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[KBomb]

Shows how two-faced the fanbase really is

Only if it's the exact same group of fans.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Origins had it's plusses but it wasn't amazing. I found it worthy of criticism, but not nearly as lacking as Inquisition.

[Eelectrica]

The interesting point is that the same criticism was leveled at DAO. It appears many tend to forget about that.

Probably different people. Probably.
I thought the interface for Origins was spot on.

[Grieving Natashina]

Also, nostalgia is one helluva drug.  I don't think anyone's being two faced, I think that they are looking back with some rose tinted glasses.  

[AresKeith]

Also, nostalgia is one helluva drug.  I don't think anyone's being two faced, I think that they are looking back with some rose tinted glasses.  

 

I mean two faced as in one side wants something another wants something and they end up complaining about each other

 

Though I wouldn't be surprised if a couple was the same people

[Eelectrica]

Also, nostalgia is one helluva drug. I don't think anyone's being two faced, I think that they are looking back with some rose tinted glasses.

I did a completionist play through of Origins shortly before Inquisition launched. I think it still holds up. Not so much visually of course. Got a little tired of the same dull brown after a while. Apart from that it's still excellent.

[Namea]

Let's also add in some pointless explicit sex scenes and make absolutely sure that nearly every female in the game exists only to swoon over the main character.

[KBomb]

The reviews for TW3 have been impressive, I must say. The lowest that I have seen is 8/10, but there is an incredible amount of perfect scores or very close to it. It's going to be interesting to see how it measures up.

@Namea

All sex scenes are pointless, explicit or not. The Witcher series has a good amount of powerful female characters who don't wish to sleep with Geralt and you're not forced to sleep with those who do.

Besides, Geralt can't help that he is damn fine.

[ScifiSOS]

I like DA: I the way it is, it has its own issues too and hopefully many things will be addressed with time. Especially the multiplayer - since I have more issues with that than the actual game. But it isn't a bad game and I'm glad its not like The Witcher series in general. 

 

I like playing female characters, the only reason I can stand Geralt is because I find the sexual content more amusing then sexual. It's funny how women throw themselves at him. I want some male characters to do the same just to see the reaction of Geralt, because he's obviously a ladies man.

 

But I kind of agree with open world sandboxes. It just seems less taxing on computers. It still has a loading time but its not as bad as it could be. The Witcher 3 complete open world seems like a cool idea - but it is daunting. Witcher 3 isn't out yet. The tune might change when glitches and issues occur with the open world. It is beautiful, what they have shown. But that is with the best computer set up possible. I'm almost afraid what first time load and loading up the game will be like when I want to play.

[Namea]

The reviews for TW3 have been impressive, I must say. The lowest that I have seen is 8/10, but there is an incredible amount of perfect scores or very close to it. It's going to be interesting to see how it measures up.

@Namea

All sex scenes are pointless, explicit or not. The Witcher series has a good amount of powerful female characters who don't wish to sleep with Geralt and you're not forced to sleep with those who do.

Besides, Geralt can't help that he is damn fine.

 

And inquisition got great ratings too before it launched. So did AC:Unity. Most games do when it's just the reviewers and not regular gamers playing it. 

[Grieving Natashina]

And inquisition got great ratings too before it launched. So did AC:Unity. Most games do when it's just the reviewers and not regular gamers playing it. 

I was thinking the same thing.  I have no problem with the Witcher series.  I really think the RPG market is big enough to handle a few big games from the various Western game studios.  I've never understood the desire to wish a company ill because it might compete with another company.  It's not like CDPR or BioWare are in danger of falling apart due to the possible success of TW3 or the current success DA:I, despite what some of the doomsayers like to say.  I think the "My Game is Better Than Your Game" mentality in the gaming community is usually silly, and this is no exception.

