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#2676
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The performances were better in Dragon Age: Inquisition. I mean, the ones in the Witcher 3 did fine, but don't match DAI's level of voice work.


I don't like triss or dandelions voice acting

But I found quite a few voice actors to be spectacular in tw3. I disagree.
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I don't like triss or dandelions voice acting

But I found quite a few voice actors to be spectacular in tw3. I disagree.

As I said, the VAs in TW3 didn't do bad. They were just inferior to the VAs in DAI in my opinion. 



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We're all talking about the English versions, right?

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Hanako Ikezawa

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We're all talking about the English versions, right?

I am, yes. 



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English Geralt sounds like he's watched Nolan's Batman and thought Bale's voice is cool to imitate. I prefer Geralt in Polish VO.



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I like Geralt's english VA and I understand why they chose him for the role


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English Geralt sounds like he's watched Nolan's Batman and thought Bale's voice is cool to imitate. I prefer Geralt in Polish VO.

 

Witchers don't show emotion, in their face or voice. The voice actor did a pretty good job in getting that across.


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I like Geralt's english VA and I understand why they chose him for the role

 

Even though I personally don't like Geralt's voice I can see why they chose him too 



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What does being a mutant have to do with apparently having the inability to verbally emote? The entire cast of X-Men are mutants too, but they can do it. Other Witchers in the series are capable of sounding like they at least pretend to care.

Um, okay.  You do realize that Geralt is not a mutant like in X-men and also... Witchers do not have emotions. :lol:



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Witchers don't show emotion, in their face or voice. The voice actor did a pretty good job in getting that across.

 

 

What makes you think Polish one didn't? He just has a more pleasant, less forced voice.



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Um, okay.  You do realize that Geralt is not a mutant like in X-men and also... Witchers do not have emotions. :lol:

 

Witchers DO have emotions. And Geralt is actually a pretty emotional person - in books people even point out how whiny he can be a times.



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Witchers DO have emotions. And Geralt is actually a pretty emotional person - in books people even address how whiny he can be a times.

No they don't. Geralt has some but very little. Probably due to how he mutated. But not having emotions doesn't mean being a robot.  They can laugh et al.  But they will never be as expressive as a normal person.  Geralt mentions this multiple times. This was even a big concern for them while

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The process of becoming a Witcher strips emotions.
 



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What makes you think Polish one didn't? He just has a more pleasant, less forced voice.

 

I haven't heard the Polish Voice Actor, (because I don't know how to speak Polish) but it was more to do with the delivery of said voice, not the voice itself. At first, I was thinking, "Why is his voice near the same tone for everything?" so I looked into it and discovered it's because Witchers in general can't show emotion.

 

The voice itself, I think it fits. Geralt is just over a century old now, so after decades of fighting and being near death countless times, it's going to have an impact not only on his appearance. The voice fits.


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#2689
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Witchers DO have emotions. And Geralt is actually a pretty emotional person - in books people even point out how whiny he can be a times.

 

I meant to say they can't show it, not that they don't have any.

 

Edit:

 

That wasn't even for me. *shakes head* Screw being tired when you wake up. :lol:



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Witchers DO have emotions. And Geralt is actually a pretty emotional person - in books people even point out how whiny he can be a times.

 

Geralt is really emotional in the games, too. Just because he's a bit of a deadpan snarker and generally level-headed doesn't mean he's not emotional. I mean, the whole point of his story at the start of TW3 is this gripping emotional tale of hunting down Yen. And he has this haunting dream which serves as our introduction. TW3 Geralt gets an unfair shake in this regard because while he's very much the strong silent type he's actually a rich character. 


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No they don't. Geralt has some but very little. Probably due to how he mutated. But not having emotions doesn't mean being a robot.  They can laugh et al.  But they will never be as expressive as a normal person.  Geralt mentions this multiple times. This was even a big concern for them while

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The process of becoming a Witcher strips emotions.
 

 

Lecturing me on series I know like back of my hand, ey?

