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[DiamondBarJohn]

Common is the key; of mediocre or inferior quality; mean; low. It improves nothing, and degrades purposely.

 

Just your opinion of course, most would say that provides more color and excitement to the language.

[Saphiron123]

Common is the key; of mediocre or inferior quality; mean; low. It improves nothing, and degrades purposely.

DAI also uses the f-word. Just saying.

Anyway, this is irrelevant. it's your choice not to play the witcher because of what you've heard, but that doesn't change the fact that many aspects of it for many of us felt more like the sorts of stories we miss getting from bioware. Voice acted side quests, combat that can actually be challenging, less filler, cities and way more npcs to interact with, and maps that matter.

CDPR did a good job.

[BabyPuncher]

This game is set in a time where peasants were uneducated, people are burned at the stake and fear ruled the day. Sounds pretty realistic when compared to medieval life. It was a brutal time.

Sorry, but this 'realism' argument I've heard far too often is is flatly pathetic. Let's examine why.

Generally, when people talk about 'realism' in fiction, they mean what would most likely happen in these circumstances in real life. Correct?

Let's bypass the tedious historical arguments about a supposed era of 'fear ruling the day.' I'm sure historians can argue all day long about how 'brutal' a time it was, but what's absolutely beyond question is that a group of peasents methodically farming potatoes or something was an enormously, overwhelmingly, inarguably more commen scenario than say, peasants getting massacred by their evil king. Or alternatively, heroic peasents banding together to successfully stave off their evil king.

Why is it that we never see that?

Why is it, in supposedly 'realistic' fiction that supposedly 'shows life and society as it "really was," we see all the shiny assassinations and murders and whatnot, and not the mundane chores and lives many orders of magnitude more common? More 'realistic'?

Simple. Because how often they occurred is irrelevant. Because like all stories, it picks and chooses the events it wants to talk about.

Stories like this are not the slightest bit 'realistic' and have absolutely no intention to be. You don't get to throw realism out the window and then suddenly pretend to care about it when it suits your needs.

[Elhanan]

Just your opinion of course, most would say that provides more color and excitement to the language.

Not really alone in this, as was mentioned earlier:

http://smallbusiness...cmp=sbcfeatures

Swearing is unprofessional.

[BabyPuncher]

The whole deal with some words being considered profane is ridiculous anyway. Why should one word be considered any worse than another, when they mean the exact same thing?

They don't mean the exact same thing?

One has emphasis the other does not. Great is not the same as stupendous. Darn is not the same as damn.

[Saphiron123]

Not quite. Saw some of it in context with various vids and promos. Too much profanity for me to give it a go yet; maybe later with a mod or some other fix. And without Pause, no chance....

Okay, fair enough, but if you refuse to play it there's no point in arguing with those of us who are over stuff you haven't experienced for yourself... we get that you aren't into it, and that's actually totally cool, but you can't argue with us based on vids and promos.

That's like arguing literature with someone whose never read the book, or who read a single chapter. Or arguing about a tv show with someone dismissed it after an episode and dismissed it entirely because they didn't enjoy one episode.

[In Exile]

They don't mean the exact same thing?

One has emphasis the other does not. Great is not the same as stupendous. Darn is not the same as damn.

When it's said with the same intent - and is in fact a substitute for the word because of social convention - then it is the same. People who avoid swearing often ascribe greater significance to the swear word than people who do swear. It's a "damn" to me is "darn" to you situation.

[Loopystitches]

Sorry, but this 'realism' argument I've heard far too often is is flatly pathetic. Let's examine why.

Generally, when people talk about 'realism' in fiction, they mean what would most likely happen in these circumstances in real life. Correct?

Let's bypass the tedious historical arguments about a supposed era of 'fear ruling the day.' I'm sure historians can argue all day long about how 'brutal' a time it was, but what's absolutely beyond question is that a group of peasents methodically farming potatoes or something was an enormously, overwhelmingly, inarguably more commen scenario than say, peasants getting massacred by their evil king. Or alternatively, heroic peasents banding together to successfully stave off their evil king.