 

I might give the series another shot, and it does look pretty good.  Still, I would advise anyone excited about the game to exercise a little caution when it comes to good reviews pre-release.  If anyone pre-ordered, then I sincerely hope the game is as good as it looks thus far.  If you haven't, I would really hold off until after the game has been out for a few weeks before buying it.  For those that I know are disappointed in DA:I, it would suck to happen twice.  

[KBomb]

And inquisition got great ratings too before it launched. So did AC:Unity. Most games do when it's just the reviewers and not regular gamers playing it.

Umm where did I say otherwise? I have stated before-- and in this very thread-- that I take reviews with a grain of salt.

I was making a statement that the game is getting rave reviews and how I thought it would be interesting to see how it measured up.

Peace, me saying something positive about the TW3 reviews by no means equates that it must be better than DAI or any other game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Quests and decisions that have consequences, a proper open world, much less pointless harvesting and looting, and much better gameplay. Also CD Projekt Red is giving out Free DLC specifically to divert from the greedy norm. Putting this game to shame.

 

Yes, requiring people to pay for hard work is so greedy. An intellectual being such as yourself is probably also aware that the Polish government subsidizes CDPR's development. It's pretty easy to hand out free DLC when you are already being paid for it.

[SardaukarElite]

I think the "My Game is Better Than Your Game" mentality in the gaming community is usually silly, and this is no exception.

 

I think it's more about establishing your own identity than economics.

 

 

And inquisition got great ratings too before it launched. So did AC:Unity. Most games do when it's just the reviewers and not regular gamers playing it. 

 

What is a "regular gamer"?

[DragonKingReborn]

Also, nostalgia is one helluva drug.  I don't think anyone's being two faced, I think that they are looking back with some rose tinted glasses.

It definitely is that, although I don't know if 5 years is enough of a timeframe to get nostalgia kicking in to any great extent. For me, Origins definitely still holds up (as Eelectrica said, visuals aside), having played it post two Inquisition playthroughs.

As to the point of the thread, not that Bioware need my permission, but please no, don't be more like the Witcher. Be more like Origins with the best of DA 2 and DA:I. I like the Witcher, although Geralt himself is hugely unlikeable. I don't need another game like the Witcher from a developer who has proven they're good at other things.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think it's more about establishing your own identity than economics.

 

I understand that part, although that is a good point.  

 

I figure we are all into video games and since we're on this board, we all like various RPGs.  I can wrap my head around it intellectually, but I will never fully grasp why some folks feel a need to push this "either or" mentality.  I figure if someone likes the Witcher series and DA, I'm happy for them.  That means that have yet another (in their opinion) great RPG series to choose from.   I know it sounds kinda naive, but it makes a little sad that the gaming community has to bicker constantly when the conversation hits the web.  In this case, I wish more folks would take the time to enjoy our similarities where they lie in games, instead of constantly trying to put each other down.

 

This seems to be primarily on the internet, at least from my experiences.  Offline, usually when I'm talking to friends and strangers (like at game stores) about games, the conversation would more go like this:

 

Player A: "Hey, I like the Witcher."  

Player B: "Right on, I prefer DA."  

Player A: "Awesome that we have finally have several good RPGs.  Remember how scarce they seemed for awhile back in 2005?"  

Player B: "Yeah, no doubt.  Both of the series sound good though.  May we get our money's worth."

Player A: "I hope you have fun and enjoy!"

Player B: "You too!"

[SnakeCode]

Let's also add in some pointless explicit sex scenes and make absolutely sure that nearly every female in the game exists only to swoon over the main character.

 

Right, because Bioware titles don't have sex scenes or characters that want to bang you...

 

You can always tell when someone has never played the games. In The Witcher 2 there are 5 named characters that you can have sex with, the only difference between them and Bioware titles is that you can sleep with 2-3 of them in the same playthrough (though i've heard that this is also possible for certain characters in Inquisition depending on how far down the romance arc the sex scene is.)