The Trial Of Grasses and the way they're raised makes them somewhat emotionally stunted, but it DOESN'T strip them of emotions. We see that many times in games, and it's even more notable in books, when we're actually actively in Geralt's head and see how he is, really.

 

I even remember that one excerpt from book when he overhears two sorceresses talking about him and mentioning that they wouldn't mind having sex with him ("I'd do it with him even on a rock" "And I - even on a hedgehog!") and he nearly chokes on food, only to think to himself that he's grateful that the Trial pretty much burned out the small blood vessels in his face, otherwise he'd be blushing all over.

 

So much for being "stripped off emotions".

 

The fact that he loves Yen (even if their relationship is complicated) and has a strong father-daughter relationship with Ciri also tells a lot about him - and his feelings are palpable both in books AND games.

 

But sure, Geralt will be telling people that the Trial strips Witchers of emotions - he told so in books, but mostly in a bout of self-pity. Which, as I pointed out already, is kinda his thing.


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#2692
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I never said that he had -no emotions- otherwise yeah, what about Ciri and the others? I do believe however it's a lot harder for him to express those emotions outwardly.

 

I think his voice actor did fantastic work with his character. I've never heard of the Polish VA because I didn't get a bad impression from his VA to become curious enough to do so.

 

This is becoming one of those - back and forth's where no progress would ever be made between groups. You don't like his voice acting, some do. So I suggest we drop it and talk about something else.


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#2693
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Lecturing me on series I know like a back of my hand, ey

I won't proclaim to know the series "Like the back of my hand."  I didn't read the books, I've mostly read through several discussions about them though because I'm interested in reading them in the future. From what I gather.  Mutations are meant to strip emotions but due to additional experiments, Geralt retained some of his. 

 

Quotes from a discussion about the books and Witcher emotions.

 

From 'The Sword of Destiny,' Geralt to Yen:

"And from that pristine whiteness, spring emerges," he said "And Aedd Gynvael appears, an ugly city with a beautiful name. Aedd Gynvael and its pile of trash, a huge stinking heap of garbage that I have to enter because I'm paid to do so, because I was created to deal with the filth that fills others with fear and disgust. I have been deprived of the ability to feel, so I was not able to feel the horror of that disgusting squalor, so I would not retreat nor flee before it, full of dread. Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

 

The newest book, Season of storms has a quote that goes something like this:

That was hectic - Sighed Addario Bach, as soon as doors shut behind the three - Dammit, my hands are still shaky, yours aren't?
No - Geralt smiled at his memories - in that regard i'm a little... handicaped.

 

Mutations as a cause for the lack of emotions are also referenced several times ingame.

 

Baron: "You're a cold hearted bastard..."

Geralt: "The mutations worked, then."

 

There's another quest which Geralt warns the actor troupe of his lack of emotional expression.

 

And of course

Spoiler

 

From what I understand, the common folks see Witchers as "heartless killing machines" And from this fans have interpreted it as Witchers believing the gossip said about them.  Once again, this is fan interpretation not a real answer.  IMO, I find it difficult to believe that Witchers wouldn't know whether they have emotions and thus must rely on gossip to tell them about themselves.  However, Witcher's aren't heartless killing machines, it's an embellishment.  They just don't feel the same as regular people and Geralt is different overall, but still not the same as normal people.

 

As for his love of Yen, Triss, and Ciri. I do think Geralt loves them and have a deep bond with them...*for him*.  Not as a regular person. 

 

As for the Polish VA. Never heard him.  If his selling point is him being more expressive, then I'm not sold on him over the English VA. 

 

 

Edit: I'll drop it, As TheOrge said, it's a discussion that's more about personal tastes and would just be a back and forth


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This is becoming one of those - back and forth's where no progress would ever be made between groups. You don't like his voice acting, some do. So I suggest we drop it and talk about something else.

 

I'm sorry, but you can't blame for starting anything here or ascribe any sort of ill will on my part here - I simply said that I prefer Polish VO and pretty much left it at that; everything else I commented on later was on the misconception that Geralt is supposedly near-purged from emotion.

