. If devs dare to go a way the fans dislike, better run for cover because emotion gets the better of them.
The main reason is that of course it's always a matter of taste, and yeah, I also don't like some things. But if everyone would calm down a bit instead of raging like crazy, talking sh*t about a work field that's supposed to entertain, the world would be a better place. I often heard the word "fan" with a negative attachment to it, and from what I sometimes experience, it's no surprise. Coming from the word "fanatical", that does have a negative sound to it. I even read of some people who refuse to call themselves fan because of exactly that
The fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions. (sounds way too familiar)
I don't know, I really despise how ugly and horrible some people can be to others, what's the point of it? Do they feel better if they rage about something?
Meh, I'll never understand that.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I don't know, I can get what angol fear says. Fanbases are like a double-edged sword. If they like stuff they kiss the devs' asses, if not, they hate on them with all their passion. It's not only like that for video games, but in any art form. Music, films, etc. Doesn't even matter if they liked something before. If devs dare to go a way the fans dislike, better run for cover because emotion gets the better of them.
The main reason is that of course it's always a matter of taste, and yeah, I also don't like some things. But if everyone would calm down a bit instead of raging like crazy, talking sh*t about a work field that's supposed to entertain, the world would be a better place. I often heard the word "fan" with a negative attachment to it, and from what I sometimes experience, it's no surprise. Coming from the word "fanatical", that does have a negative sound to it. I even read of some people who refuse to call themselves fan because of exactly that
The fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.
I don't know, I really despise how ugly and horrible some people can be to others, what's the point of it? Do they feel better if they rage about something?
Meh, I'll never understand that.
I get what they're saying too.
Except it has nothing to do with me. I like the game. You know me by now 
edit: Or am I really that hard to understand?
Except it has nothing to do with me. I like the game. You know me by now
edit: Or am I really that hard to understand?
Haha, no worries, I do know
I just didn't think that angol fear attacked you personally, but maybe I missed something?
Anywaaaay, all is good!
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Haha, no worries, I do know
I just didn't think that angol fear attacked you personally, but maybe I missed something?
Anywaaaay, all is good!
Fair enough.
Well, if angol (or ruul) see it that way, rest assured... I'm a "fan". And not the raging kind.
OK, that's a lie. I'm bitter about Priority Earth. But not the endings.
Well, if angol (or ruul) see it that way, rest assured... I'm a "fan". And not the raging kind.
OK, that's a lie. I'm bitter about Priority Earth. But not the endings.
Haha, I do consider myself a fan too, after all, I can get pretty fanatical/obsessed, but only with stuff I like
Yeah, to be fair Priority Earth could have been better. Though I really still enjoyed it.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I should also point out that I think Casey is cool. He's a Jack fan, after all. I just can't help but see this in a cynical light.
...But.... I liked the ending. *hides*
Fair enough.
Well, if angol (or ruul) see it that way, rest assured... I'm a "fan". And not the raging kind.
OK, that's a lie. I'm bitter about Priority Earth. But not the endings.
Fraggleblabla is right, I wasn't attacking you personally. If I were, I would have quoted you.
There were several things in what I wrote :
-I was criticizing those who consider themselves the fanbase. I mean one guy alone isn't the fanbase. When someone start to say something like "Bioware betrayed their fans" he is actually talking about himself, alone. He consider the fanbase to be like him, the others are not fans. So for Mass Effect 3, just because there are more people coming here who dislike the ending, they think they are the fanbase and those who like the ending are trolls, or "indoctrinated" people (which is totally stupid). Those people will say : "It's stupid to start Mass Effect with Mass Effect 3". They don't see how ridiculous they are when they say that. They want the game to be made for them, the "fanbase". They ignore the financial aspect, but at the same time they want the game to be a product, not a piece of art (but at the same time they hate everything that is intellectual).
-Fraggleblabla developed my other point (thank you!) : because they love something they want the author to reproduce it. It's only about emotion : if they have what they wanted they will love, if they don't, they will hate (they'll never try to understand) and they will want something like "I hope Bioware won't sell games anymore" (so no Bioware anymore, just because they didn't like a game! they could see other developers and wish the best for Bioware, but no, they want Bioware to die just because they weren't satisfied). The problem is that the "fanbase" want to play the same game, they don't care about the writing (they wanted Mass Effect 2 to be like like 1, then Mass Effect 3 to be like 2). They do the "torch the franchise and run".
That's the idea of my post but I wasn't pointing you at all, so sorry for the misunderstanding.
PS : and for the active/non-active universe after the ending. I think that you were a talking about the original ending (the final hours app is about the original ending) that creates a devasted galaxy, and ruul was talking about the EC which is a different ending because here it's a galaxy that is rebuilt (not totally but quite quickly) : they don't lead to the same feeling of how it ends. But Casey Hudson didn't do that to torch the franchise and run. Mass Effect was, from the beginning, supposed to be a trilogy, and it was planned from the beginning that it would lead to something like that (when in the beginning of Mass Effect 1 it is said that someone sees our destruction, the developers say how far they will go).
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