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[KBomb]

Sorry just trying to talk normally and defend and explain myself. The person was openly agressive towards me, and some people even liked his post. I keep hearing there is an ignore list here, maybe I need to research that function. But I'd rather not hide from people who merely insult others, it seems lame (although responding to them is probably equally lame).

I didn't insult you. Pointing out that your response is centered around hyperbole isn't insulting you. It is pointing out flaws in your argument. Saying that you missed my point and that by this point that fact doesn't surprise me isn't being aggressive. I apologize if you felt attacked, that was not my intention and considering the heat of your post to which I replied to, I am surprised you felt that way.

Spoiler

My opinion of the Baron, the quest and knowing of Anna isn't meta-gaming. I completed the quest in its entirety which led me to my conclusions. You have no inkling of what I felt during the quest because I never mentioned such. I am not sure you finished the quest or not, but you find out about Anna and the baby quite a bit before the ending. Again, it isn't meta-gaming to complete a quest and make a judgement based on the end result. That argument would only apply if I made the judgement using knowledge that I knew previously without the conclusion of the facts.

As for the rest of the Baron's quest, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. It's just become a circular argument that gets no where. It's clear that we have different opinions on what a dark and grim story entails and the subjects that illicit such details. I don't want this topic locked. Also, in ending: I am a "her".

[SofaJockey]

They use the f-bomb and that's your reason? I've heard stranger reasons I suppose.

 

These are all reasons that may be respected, no-one should be forced to play a game, even to give general views on it.

I recall tell of someone returning Bioshock infinite because they would not participate in a subverted baptism.

 

Mileage varies.

 

i'm pleased that TW3 is out now (not least so I can play it)

because it can be assessed as the game it is, not as an idealised concept from a trailer.

 

DAI is a solid game, but because of Frostbite 3, it lacks some of the 'trimmings'.

TW3 has some of those trimmings, but has other issues.

 

I'd say both are very enjoyable;

Liking one does not require hating the other.

 

DAI remains my weekend DAIMP pleasure.

TW3 is going well, particularly as I have left the Hinterlands Velen and have arrived in Solstheim Skellige. 

[SnakeCode]

I don't see how we can provide feedback about elements from TW3 for any silent devs then without risk of spoiler then. The examples provided thus far are specific because it has to be. Spoiler is our only last hope to keep it from being accidentally leaked to someone still interested in playing the game themselves. 

 

As you said their only way to prevent being spoiled then would be to not subscribe and everyone adhere to the 'spoilers' when using real examples from tw3.

 

Well, maybe the OP could add something like "TW3 spoilers inside." That way people who don't want to be spoiled only have themselves to blame, because it's kind of ridiculous that we have to give all of our feedback in spoiler tags in a thread specifically made to give feedback.. In order to touch on things like quest design, or tone, or characters we're going to have to give some specific examples. 

[Das Tentakel]

Well, maybe the OP could add something like "TW3 spoilers inside." That way people who don't want to be spoiled only have themselves to blame, because it's kind of ridiculous that we have to give all of our feedback in spoiler tags in a thread specifically made to give feedback.. In order to touch on things like quest design, or tone, or characters we're going to have to give some specific examples. 

 

Good idea, in the thread title of course.

[DragonsDream]

Poster 1: Hey X, be more like Y. Here are some example of Y that I think are good and you should draw inspiration from.

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discussion

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Poster 73 (after reading the thread to this point) Hey, I was going to play Y but now you've spoiled it for me!

Poster 1:

[VelvetV]

This thread is very shy and moderate with spoilers, I think. Another one that exists on this forum, called "Discussion of TW3, Take 2" can't be read at all. I subscribed to it initially, then quickly unsubscribed when I saw what was going on there and never looked inside again. Major and end game spoilers everywhere? Not my cup of tea. Here the baron thing was popular but pretty much nothing else.

 

That said, the discussion here kind of regressed into senseless arguing. I'm tired of this. When I write a post I don't really write it to be objected to in a scathing manner with a banner thrown over the shoulder and words "I own the ultimate truth" written all over it. And it's unlikely that devs actually read it anyway or if they did, they dropped it when repetition started to set in. Everything constructive that could be said was already said, imho, it's not like someone will suddenly come up with a revelation that others didn't already think of.

[Akrabra]

This thread is very shy and moderate with spoilers, I think. Another one that exists on this forum, called "Discussion of TW3, Take 2" can't be read at all. I subscribed to it initially, then quickly unsubscribed when I saw what was going on there and never looked inside again. Major and end game spoilers everywhere? Not my cup of tea. Here the baron thing was popular but pretty much nothing else.

 

That said, the discussion here kind of regressed into senseless arguing. I'm tired of this. When I write a post I don't really write it to be objected to in a scathing manner with a banner thrown over the shoulder and words "I own the ultimate truth" written all over it. And it's unlikely that devs actually read it anyway or if they did, they dropped it when repetition started to set in. Everything constructive that could be said was already said, imho, it's not like someone will suddenly come up with a revelation that others didn't already think of.