 

The only reason The Witcher games keep getting these accusations thrown at them (many of them completely untrue) and Bioware don't is because Bioware were smart enough to call them "romances." The content (in Inquisition) is very similar, a bit of build up and then a sex scene. One is referred to as a romance, the other is referred to as a "pointless explicit sex scene" or ****** material for immature 14 year olds.

[Farci Reprimer]

 

I figure we are all into video games and since we're on this board, we all like various RPGs.  I can wrap my head around it intellectually, but I will never fully grasp why some folks feel a need to push this "either or" mentality.  I figure if someone likes the Witcher series and DA, I'm happy for them.  That means that have yet another (in their opinion) great RPG series to choose from.   I know it sounds kinda naive, but it makes a little sad that the gaming community has to bicker constantly when the conversation hits the web.  In this case, I wish more folks would take the time to enjoy our similarities where they lie in games, instead of constantly trying to put each other down.

 

This seems to be primarily on the internet, at least from my experiences.  Offline, usually when I'm talking to friends and strangers (like at game stores) about games, the conversation would more go like this:

 

Player A: "Hey, I like the Witcher."  

Player B: "Right on, I prefer DA."  

Player A: "Awesome that we have finally have several good RPGs.  Remember how scarce they seemed for awhile back in 2005?"  

Player B: "Yeah, no doubt.  Both of the series sound good though.  May we get our money's worth."

Player A: "I hope you have fun and enjoy!"

Player B: "You too!"

 

Well that sounds like pretty unrealistic Utopia where people in internet actually consider each other´s points of views and accept them.

Kinda like this one below:

[9TailsFox]

Right, because Bioware titles don't have sex scenes or characters that want to bang you...

 

You can always tell when someone has never played the games. In The Witcher 2 there are 5 named characters that you can have sex with, the only difference between them and Bioware titles is that you can sleep with 2-3 of them in the same playthrough (though i've heard that this is also possible for certain characters in Inquisition depending on how far down the romance arc the sex scene is.)

 

The only reason The Witcher games keep getting these accusations thrown at them (many of them completely untrue) and Bioware don't is because Bioware were smart enough to call them "romances." The content (in Inquisition) is very similar, a bit of build up and then a sex scene. One is referred to as a romance, the other is referred to as a "pointless explicit sex scene" or ****** material for immature 14 year olds.

And everyone forget in DA:O you can seduce dalish elven girl. DA have casual sex same as withcer, witcher just have it more and show more. And witcher don't have romances because Geralt pretty much love only 3 women, and one Ciri as a child. And only 2 romantically.

[Das Tentakel]

I did a completionist play through of Origins shortly before Inquisition launched. I think it still holds up. Not so much visually of course. Got a little tired of the same dull brown after a while. Apart from that it's still excellent.

 

Regarding DA:I one could equally claim that some people are dazzled by its slicker presentation .

That DA:I is (technically) graphically superior is undeniable. It's equally undeniable that there are also many changes to DA other than in the purely graphical department. Whether those are perceived as improvements...well, that has been a controversial subject ever since DA2 and it doesn't look the debate will be over soon.

 

Which, by itself, is rather informative.

[Das Tentakel]

I understand that part, although that is a good point.  

 

I figure we are all into video games and since we're on this board, we all like various RPGs.  I can wrap my head around it intellectually, but I will never fully grasp why some folks feel a need to push this "either or" mentality.  I figure if someone likes the Witcher series and DA, I'm happy for them.  That means that have yet another (in their opinion) great RPG series to choose from.   I know it sounds kinda naive, but it makes a little sad that the gaming community has to bicker constantly when the conversation hits the web.  In this case, I wish more folks would take the time to enjoy our similarities where they lie in games, instead of constantly trying to put each other down.

 

This seems to be primarily on the internet, at least from my experiences.  Offline, usually when I'm talking to friends and strangers (like at game stores) about games, the conversation would more go like this:

 

Player A: "Hey, I like the Witcher."  

