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[xPez]

Hey ya'll   Hopefully some kind soul can help.

 

My laptop is slowly dying after about 4/5 years, which is like 80 in laptop years right?

 

Because of that, I need a new gaming laptop but don't really know much about the specifics. I'll probably be playing games like Total War, Crusader Kings etc, not CoD or Skyrim or DA cause my Xbone is the default.

 

Is this a decent build? Found it on pcspecialist. The link is http://www.pcspecial...s/optimusVI-17/ but I've thrown in a better CPU and RAM

 

Display = Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

CPU = Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-4720HQ (2.60GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo)

Graphics Card = NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM -Direct®X 11

Memory (RAM) = 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (1x8GB)

Memory (Hard Disk) = 500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" Hard Drive with 8MB Cache (5.400rpm)

Sound Card = Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster Cinema 2

 

There are other specs too but they're just misc stuff. You can choose between Windows 8 and Windows 7 so I'm probably going to go with 7 because of preference,unless there is any real reason to go Windows 8? 

 

Anyway, all of that comes to £853 which is a little bit more than I wanted to pay, but is it worth it? I'd like it to be somewhat future-proof as well as I've heard laptops are harder to customise than desktops, and also I want to be able to run Total War: Warhammer when it is finally released.

 

Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

[Deathangel008]

do you really need a notebook? you get more power for the same money in a desktop-pc.

the notebook you picked btw is not really a "gaming"-notebook due to its rather weak gpu, which is about as "fast" as the desktop 750ti.

[Fidite Nemini]

do you really need a notebook? you get more power for the same money in a desktop-pc.

 

That question needs an answer first and foremost.

 

You can get a desktop with i5 4690 and a GTX 960 for the same money, which performancewise is MUCH better than the laptop. So unless you really, really need a laptop because you move around all the time or something like that, going desktop will see your money better invested, either in more power per buck, or less buck for the same power.

[Melra]

Uh... Having laptop instead of a desktop for gaming is like masturbating instead of having a proper intercourse. No one should want one, unless they are in bed alone and too tired for the real thing.

[Fidite Nemini]

Uh... Having laptop instead of a desktop for gaming is like masturbating instead of having a proper intercourse. No one should want one, unless they are in bed alone and too tired for the real thing.

 

Interesting analogy

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Now is not a good time to buy a gaming laptop for the simple reason that the top of the line laptop GPU, the GTX 980M only has 75% performance of the desktop GTX 980 equivalent.

 

Obviously 75% is impressive, especially when you compare it to the meager 40% for the previous gen graphics card but it is still not enough.

 

If you want to buy a gaming laptop, I would suggest you wait until the next generation of GPU comes to the market. By that time, laptop GPUs will have more than 75% of the desktop GPU performance which would make buying gaming laptops more sensible.

 

For now, stick with desktops. 

[Fidite Nemini]

Now is not a good time to buy a gaming laptop for the simple reason that the top of the line laptop GPU, the GTX 980M only has 75% performance of the desktop GTX 980 equivalent.

 

And like 150% of its price. GTX 980 goes for around 600-650€ over here, GTX 980M goes for around 900-950€.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

And like 150% of its price. GTX 980 goes for around 600-650€ over here, GTX 980M goes for around 900-950€.

 

Yep. I don't doubt that laptop GPUs will one day match desktop GPUs, that day is bound to come at some point in time, perhaps roughly 5 to 10 years from from now but they will still be expensive.

 

Gaming laptops should only be considered by people who are road warriors or by people who live their lives on the fast lane and travel alot. If you are a college student, get a cheap ultrabook or tablet-laptop hybrid for your schoolwork and build a good value for money PC. Its not that difficult and it actually saves you a lot since you won't get distracted with gaming when you are supposed to be studying. 

[Fidite Nemini]

Yep. I don't doubt that laptop GPUs will one day match desktop GPUs, that day is bound to come at some point in time, perhaps roughly 5 to 10 years from from now but they will still be expensive.

 

Gaming laptops should only be considered by people who are road warriors or by people who live their lives on the fast lane and travel alot. If you are a college student, get a cheap ultrabook or tablet-laptop hybrid for your schoolwork and build a good value for money PC. Its not that difficult and it actually saves you a lot since you won't get distracted with gaming when you are supposed to be studying. 

 

They're never going to match because they have different design philosophies. Desktop GPUs are manufactured for maximum power, whereas mobile GPUs are made for maximum efficiency (due to the limited energy supply on mobile devices, subpar thermals and limited space in those crampy mobile devices).

 

Or at least they will never match in the way that one mobile GPU #XXX will have the same performance of a desktop GPU #XXX, because technically they have the same performance relative to hardware specifications and clock frequencies across the same GPU architecture.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Hey ya'll   Hopefully some kind soul can help.
 
My laptop is slowly dying after about 4/5 years, which is like 80 in laptop years right?
 
Because of that, I need a new gaming laptop but don't really know much about the specifics. I'll probably be playing games like Total War, Crusader Kings etc, not CoD or Skyrim or DA cause my Xbone is the default.
 