Why is it that we never see that?

Why is it, in supposedly 'realistic' fiction that supposedly 'shows life and society as it "really was," we see all the shiny assassinations and murders and whatnot, and not the mundane chores and lives many orders of magnitude more common? More 'realistic'?

Simple. Because how often they occurred is irrelevant. Because like all stories, it picks and chooses the events it wants to talk about.

Stories like this are not the slightest bit 'realistic' and have absolutely no intention to be. You don't get to throw realism out the window and then suddenly pretend to care about it when it suits your needs.

 

Even assuming the argument of historical accuracy, "minorities" should still be present. Blacks were deeply embedded in all facets of European life/aristocracy for millenia. Honestly, racism and white washing as we see it today is an artifact of modernity, pre-1400 or so, differences were contributed to money and connection to aristocracy.

http://afroeurope.bl...-in-europe.html

 

As for females being chronically objectified and using rape as a trite plot point. I get that people want historical accuracy and a certain grittiness to games, but I don't think I would ever play a game called "Escape from Auschwitz". Certain traumas needn't be glorified. Furthermore, for the millions of people who have experienced rape, incest or other forms of sexual violence, why bring all that back to the surface??? Giving a "gritty" sheen for some while risking reopening wounds for others seems callous at best.

 

Lastly, even if we believe in a white washed version of history, and acknowledge the abusive way women were routinely treated, the game has you hunting monsters, your character is also a monster who flings magic as he charges through battle with super human powers, he's raised a god child and has the option to have sex on a unicorn later.... But having an empowered female or a token black person is just too unrealistic? The setting indulges in adolescent male Caucasian power fantasies, which is sickeningly at odds with the ethos of Geralt in the books.

[Elhanan]

DAI also uses the f-word. Just saying.

Anyway, this is irrelevant. it's your choice not to play the witcher because of what you've heard, but that doesn't change the fact that many aspects of it for many of us felt more like the sorts of stories we miss getting from bioware. Voice acted side quests, combat that can actually be challenging, less filler, cities and way more npcs to interact with, and maps that matter.

CDPR did a good job.

Yes, DAI included some objectionable language which causes me to bench two characters for every session (ie; Iron Bull, Blackwall). Dorian uses a single term if one explores his personal story, but that is also avoidable.

In TW3, this occurs frequently; appears to be unavoidable which is why I choose to pass on it.

TW3 may have the greatest world created to date for all I know, but if the culture of that world is made so purposely repellent, then I shall choose to avoid it.

[Seraphim24]

Yes, DAI included some objectionable language which causes me to bench two characters for every session (ie; Iron Bull, Blackwall). Dorian uses a single term if one explores his personal story, but that is also avoidable.

In TW3, this occurs frequently; appears to be unavoidable which is why I choose to pass on it.

TW3 may have the greatest world created to date for all I know, but if the culture of that world is made so purposely repellent, then I shall choose to avoid it.

 

They use the f-bomb and that's your reason? I've heard stranger reasons I suppose.

 

Someone wouldn't play FFXIV because they couldn't skip the 1st cutscene or something.

[untuvainen]

DA:I had surprising amount of swearing for a series that didn't use that kind of language before. Kinda threw me off at times, going "did he really just-".

[BabyPuncher]

When it's said with the same intent - and is in fact a substitute for the word because of social convention - then it is the same. People who avoid swearing often ascribe greater significance to the swear word than people who do swear. It's a "damn" to me is "darn" to you situation.

It's not the same. I'm not going to react the same to a child saying "darn it" and one saying "mother******"

Is that an arbitrary thing? I'm sure it is. I'm also sure pretty much all language is the same way.

[Saphiron123]

Not really alone in this, as was mentioned earlier:

http://smallbusiness...cmp=sbcfeatures

Swearing is unprofessional.