I think alot of people working at Bioware will probably play The Witcher 3 on their own free time and find things they like about it. Those things can then later inspire them while working on a new project. I think they are already aware of the sidequests in DA:I lacking content, its not like its a secret. Even Jaws Of Hakkon improved abit on it, and we'll see more of that going forward. There is definately alot both developers could learn from eachother and probably already have. 

[Shechinah]

I think alot of people working at Bioware will probably play The Witcher 3 on their own free time and find things they like about it. Those things can then later inspire them while working on a new project. I think they are already aware of the sidequests in DA:I lacking content, its not like its a secret. Even Jaws Of Hakkon improved abit on it, and we'll see more of that going forward. There is definately alot both developers could learn from eachother and probably already have. 

Pretty much, yeah, especially since I've heard that apparently both Bioware and CD Projekt reminds their respective fanbases that liking a game developed by their team does not mean you cannot like a game developed by the other team. 

[AresKeith]

I think alot of people working at Bioware will probably play The Witcher 3 on their own free time and find things they like about it. Those things can then later inspire them while working on a new project. I think they are already aware of the sidequests in DA:I lacking content, its not like its a secret. Even Jaws Of Hakkon improved abit on it, and we'll see more of that going forward. There is definately alot both developers could learn from eachother and probably already have. 

 

They are, DG himself is trying to find time to play it in free time

[Shechinah]

In addition, there were also the twitter posts in which the Dragon Age team congratulated the Witcher team on their launch and I quote; "Congrats to the @witchergame team on their launch. Great to see all the hard work pay off!" to which the Witcher team apparently responded with; "@dragon age Thanks Guys. Looking forward to more adventures in Ferelden. "  

 

"We fully admire what Dragon Age has achieved with a couple game of the year awards and it is really nice. I played that game and I really enjoyed it, but we are approaching a slightly different kind of experience" - Tomasz Jarbowski on Dragon Age versus Witcher comparisons.

 

Personally, I do not mind comparisons threads or feedback threads about how features from different games could be used to improve other games. What I do personally mind is the shaming of a company that developed a game.   

[herkles]

In addition, there were also the twitter posts in which the Dragon Age team congratulated the Witcher team on their launch and I quote; "Congrats to the @witchergame team on their launch. Great to see all the hard work pay off!" to which the Witcher team apparently responded with; "@dragon age Thanks Guys. Looking forward to more adventures in Ferelden. "  

 

"We fully admire what Dragon Age has achieved with a couple game of the year awards and it is really nice. I played that game and I really enjoyed it, but we are approaching a slightly different kind of experience" - Tomasz Jarbowski on Dragon Age versus Witcher comparisons.

 

Personally, I do not mind comparisons threads or feedback threads about how features from different games could be used to improve other games. What I do personally mind is the shaming of a company that developed a game.   

Yea, this I strongly agree with. I like both games, they are not the same nor do I want them to be.

 

The thing is that most of what I want has been things that people been asking for and saying they want to see in the next dragon age after Inquistion came out and people had the chance to beat it, without ever playing the witcher. I just use the witcher as an example of how they did things well, such as the city of Novigrad, quests, and the world feeling alive. 

[Torgette]

In addition, there were also the twitter posts in which the Dragon Age team congratulated the Witcher team on their launch and I quote; "Congrats to the @witchergame team on their launch. Great to see all the hard work pay off!" to which the Witcher team apparently responded with; "@dragon age Thanks Guys. Looking forward to more adventures in Ferelden. "

"We fully admire what Dragon Age has achieved with a couple game of the year awards and it is really nice. I played that game and I really enjoyed it, but we are approaching a slightly different kind of experience" - Tomasz Jarbowski on Dragon Age versus Witcher comparisons.

Personally, I do not mind comparisons threads or feedback threads about how features from different games could be used to improve other games. What I do personally mind is the shaming of a company that developed a game.

Professionals going to be professional.

As for the game itself, a weekend coming up sounds like a good marathon time!

[herkles]

Professionals going to be professional.

As for the game itself, a weekend coming up sounds like a good marathon time!

you will need more then a single weekend

[Seraphim24]

These are all reasons that may be respected, no-one should be forced to play a game, even to give general views on it.

I recall tell of someone returning Bioshock infinite because they would not participate in a subverted baptism.

 

Mileage varies.

 

i'm pleased that TW3 is out now (not least so I can play it)

because it can be assessed as the game it is, not as an idealised concept from a trailer.

 

DAI is a solid game, but because of Frostbite 3, it lacks some of the 'trimmings'.

TW3 has some of those trimmings, but has other issues.

 

I'd say both are very enjoyable;

Liking one does not require hating the other.

 

DAI remains my weekend DAIMP pleasure.

TW3 is going well, particularly as I have left the Hinterlands Velen and have arrived in Solstheim Skellige. 