 

 

 

From 'The Sword of Destiny,' Geralt to Yen:

 
"And from that pristine whiteness, spring emerges," he said "And Aedd Gynvael appears, an ugly city with a beautiful name. Aedd Gynvael and its pile of trash, a huge stinking heap of garbage that I have to enter because I'm paid to do so, because I was created to deal with the filth that fills others with fear and disgust. I have been deprived of the ability to feel, so I was not able to feel the horror of that disgusting squalor, so I would not retreat nor flee before it, full of dread. Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

 

Could you please read my comments more carefully?? I said that Geralt mentions the supposed emotion wiping in book - and that he does it in a bout of self-pity, which I'd like to point out, is exactly what he does in the quote you've presented. It's so laden with feelings that I'm surprised you even thought of using it as evidence to support your claim.

It's even more obvious how badly this quote serves you when you read it in context of story it was taken from* - and that particular quote is from part that is probably one of the most emotional and intimate moments between Geralt and Yen (and probably the most melodramatic piece of prose Sapkowski has written for this series).

 

*And just to prove that I'm not talking nonsense - here's a piece of the story you took your quote from:

Spoiler

 

So many feels!

Spoiler

 

Just to make it clear - Geralt is one of those people who will use hings like supposed purge of emotions as both a shield in certain situations or when he has his "oh woe is me" moments. But just because he states that he's apparently deprived of (most) emotions, doesn't mean that he literally means it - especially when books (and games as well) provide us evidence that it's on the contrary.

 

 

 

IMO, I find it difficult to believe that Witchers wouldn't know whether they have emotions and thus must rely on gossip to tell them about themselves.  However, Witcher's aren't heartless killing machines, it's an embellishment.  They just don't feel the same as regular people and Geralt is different overall, but still not the same as normal people.

 

Saying that they don't feel the same as regular people and saying that the process of becoming a Witcher "strips emotions" are two different things.


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No by all means don't drop the topic. I've learned far more about W3 through this thread than by way of written reviews or the official forums. Think of all those lurkers yo. (This was yelled from the sidelines.)

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With this talk of polish Vs english VA's I'd be curious to do a play through in the Polish language with english subtitles if such a thing is possible.

Not that I mind the job the bloke that does the english language voice. I think he adds that underlying touch of menace like Jack Bauer.

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With this talk of polish Vs english VA's I'd be curious to do a play through in the Polish language with english subtitles if such a thing is possible.

 

Yes it is! I actually play that way (I'm this used to playing - or using any software, in fact - in English, I can't go "full Polish" anymore :D). 


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With this talk of polish Vs english VA's I'd be curious to do a play through in the Polish language with english subtitles if such a thing is possible.

I recommend that you give it a try... I played Metro 2033 with original Russian VAs and English subtitles, and I found it worked quite nicely for me.


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As I said, the VAs in TW3 didn't do bad. They were just inferior to the VAs in DAI in my opinion. 

I disagree, on the whole. The bad VAs in TW3 are REALLY bad such as Dandelion and Letho (that accent!) but I think the general quality of the acting in better, even Triss was bearable this time around. I've always thought since the first game that the VAs in DA tend to over act. I think TW3 could've done with a greater variety of actors though. Every other character seems to be the VA of Roche, Ves, Blackwall or Iorveth. They do a good job of doing different voices and accents though, so it isn't off putting like Oblivion/Skyrim.



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As I said, the VAs in TW3 didn't do bad. They were just inferior to the VAs in DAI in my opinion. 

 

While I think that The Witcher 3 is a much better game than Dragon Age: Inquisition overall, I do agree with this. The Dragon Age series on the whole has had much better voice acting than the Witcher series, and while the quality of voice acting has steadily improved with each game in the Witcher series, DA:I was still better than TW3 in that regard.

 

The problem with the English language version of the Witcher games is that while you get quality voice acting (Yennefer, Ciri, the Bloody Baron, Zoltan, Emhyr, ect) you also get some outright terrible performances, like Dandelion or Triss. None of the DA games ever had that problem. Having said that, the Witcher series is made by a Polish company. So maybe the original Polish language version is better.


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