And we don't swear when we're in client meetings... we however are not having a client meeting with the witcher. It's escapism, it's gaming. And again, arguing about swearing doesn't actually matter. The witcher is what it is, and it did many things better then DAI, and DAI swears. First dragon age game to say the f-word in fact.

It's totally cool that you don't dig swearing, but that doesn't make what we have to say abut the gameplay and world moot, and nobody is saying everyone in DAI needs to say the f and c words every second sentence... that's not what this thread is about. It's about the richness of the npcs and the amount of dialogue that permeated every aspect of the game, the detailed towns and the fact exploration in the witcher is more rewarding with more interesting random events then DAI offers. I love exploration in games. I love it in the witcher. I felt bored in DAI.

Curse words here aren't the issue.

[Saphiron123]

Yes, DAI included some objectionable language which causes me to bench two characters for every session (ie; Iron Bull, Blackwall). Dorian uses a single term if one explores his personal story, but that is also avoidable.

In TW3, this occurs frequently; appears to be unavoidable which is why I choose to pass on it.

TW3 may have the greatest world created to date for all I know, but if the culture of that world is made so purposely repellent, then I shall choose to avoid it.

Cool, but this is a thread about the witcher, and you can't convince us to avoid it. This is a thread about the witcher versus DAI though, without the witcher the thread is rather dead.

[Elhanan]

Okay, fair enough, but if you refuse to play it there's no point in arguing with those of us who are over stuff you haven't experienced for yourself... we get that you aren't into it, and that's actually totally cool, but you can't argue with us based on vids and promos.

That's like arguing literature with someone whose never read the book, or who read a single chapter. Or arguing about a tv show with someone dismissed it after an episode and dismissed it entirely because they didn't enjoy one episode.

And one may choose to be an informed consumer or not; do not have to buy a product to know that the ingredients listed on the package are not to their liking. Do not have to purchase a book or watch a film when the jacketed and advertised info informs one of the content that may be unsuitable.

But shop away blindly; that's totally cool....

[Spectre Impersonator]

Any other amazing quests to look up so far like the BB? anyone? Going to youtube it.

IMO, the side-quest featuring a werewolf struggling to keep himself in isolation when he turns in order to protect his loved ones is a really good one. It's more standard RPG fair, yet it features a sad storyline and a grey choice to make at the end of it, plus a difficult fight that requires preparation and tactics. Use Thunderbolt!

[Han Shot First]

They don't mean the exact same thing?

One has emphasis the other does not. Great is. It the same as stupendous. Darn is not the same as damn.

 

It is completely arbitrary. Someone stubbing their toe and dropping the f-bomb is no different than that same person saying "darn it," except that the former is not considered decent in polite company. Either one voices the same frustration or pain, its just that society decided one word was worse than another for no particular reason.

 

A good example of how some words being considered profane is completely arbitrary is that words that were long ago considered swear words, today are not, and likewise words that were once totally fine for everyday use are now considered completely vulgar. The four letter word beginning with a C that refers to a woman's vagina for example, was once totally fine for every day use. It was the medieval equivalent to the word vagina. Say it today in the wrong place and you're sure to offend someone.

[Rawgrim]

Yes, DAI included some objectionable language which causes me to bench two characters for every session (ie; Iron Bull, Blackwall). Dorian uses a single term if one explores his personal story, but that is also avoidable.

In TW3, this occurs frequently; appears to be unavoidable which is why I choose to pass on it.

TW3 may have the greatest world created to date for all I know, but if the culture of that world is made so purposely repellent, then I shall choose to avoid it.

 

So you shy away from the F-word, but not from killing people (in the game, of course).

[BabyPuncher]

I generally don't mind swearing and do it myself, but there are works out there that overuse it to the point of childishness. I'm reminded of the quote that explanation points are like laughing at your own jokes. Excess profanity is much the same way.

GTA V is a recent example.