 

They should totally be disrespected that's the dumbest reason I've ever heard, provided the person plays any other video games basically at all.

 

When people use exceedingly arbitrary bullet points like (swearing) it usually substitutes for an innate grasp of the subject matter.

[Elhanan]

Rather take some flak for taking a stand on profanity than believing that I am the standard for social behavior....

Would like to have a toolkit in DAI some time in the future.

[Han Shot First]

I wouldn't mind a profanity filter for those who object to profanity, even though I don't understand the reasons behind that objection. Of course that would mean bleeped or muted dialogue however, which might not appeal to those who don't want profanity in their game.

 

I would object strongly to any requests that the devs purposely avoid using any profanity in their scripts however. I wouldn't want the writers to self-censor just because a character's dialogue might offend someone. I'd rather they focus solely on writing interesting characters, dialogue, and stories, regardless of whether or not those characters, stories, or dialogue might offend some people.

[Elhanan]

I wouldn't mind a profanity filter for those who object to profanity, even though I don't understand the reasons behind that objection. Of course that would mean bleeped or muted dialogue however, which might not appeal to those who don't want profanity in their game.
 
I would object strongly to any requests that the devs purposely avoid using any profanity in their scripts however. I wouldn't want the writers to self-censor just because a character's dialogue might offend someone. I'd rather they focus solely on writing interesting characters, dialogue, and stories, regardless of whether or not those characters, stories, or dialogue might offend some people.

Personally prefer self-censorship - the choice to use other interjections - than using profanity filters like the units being sold in some locations currently.

[Seraphim24]

Rather take some flak for taking a stand on profanity than believing that I am the standard for social behavior....

Would like to have a toolkit in DAI some time in the future.

 

Projecting, and yeah between me and you I'll take that chance of saying someone who doesn't blink at slaughtering millions of people but freaks out at the first sight of a cuss is off their rocker.

[Elhanan]

Projecting, and yeah between me and you I'll take that chance of saying someone who doesn't blink at slaughtering millions of people but freaks out at the first sight of a cuss is off their rocker.

As opposed to those that prefer to have it all; so much better....
 

[Han Shot First]

Personally prefer self-censorship - the choice to use other interjections - than using profanity filters like the units being sold in some locations currently.

 

That wouldn't make sense for some characters however.

 

If you're dealing with hardened mercenaries for example they shouldn't say quaint things like, "Gosh darn it." Actually as far as profanity goes I think the series could benefit from digging up some archaic swear words to add quasi-medieval atmosphere. The Witcher 3 is great at this, with whoreson being an insult frequently used by characters. Also religious swearing should come into play. "Maker damn you, whoreson!" "Andraste's c--t, have you gone mad?" Ect., Ect.

[Akrabra]

Wasn't this thread finally back on track and off the profanity "issue"?

[Seraphim24]

As opposed to those that prefer to have it all; so much better....
 

 

Not even sure what that means, anyway DA and TW both have swearing at any rate.

 

 

Wasn't this thread finally back on track and off the profanity "issue"?

 

Yeah sorry, just feels like the internet gets crazier and crazier by the minute.

[Elhanan]

That wouldn't make sense for some characters however.
 
If you're dealing with hardened mercenaries for example they shouldn't say quaint things like, "Gosh darn it." Actually as far as profanity goes I think the series could benefit from digging up some archaic swear words to add quasi-medieval atmosphere. The Witcher 3 is great at this, with whoreson being an insult frequently used by characters.

And I like the clever lines as in DAO that made ref to the 'King's wiper'; made the point w/o being profane.

[Han Shot First]

And I like the clever lines as in DAO that made ref to the 'King's wiper'; made the point w/o being profane.

 

There should be a little bit of both. It better reflects how people have always talked. There are always some people who use profanity and some types of people are more prone to it.

 

Bioware avoiding it entirely because it might offend less than probably 1% of the fanbase is a little silly, IMO. The amount of people offended by salty language in fiction is minuscule. 

[AmberDragon]

There should be a little bit of both. It better reflects how people have always talked. There are always some people who use profanity and some types of people are more prone to it.

Bioware avoiding it entirely because it might offend less than probably 1% of the fanbase is a little silly, IMO. The amount of people offended by salty language in fiction is minuscule.

Exactly, I don't see why writers and devs should censor games because of a minority who can't cope with a bit of profanity (which is perfectly justified and related to the type of characters) and a small amount of nudity. Sorry but if people can't cope with that in Adult rated games then they need to just not buy those games and not demand that everything gets changed to suit them. It'ss a bit juvenile to worry about bad language or a small amount of nudity in a game that deals with war and slaughtering people and monsters in my opinion and I would much prefer my games uncensored, I am old enough to choose if I wish to buy or play a game.

As for certain people who keep trying to derail this thread with their repeated statement that they won't be buying Witcher because of it's profanity and nudity, WE GET IT ALREADY! YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP BANGING ON ABOUT IT! Stop trying to derail the thread and go away or learn to stay on topic!