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[TheOgre]

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Now you're spreading misinformation yourself - Tamara tells us exactly how bad the beatings were, when we see her in Oxenfurt.

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She also did not know that her mother went to the crones for help. Or that her mother tried to stab her father. Or that she psychologically bullies him after he came home from the war to find her cheating with another man. Tamara saw only one side, and it was the abuse on his part.

 

The above are spoilers for a major quest in the witcher 3.

[Morty Smith]

Why don´t we take story and spoiler discussions into the off-topic thread.

 

Let´s keep this about general feedback without spoiling Witcher 3, plx.

[VelvetV]

He blamed himself for the miscarriage with his shoving. I don't think he knew until way later.

 

That's what I thought, too. And that's why it rubbed me wrong that while he regretted how his beatings led to miscarriage while talking to Geralt, he didn't seem to regret the beatings per se. So the whole child thing seemed like a cop-out, because if there was none, then he'd be happy with himself, I guess? Just a little lonely and misunderstood wife-beater.

Of course it's relevant. The fact you just admitted you know shows that you're deliberately spreading false information to those who haven't played the game. 

 

It's not only completely irrelevant to the topic I was speaking of, on the contrary, what was relevant for it was that the baron did not know what happened and that he thought differently. Please re-read the post you got a quotation of mine from, or if you do not care to do so, then do not be so hasty to spread false information about my actions in this forum. 

[SnakeCode]

Now you're spreading misinformation yourself - Tamara tells us exactly how bad the beatings were, when we see her in Oxenfurt.

 

Ok, then we aren't told how bad they were by a factual source. We only have Tamara's biased accounts. She clearly hated her father and made no comments on how abusive her mother had been as well. Which means all we have is player interpretation. Was the Baron lying? Was Tamara lying? Who knows? All we know is that the Baron's beatings were not the direct cause of the miscarriage. 

[Elhanan]

Honestly, you continue to perplex me. I'm sincerely trying to understand where you're coming from, not belittle you. I'm utterly confused why someone who is so put off by any kind of sexual, violent and profane content wants to play R rated games where violence and adult content is a staple of the franchise.
 
 
It's like saying I want to eat a big mac, except I don't like burgers, lettuce, cheese, pickles or seeded buns.

Except that I have been playing RPG's (and cRPG's) for 40 years, and the staple was recently included, and is not required. See Skyrim....

[Grieving Natashina]

Guys, would you please either take the Baron story discussion to Off-Topic or at least use spoiler tags?  

[SnakeCode]

Dropping it.

[TheOgre]

Why don´t we take story and spoiler discussions into the off-topic thread.

Let´s keep this about general feedback without spoiling Witcher 3, plx.

Although this is the feedback section I suppose we could all agree to use spoiler tags so that no one is accidentally spoiled.

 

I went ahead and used spoiler tags for my previous posts, FOR YOU and the other people that have not experienced TW3.

[Grieving Natashina]

Thanks, I appreciate it.  

[TheOgre]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

So does every other person.

[herkles]

besides there are other quests in the witcher that are interesting, the various quests of Novigrad for instance

[TheOgre]

besides there are other quests in the witcher that are interesting, the various quests of Novigrad for instance

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Helping Triss and the other mages escape that place from the witch hunters felt pretty fantastic.

 

The above are spoilers for a major quest in the witcher 3.

[Morty Smith]

Although this is the feedback section I suppose we could all agree to use spoiler tags so that no one is accidentally spoiled.

 

I went ahead and used spoiler tags for my previous posts, FOR YOU and the other people that have not experienced TW3.

 

You are a sugarmuffin, thx.

[MoonDrummer]

Has no problem slaughtering people in the hundreds. Triggered by a little profanity. Classic BSN.

Stop mentioning triggers, it really triggers me. 

[TheOgre]

Stop mentioning triggers, it really triggers me. 

 

I'll trigger you...

 

To keep it somewhat on topic in this post of my, holy crap the singing in this game!!

[Ashii6]

The Witchers are pretty emotionless, if thats a word. Side effect of the mutations they undergo. Actually Geralt reminds me abit of Snake in MGS. In a good way. Sexy gravely voice on both. 

Actually, they are not. Books and games prove many times that they DO have feelings and emotions. English Geralt sounds like he has some problems with his throat and needs a medicine asap. I prefer the original one, polish Geralt, voiced by Jacek Rozenek. His sarcasm and irony is just the best ever. Perfect for Geralt. Mr. Rozenek did an amazing job.

[Dreadstruck]

Actually, they are not. Books and games prove many times that they DO have feelings and emotions. English Geralt sounds like he has some problems with his throat and needs a medicine asap. I prefer the original one, polish Geralt, voiced by Jacek Rozenek. His sarcasm and irony is just the best ever. Perfect for Geralt. Mr. Rozenek did an amazing job.