Player B: "Right on, I prefer DA."  

Player A: "Awesome that we have finally have several good RPGs.  Remember how scarce they seemed for awhile back in 2005?"  

Player B: "Yeah, no doubt.  Both of the series sound good though.  May we get our money's worth."

Player A: "I hope you have fun and enjoy!"

Player B: "You too!"

 

Pure Internet tribalism ('my favourite studio / videogame franchise / console, right or wrong!') is one problem here. Another is that nuanced discussion is hard, especially on the Internet. It sometimes seems that the only ones who look at different videogames and see if there's something they can learn from them, it's the devs. If players discuss these things, the situation escalates and the more moderate fans and critics either drop out of the discussion or are 'sucked' towards one of the extreme positions.  Cultural differences (even fairly modest ones, for instance between North Americans and various groups of Europeans) can make things even worse.

 

The only places where I see good reasoned debate is on tightly moderated, highly specific and/or professional forums.

[Seraphim24]

I understand that part, although that is a good point.  

 

I figure we are all into video games and since we're on this board, we all like various RPGs.  I can wrap my head around it intellectually, but I will never fully grasp why some folks feel a need to push this "either or" mentality.  I figure if someone likes the Witcher series and DA, I'm happy for them.  That means that have yet another (in their opinion) great RPG series to choose from.   I know it sounds kinda naive, but it makes a little sad that the gaming community has to bicker constantly when the conversation hits the web.  In this case, I wish more folks would take the time to enjoy our similarities where they lie in games, instead of constantly trying to put each other down.

 

This seems to be primarily on the internet, at least from my experiences.  Offline, usually when I'm talking to friends and strangers (like at game stores) about games, the conversation would more go like this:

 

Player A: "Hey, I like the Witcher."  

Player B: "Right on, I prefer DA."  

Player A: "Awesome that we have finally have several good RPGs.  Remember how scarce they seemed for awhile back in 2005?"  

Player B: "Yeah, no doubt.  Both of the series sound good though.  May we get our money's worth."

Player A: "I hope you have fun and enjoy!"

Player B: "You too!"

 

People are always going to be interested in that "objective" best answer is though.... which... so we're clear.. is Witcher 2 > Witcher 1 > DA:O > DA:I>>> DA2.

 

The biggest reason for that is just the Witcher series has flat out nicer and cooler characters. DA characters always have that chip on their shoulder and your like god just chill out haha.

 

For me personally I'd be really excited to play the Witcher 3 right now but my computer can't run it.

[9TailsFox]

People are always going to be interested in that "objective" best answer is though.... which... so we're clear.. is Witcher 2 > Witcher 1 > DA:O > DA:I>>> DA2.

 

The biggest reason for that is just the Witcher series has flat out nicer and cooler characters. DA characters always have that chip on their shoulder and your like god just chill out haha.

 

For me personally I'd be really excited to play the Witcher 3 right now but my computer can't run it.

"Objective" for me W2>W1=DA:O>>>DA2>DAI

[suirazul]

Witcher Series

 

The witcher series know's what it is.  If you compare the first game to this third one, not a lot has changed and that's a good thing. The core principles that made the first one great are still present in the third.

 

Sadly, I cannot say the same thing about the Dragon Age series.  Inquisition doesn't feel like dragon age origins, not even dragon age 2, especially with the extreme amount of political correctness present in Inquisition.

 

Bioware needs to learn not to change their series so drastically.

 

If Bioware wants to make a PC, LGBT, Feminist game, then please start with a NEW fresh series.  Don't just morph an existing series into a politically correct game, it won't feel right.

[Seraphim24]

"Objective" for me W2>W1=DA:O>>>DA2>DAI

 

Well actually that wasn't too far from mine was it? I actually thought about making W1 = DA:O.

 

DA2 over I though.. tsk tsk... I could sort of see the logic though.

 

The most important part is The Witcher 2 is the best WRPG since a very long time.