Is this a decent build? Found it on pcspecialist. The link is http://www.pcspecial...s/optimusVI-17/ but I've thrown in a better CPU and RAM
 
Display = Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
CPU = Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-4720HQ (2.60GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo)
Graphics Card = NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM -Direct®X 11
Memory (RAM) = 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (1x8GB)
Memory (Hard Disk) = 500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" Hard Drive with 8MB Cache (5.400rpm)
Sound Card = Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster Cinema 2
 
There are other specs too but they're just misc stuff. You can choose between Windows 8 and Windows 7 so I'm probably going to go with 7 because of preference,unless there is any real reason to go Windows 8? 
 
Anyway, all of that comes to £853 which is a little bit more than I wanted to pay, but is it worth it? I'd like it to be somewhat future-proof as well as I've heard laptops are harder to customise than desktops, and also I want to be able to run Total War: Warhammer when it is finally released.
 
Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.

Is there a pressing need for a gaming laptop? You could probably get a half decent gaming desktop and a notebook for a similar price.

PC:
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4460 (3.2GHz) 6MB Cache

Case
STYLISH PIANO BLACK ENIGMA MICRO-ATX CASE + 2 FRONT USB

Motherboard
ASUS® H81M-PLUS: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960 - DVI, HDMI, 3 DP - 3D Vision Ready
Free Item: FREE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT Game with Select GTX 9 Series GPUs!

1st Hard Disk
500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY

£622

Laptop:
Chassis & Display
Mirage Series: 11.6" Matte 10 Point Multi-Touch HD Screen (1366 x 768)

Processor (CPU)
AMD® Kabini™ E1-2100 Processor (1.00GHz) 512K L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
AMD® Radeon® HD 8210 Graphics - DirectX® 11

Memory - Hard Disk
500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (5,400rpm)

£316

£938 in total, which is a bit more but you get a functional netbook for basic productivity tasks (surfing the net, emails, etc) while having a full desktop PC that performs better than the gaming laptop you posted in the OP.

[Deathangel008]

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960 - DVI, HDMI, 3 DP - 3D Vision Ready
Free Item: FREE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT Game with Select GTX 9 Series GPUs!

really? single-channel RAM and an overprized 4GB GTX960?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

srsly? single-channel RAM and an overprized 4GB GTX960?

I tried to match up specs with OP to show the equivalency. In any case, it was a quick 5 minute check, and being a pre-build site only, there are plenty of limitations in what you can mix and match.

[Fidite Nemini]

Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960

 

You don't want to use a single 8GB memory module. CPUs run memory in either dual- or quad channel mode. So you want to have 2x 4GB modules instead of 1x 8GB.

 

Also, 4GB GTX 960? U wot mate?

I'll keep it brief and just say that increased VRAM SKUs are an useless waste of money past a couple very specific exceptions. The GTX 960 is not one of those. If you have an application that consistently needs more than 2GB frame buffer to warrant a 4GB VRAM GPU, then the GTX 960 wouldn't be powerful enough for that application anyway. Increased VRAM SKUs are to a vast majority products that try to squeeze a couple bucks out of gullible customers by trying to impress them with big numbers.

[Deathangel008]

If you have an application that consistently needs more than 2GB frame buffer to warrant a 4GB VRAM GPU, then the GTX 960 wouldn't be powerful enough for that application anyway.

this. better alternatives to a GTX960 4GB are the R9 280X with 3GB or the R9 290 with 4GB.
 

 

Increased VRAM SKUs are to a vast majority products that try to squeeze a couple bucks out of gullible customers by trying to impress them with big numbers.

we all know the "GT630 with enormous 4GB VRAM" (which of course is slow GDDR3), do we?

[Eternal Phoenix]

do you really need a notebook? you get more power for the same money in a desktop-pc.

 

True this.

 

But if he does a lot of moving around, then a gaming laptop is viable enough to last a few years for good gaming.

 

I've got a desktop capable of running most recent games on med-high settings (which for a couple of hundred could easily be upgraded if I really cared enough) but will be looking for a laptop soon that can play games, simply because I now need a laptop (my old one is broken) and because it's more convenient for me. I've never liked desktops much  give me portability any day of the week mate.

 

 

Uh... Having laptop instead of a desktop for gaming is like masturbating instead of having a proper intercourse. No one should want one, unless they are in bed alone and too tired for the real thing.

 

It's like having a secret lover on the side.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

You don't want to use a single 8GB memory module. CPUs run memory in either dual- or quad channel mode. So you want to have 2x 4GB modules instead of 1x 8GB.
 
Also, 4GB GTX 960? U wot mate?
I'll keep it brief and just say that increased VRAM SKUs are an useless waste of money past a couple very specific exceptions. The GTX 960 is not one of those. If you have an application that consistently needs more than 2GB frame buffer to warrant a 4GB VRAM GPU, then the GTX 960 wouldn't be powerful enough for that application anyway. Increased VRAM SKUs are to a vast majority products that try to squeeze a couple bucks out of gullible customers by trying to impress them with big numbers.

  

this. better alternatives to a GTX960 4GB are the R9 280X with 3GB or the R9 290 with 4GB.
 
 
we all know the "GT630 with enormous 4GB VRAM" (which of course is slow GDDR3), do we?