 

True. Most of them are keeping the rumour about not having emotions going on because it helps them in their "cold-blooded killing machine" image, so more people would hire them. Otherwise, they are just as emotive as any other human being.

 

Lambert is the best example of that. I love Lambert.

[KBomb]

VelvetV, on 28 May 2015 - 6:45 PM, said:
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For me the whole baron thing felt like it was almost shoved down my throat that the baron is oh so remorseful, but in a way that seemed shallow and superficial, as if he was merely feeling lonely. There were too many moments that rubbed me wrong. Take his remorse over his unborn child. It's so easy to be remorseful over someone who's done nothing wrong to you, right? And it's no surprise that while he was lamenting about the child there was no mention of commiting a wrong by beating a wife to the point of miscarriage. So it was ok to beat her, he was only remorseful that he accidentally killed the child? Brilliant... Maybe that was just bad writing. But that's what I got from it. So leaving out the rest and the ending, there were too many "fake moments" for me to know whether he was or was not a shallow guy who's going to forget everything in a day or two after drinking himself senseless.

 

Baron Spoilers:

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If you think for one moment the quest and the story it entails has anything to do with singularly showing how remorseful the Baron is, you're deluded or misinformed, or both. He didn't beat his wife to the point she lost the child. She lost her child because of her own actions. Also, please point out to me where anyone stated that he was "okay" to beat her because he was remorseful. I want you to find that exact quote anywhere on this topic. If that is what you took away from that mission, it's clear that you have no understanding of it in any logical form and your opinion is filled with misleading and erroneous information. What people are pointing out is that the entire situation was sick and sad and dysfunctional. Anna was the abuser to begin with. She emotionally and physically abused him and he retaliated in kind. Both are horrible, both should be ashamed, both are dysfunctional and both are wrong. If you think the story had "Fake moments" and wasn't well written, then okay. That is your opinion. The rest of your spiel is built on hyperbole and false information and you should know better.

 

 

 

When I played DA:I, I had no desire to see elves being mistreated in Skyhold. Or to see the rest of my companions laughing at Solas and ridiculing Sera.
Seeing it in the world outside is another matter, but what I already saw was enough for me. Why should I want to ever see cutscenes with how Dalish elves are beaten and raped, hear their screams and see their contorted faces? It would cheapen everything by making their pain into a showcase of gratuitious violence.
I tend to believe that whenever explicit sex or explicit detailed violence are used in games, it's more often that not a commercial trick, and such tricks reduce the value of such a game for me by being so obviously a trick. Very rarely such details are actually relevant and need to be shown in a thorough fashion.
DA:I involves a big-scale war, and it happens to be a perfect game for me. And please stop telling me what I need and don't need to buy. I'll decide what I need on my own.

 

Once again, you rely on hyperbole to represent your argument. Can you please, with spoiler tags, link me or PM me a scene from TW3 that showcases any of that "gratuitous violence that you mention? I can tell you from my experience thus far, the sex scene with Sera is more sexually gratuitous than what I have seen in TW3. You don't have to see an elf being mistreated and beaten, but in DAI, you don't even see an alienage. Hearing the word knife-ear over and over and over as proof of their abuse doesn't draw me in. Reading a codex is informative, but seeing it firsthand packs a more powerful punch. Had they shown a desolate and filthy alienage, or the aftermath of some of the things that happened in Halamshiral, or see the product of their suppression, it would had been more believable.

 

Also, I didn't tell you what to buy or not what to buy. If someone kept telling me how much they think coffee tastes terrible, yet still threw it back, I would suggest they not drink it anymore and perhaps they should try tea. If you dislike key story elements in a video game and it doesn't give you entertainment value, I would suggest you not play it. You're entitled to do as you please. I just wonder why you'd invest time in a game you find even partly repulsive. 

 

 

 

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Yes, and there's teleportation and Geralt can dodge faster than an arrow flies (according to books). That's pretty realistic compared to medieval life. It was a magical time.

 

You totally missed the point, but that isn't surprising anymore.

[Grieving Natashina]

<facepalm>

 

You know, if anyone has a problem with the content, they should go take it up with CDPR.  On their forums, not with the fans here.  Sitting in a thread complaining about the content in another game that you don't intend on ever playing (without a mod) is not doing any good.  If anyone feels that strongly about it, take it up with them. You don't like it, fine.  You don't have to.  Don't click on the thread that's been discussing everything else beyond just the sex and more adult content.  

 

Think that strong language and T&A is a potential problem in BioWare games?  Please start your own feedback thread.  All this is doing is creating a circular debate that's irritating the hell out of everyone.  Including me.  This isn't the place to stand on that soapbox.  Besides, it's completely missing the point of the thread.  Most folks aren't going, "They need to copy this exact quest story beat for beat."  It's more been like, "Hey, I really like how they structured a lot of their quests."