[TheOgre]

This thread has turned into something funny. People who aren't even playing this game are still whining about the swearing. 

[Seraphim24]

Yes, DAI included some objectionable language which causes me to bench two characters for every session (ie; Iron Bull, Blackwall). Dorian uses a single term if one explores his personal story, but that is also avoidable.

In TW3, this occurs frequently; appears to be unavoidable which is why I choose to pass on it.

TW3 may have the greatest world created to date for all I know, but if the culture of that world is made so purposely repellent, then I shall choose to avoid it.

 

Ok basing your assessment of the quality of something based on a few swear words is pretty insane to be honest. You might as well say that a filet mignon with .1% of the meat being slightly less tasty than the other 99.9% makes it utterly invalid as a meal.

[herkles]

 

Common is the key; of mediocre or inferior quality; mean; low. It improves nothing, and degrades purposely.

salty sailor: I say to you terriable man, your mother is a wench

low class lout: How dare you good sir, you betrayed me. you foul mongrel cur. 

 

clearly everyone spoke nice and clean and never sweared, certainly not peasents, soliders, sailors, oh and people fighting for their life against monsters of doom and destruction(aka darkspawn and nearly any other sort of monster) we must have language like that because it would offend the delicate ears. 

 

 

The Nilfgaardians and the Nordlings are a nice example of different, but related groups with different, but similar cultures and fashion styles. There's some similarity here between, say, the black-clad, severe-looking Spanish nobles of the 16th century and their far more disorderly, flamboyantly dressed peers from Germany (including the Low Countries).


Nilfgaard seems to have many sources of inspiration (including some really modern ones), but Imperial Spain feels like one of them.

I have to say that I seem to remember that the Nilfgaardian noblewomen in Vizima and the Northern noblebwomen are similarly dressed, however. Anyway, if Nilfgaard and the Northern Kingdoms are anything like late medieval / early modern Europe, fashions would quickly spread, combine and change anyway.

To me it feels like the Northern kingdoms were more late medieval, around the 1400 and early 1500s; with Nilfgaard being around the 1500 and 1600s.

This game is set in a time where peasants were uneducated, people are burned at the stake and fear ruled the day. Sounds pretty realistic when compared to medieval life. It was a brutal time. 

 

I can probaly exusce the witcher because it has its own narrative, plus it draws far more insperation from the renaissance eras of the 1500s then the middle ages. Of course being someone with a passion for history, I could correct you. Notably in the middle ages, burning at the stake was rather rare as the witch burning craze happened after the period.

 

 

 

[BabyPuncher]

It is completely arbitrary. Someone stubbing their toe and dropping the f-bomb is no different than that same person saying "darn it," except that the former is not considered decent in polite company. Either one voices the same frustration or pain, its just that society decided one word was worse than another for no particular reason.

Yes. It's arbitrary. Congratulations on that revelation. Just like about every other facet of human communication and interaction?

There's really not a whole lot objectively carved into the universe as meaningful or better or rational. And yet society endures.

[Saphiron123]

And one may choose to be an informed consumer or not; do not have to buy a product to know that the ingredients listed on the package are not to their liking. Do not have to purchase a book or watch a film when the jacketed and advertised info informs one of the content that may be unsuitable.

But shop away blindly; that's totally cool....

I didn't. I bought it knowing what it was, and I'm enjoying it. We don't all feel as strongly as you do about these things... but dude, this is a thread about the witcher. Why do you feel you have to try and convince us all to dislike it because there's swearing and some heavy storytelling? I'm okay with swearing and violence and heavy situations if it's in service to a good story. I enjoy game of thrones. I enjoy the witcher. I was underwhelmed by DAI but I enjoyed what story there was.

We're comfortable with it, otherwise we wouldn't play it. We can accept that you aren't comfortable with it, you should accept that we can handle it.

[SnakeCode]

Has no problem slaughtering people in the hundreds. Triggered by a little profanity. Classic BSN.