Went back to the site and checked. Dual channel kits aren't available unless you are going for 16GB of RAM. As for the GTX 960, a good point made about the VRAM. 2GB version it is. The R9 280X is £40 more expensive than the GTX 960 and the R9 290 isn't available for the setup (Home Office) that I chose.

[Deathangel008]

But if he does a lot of moving around, then a gaming laptop is viable enough to last a few years for good gaming.

imo a "gaming-laptop" should have at least a GTX965M. the difference between the 2 cards is much bigger than the names suggests (640 vs 1024 shader units).
 

 

As for the GTX 960, a good point made about the VRAM. 2GB version it is. The R9 280X is £40 more expensive than the GTX 960 and the R9 290 isn't available for the setup (Home Office) that I chose.

i only know the prices in germany, and here the 960 and the R9 280 (similar performance but 3GB VRAM) start at the same price, like the 960 4GB and the 280X (~15% faster and 3GB VRAM). and altough the R9 280(X) is over 3 years old now, i would still prefer them over the 960 crapcard.

[Eternal Phoenix]

imo a "gaming-laptop" should have at least a GTX965M. the difference between the 2 cards is much bigger than the names suggests (640 vs 1024 shader units).

 
Yeah and for around the same price, he could get an Alienware laptop. Also Alienware have a graphics amplifier that uses a desktop GPU to bring the laptop up to desktop quality. Again, building a gaming desktop would work out cheaper but if he doesn't care about going over a few hundred then an Alienware with a graphics amplifier is a good alternative.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Yeah and for around the same price, he could get an Alienware laptop. Also Alienware have a graphics amplifier that uses a desktop GPU to bring the laptop up to desktop quality. Again, building a gaming desktop would work out cheaper but if he doesn't care about going over a few hundred then an Alienware with a graphics amplifier is a good alternative.

>Alienware
>ever

[Eternal Phoenix]

>Alienware
>ever

 

lol I don't know much about gaming laptops from experience. It's just I've heard alienware are good in both their desktops and laptops. 

 

Personally I'd stick with HP since my experience with them have always been reliable.

[Deathangel008]

Yeah and for around the same price, he could get an Alienware laptop. Also Alienware have a graphics amplifier that uses a desktop GPU to bring the laptop up to desktop quality. Again, building a gaming desktop would work out cheaper but if he doesn't care about going over a few hundred then an Alienware with a graphics amplifier is a good alternative.

what is a "graphics amplifier"?
 

lol I don't know much about gaming laptops from experience. It's just I've heard alienware are good in both their desktops and laptops.

the only things that alienware is good at are high prices and stupid hardware combinations.

i remember a recent alienware desktop pc where the basic configuration had an i7 5820K with 1x8GB RAM (socket 2011(-3) CPUs have quad-channel) and a R9 270X. nuff said.

[Garryydde]

>Alienware
>ever

[Fidite Nemini]

lol I don't know much about gaming laptops from experience. It's just I've heard alienware are good in both their desktops and laptops. 

 

You heard that likely from their marketing department. Because the reality is that ever since DELL bought up Alienware, they are pretty much the definition of brand-selling and customer scamming. Alienware had a good reputation back in the days, but ever since their acquisition by DELL they are crap and downright evil.

 

Overpriced as hell, stupid hardware combinations and low quality components are the trademarks for Alienware. They regularily bundle top of the line Intel i7 CPUs with 16GB RAM, but then couple that with a midrange GPU (like a R9 270 (non-X)), a shitty PSU they are too embarressed to actually name in the product configuration and then charge 1250$ for that. Or the same thing except you get a GTX 960 and a 256GB SD and they want 1600$ for it ... 350$ price difference for a slightly better GPU and a 256GB SSD (again, no name, so they could (and I have no doubt they do) include a shitty SSD and charge you for it as if you've got a Samsung Pro 850 in there).

 

Laptops are the same, overpriced as hell. You easily pay a couple hundred bucks just for the little green alien head painted on the chassis.

 

 

You should never buy anything from a shop that doesn't meticiously list every single component they build into a system on principle and Alienware is even worse due to them charging another extra for the "premium" branding.

 

F*cking scam, that's what Alienware is. How they are still in business is a mystery to me!

[Deathangel008]

How they are still in business is a mystery to me!

maybe because there are still too many "cool g4m0r" kiddies out there who dont know anything about hardware and buy alienware crap because it sounds "cool" and is expensive, because they think "expensive = good"?

[Eternal Phoenix]

what is a "graphics amplifier"?

http://www.dell.com/...hs&sku=452-BBRG
 

the only things that alienware is good at are high prices and stupid hardware combinations.

i remember a recent alienware desktop pc where the basic configuration had an i7 5820K with 1x8GB RAM (socket 2011(-3) CPUs have quad-channel) and a R9 270X. nuff said.

Yeah I think you're right. I looked up some of their laptops and they had worst specs than the OP's custom build.

 

I guess I am going from many years ago when I heard from regular people that alienware computers were good but I hadn't really followed the company to know how far their computers had since declined but looking at their website, it was overpriced garbage compared to what you could build for the same price.