 

As far as strong language and T&A goes, BioWare isn't going to suddenly look at TW's success and immediately rush to copy it.  The DA team will set the level of nudity and language as strong as they'd like.  It's on the customer to start feedback threads about subjects like that.  It makes it a lot easier to make that the focus of one thread instead of keeping up with one that's over 100 pages.  

[Akrabra]

Actually, they are not. Books and games prove many times that they DO have feelings and emotions. English Geralt sounds like he has some problems with his throat and needs a medicine asap. I prefer the original one, polish Geralt, voiced by Jacek Rozenek. His sarcasm and irony is just the best ever. Perfect for Geralt. Mr. Rozenek did an amazing job.

I know, but it is what people think of them. I like that you can prove them wrong, but there are times he admits to beeing unable to react to something or feel it. I haven't really tried the game in Polish, so i wouldn't know how he is there. Would be hard for me to relate though, as i am Norwegian and even with subtitles it wouldnt help me that much. English is like a second language to me now, so sticking to that.

[KBomb]

Another things about the small quests:

 

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I met Trollollol last night and did his quest. It was just a small quest for Geralt to paint something for him and even so; Tollollol had his own personality and cutscene. He was funny and made me want to keep talking to him. The little quest was secondary to meeting him and I still go back to him just to hear him singing songs about eating the soldiers who fall off their horses. (Not a funny topic for a song, but surprisingly, it's hilarious)

 

It just goes to show how much attaching a cutscene with dialog can feel personal and fun--even for just a small fetch quest. 

[Dreadstruck]

<facepalm>

 

You know, if anyone has a problem with the content, they should go take it up with CDPR.  On their forums, not with the fans here.  Sitting in a thread complaining about the content in another game that you don't intend on ever playing (without a mod) is not doing any good.  If anyone feels that strongly about it, take it up with them. You don't like it, fine.  You don't have to.  Don't click on the thread that's been discussing everything else beyond just the sex and more adult content.  

 

Think that strong language and T&A is a potential problem in BioWare games?  Please start your own feedback thread.  All this is doing is creating a circular debate that's irritating the hell out of everyone.  Including me.  This isn't the place to stand on that soapbox.  Besides, it's completely missing the point of the thread.  Most folks aren't going, "They need to copy this exact quest story beat for beat."  It's more been like, "Hey, I really like they structured a lot of their quests."

 

As far as strong language and T&A goes, BioWare isn't going to suddenly look at TW's success and immediately rush to copy it.  The DA team will set the level of nudity and language as strong as they'd like.  It's on the customer to start feedback threads about subjects like that.  It makes it a lot easier to make that the focus of one thread instead of keeping up with one that's over 100 pages.  

 

Thank you. You've pretty much said what I wanted to. Just more eloquently and in better english than mine.

[TheOgre]

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Dealing with Junior made me feel good. That sick scoundrel (originally said f'er, but edited because spoilers don't censor apparently..

 

The above are spoilers for a major quest in the witcher 3.

[Elhanan]

<facepalm>
 
You know, if anyone has a problem with the content, they should go take it up with CDPR.  On their forums, not with the fans here.  Sitting in a thread complaining about the content in another game that you don't intend on ever playing (without a mod) is not doing any good.  If anyone feels that strongly about it, take it up with them. You don't like it, fine.  You don't have to.  Don't click on the thread that's been discussing everything else beyond just the sex and more adult content.  
 
Think that strong language and T&A is a potential problem in BioWare games?  Please start your own feedback thread.  All this is doing is creating a circular debate that's irritating the hell out of everyone.  Including me.  This isn't the place to stand on that soapbox.  Besides, it's completely missing the point of the thread.  Most folks aren't going, "They need to copy this exact quest story beat for beat."  It's more been like, "Hey, I really like they structured a lot of their quests."
 
As far as strong language and T&A goes, BioWare isn't going to suddenly look at TW's success and immediately rush to copy it.  The DA team will set the level of nudity and language as strong as they'd like.  It's on the customer to start feedback threads about subjects like that.  It makes it a lot easier to make that the focus of one thread instead of keeping up with one that's over 100 pages.

The idea that TW3 could learn from DAI and allow for better Player control over objectionable content is on point. Currently, this is not a viable option, but one that could be fixed.

DAI could add mounted combat.

[Han Shot First]

Not the point, though I believe folks are indeed hurt. The notion that such language does nothing to improve the remaining content; it's purpose is to degrade.

 

Who is being degraded exactly? A collection of pixels?

 

Sometimes swear words do serve a purpose in works of fiction. For starters it might make more sense for the characters the author is writing to use profanity based on their background. You wouldn't want a group of outlaw bikers for example sounding like a group of church-going old ladies. Or at least you wouldn't if the characters are supposed to be taken seriously. 

 

In a game like DA or the Witcher it might make sense for some of the common soldiers to use it, because soldiers have always been notoriously profane. Priests on the other hand? Probably not so much. It really depends on the characters.