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[Hexoduen]

"be more like The Witcher 3 "  Good game for sure, but I'd rather have Dragon Age be more like Origins

[Han Shot First]

Let's also add in some pointless explicit sex scenes and make absolutely sure that nearly every female in the game exists only to swoon over the main character.

 

That is one aspect of the Witcher series that Bioware could do without. However there is a flip side to that coin, and it is that Bioware's handling of romance and sex scenes have often been as ridiculous, though by going in the opposite direction. You have characters comically rolling around in their small clothes in DA:O, in Morrigan's case even putting on more clothing than she was wearing previously, and in Mass Effect 3 you had Traynor and Fem Shep showering together clothed or Ashley waking up after sex having apparently put her bra back on before going to sleep. As gratuitous as some of the Witcher's scenes were, at least the characters involved actually behaved like real people having sex.

[Aren]

 

Black Emporium should've been there on release, before I'd given up on the game.

 

 

Yep, absolutely agree, like DAII.

I appreciate the efforts but  the black emporium doesn't add any replayability value for me

[suirazul]

Dragon Age Origins & Witcher series were very similar.

Sadly Dragon Age has changed into something completely different that I can no longer identify with. We all know why, but I won't say it.  It's sad that such drastic changes were made to a series in its third installment.

[KaiserShep]

 

Yep, absolutely agree, like DAII.

I appreciate the efforts but  the black emporium doesn't add any replayability value for me

 

 

I'm kind of surprised that DA2's Black Emporium had that much of an impact for people. It was nice to have, but honestly I didn't think it added much to the game in terms of replay value. The mirror of transformation is nice to have if you messed up in the start of the game, but if you're fine with the way Hawke looks, you don't really get much else out of it, unless those codices are really a big deal.

[Aren]

No, we've got the witcher to be like the witcher. Dragon age should be like Dragon age, they are two separate things (despite what many people think). I'm not saying DA shouldn't change at all, it still has many things to improve, but bioware shouldn't try to copy other companies, they should keep DA as their own thing.

Quite difficult when most the people that have created Dragon age are out of the project.

[suirazul]

No, we've got the witcher to be like the witcher. Dragon age should be like Dragon age, they are two separate things (despite what many people think). I'm not saying DA shouldn't change at all, it still has many things to improve, but bioware shouldn't try to copy other companies, they should keep DA as their own thing.

 

Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Inquisition are completely different games, so your logic is moot.  Dragon age Origins sets the premise for the series.  Dragon Age II was rushed and Inquisition is politically correct to a point where I cannot identify with the series anymore.

 

Witcher knows what witcher is.

 

Dragon Age does not know what it is, by the third installment the game was changed so much, it's just not Dragon Age anymore. 

 

CDProjectRED maintained consistency with the witcher series.  The core concepts that made the witcher 1 a success are still present in the witcher 3.

 

Mass Effect is an example of Bioware team that still has retained a shred of what Bioware used to be.

 

Hopefully Mass Effect 4 doesn't follow the same politically correct path as Inquisition.

[Seraphim24]

That is one aspect of the Witcher series that Bioware could do without. However there is a flip side to that coin, and it is that Bioware's handling of romance and sex scenes have often been as ridiculous, though by going in the opposite direction. You have characters comically rolling around in their small clothes in DA:O, in Morrigan's case even putting on more clothing than she was wearing previously, and in Mass Effect 3 you had Traynor and Fem Shep showering together clothed or Ashley waking up after sex having apparently put her bra back on before going to sleep. As gratuitous as some of the Witcher's scenes were, at least the characters involved actually behaved like real people having sex.

 

Yeah er on the kind of over the top sexy/porn objectification scale (or whatever it is that we're calling bad), Dragon Age has Witcher beat by a country mile.

 

It's not as simple as "having sex scenes" or "not having sex scenes" or the types of outfits people wear, or don't wear, it's an aesthetic perspective that permeates all aspects of the game right down to a random NPC's dialogue. The fact that a lot of people think of it in those terms is usually an indicator of a rather weaker grasp of the subject matter, because they believe by checking some boxes they can pass muster. As you say, DA's kind of haste to prove that they were flawless sort of made it paradoxically more weird and tasteless (and also tends to invite suspicion that the creators would of wanted to put in things more wild than anything in the Witcher). The fact that Witcher had more confidence in it's sexual chaos and was willing to represent it puts them ahead.

 

Like Polygon DA:I a 9.5 and Witcher 3 an 8 on dealing with the subject, it should be the reverse. The Bioware fan boards are a lot more entertaining though, can't deny that.

 

Now to be fair both are better than a heap of other stuff in the gaming/media subculture.

[Bob Walker]

Besides, Geralt can't help that he is damn fine.

 

Ew, talk about bad taste.

[Han Shot First]

Clearly you have never played the TW games

 

I have...and I think that is an accurate statement.

 

Geralt has plenty of women he's barely said hello to throwing themselves at him. And if he chooses to go a brothel, there are fully rendered sex scenes. Fully rendered sex scenes with characters who have no role in the story and little dialogue beyond, "That'll be 20 Orens" is pretty much the textbook definition of gratuitous.

[9TailsFox]

Yeah er on the kind of over the top sexy/porn objectification scale (or whatever it is that we're calling bad), Dragon Age has Witcher beat by a country mile.

 

It's not as simple as "having sex scenes" or "not having sex scenes" or the types of outfits people wear, or don't wear, it's an aesthetic perspective that permeates all aspects of the game right down to a random NPC's dialogue. The fact that a lot of people think of it in those terms is usually an indicator of a rather weaker grasp of the subject matter, because they believe by checking some boxes they can pass muster. As you say, DA's kind of haste to prove that they were flawless sort of made it paradoxically more weird and tasteless (and also tends to invite suspicion that the creators would of wanted to put in things more wild than anything in the Witcher). The fact that Witcher had more confidence in it's sexual chaos and was willing to represent it puts them ahead.

 

Like Polygon DA:I a 9.5 and Witcher 3 an 8 on dealing with the subject, it should be the reverse. The Bioware fan boards are a lot more entertaining though, can't deny that.

 

Now to be fair both are better than a heap of other stuff in the gaming/media subculture.

Polygon   You mean who gave Bayonetta 2 (7.5) and spend half of review how he didn't like design of Bayonetta.

Polygon I saw naked women and sex -1 point.

[Torgette]

Dragon Age Origins & Dragon Inquisition are completely different games, so your logic is moot.  Dragon age Origins sets the premise for the series.  Dragon Age II was rushed and Inquisition is politically correct to a point where I cannot identify with the series anymore.

 

Witcher knows what witcher is.

 

Dragon Age does not know what it is, by the third installment the game was changed so much, it's just not Dragon Age anymore. 

 

CDProjectRED maintained consistency with the witcher series.  The core concepts that made the witcher 1 a success are still present in the witcher 3.

 

Mass Effect is an example of Bioware team that still has retained a shred of what Bioware used to be.

 

Hopefully Mass Effect 4 doesn't follow the same politically correct path as Inquisition.

 

Politically correct games blows my mind, you people need to find a dictionary or thesaurus and expand your vocabulary. 

[SnakeCode]

I have...and I think that is an accurate statement.

 

Geralt has plenty of women he's barely said hello to throwing themselves at him. And if he chooses to go a brothel, there are fully rendered sex scenes. Fully rendered sex scenes with characters who have no role in the story and little dialogue beyond, "That'll be 20 Orens" is pretty much the textbook definition of gratuitous.

 

No it isn't. There's a difference between some women "throwing themselves" (huge exaggeration in and of itself) at Geralt, and "nearly every woman in the game." In fact, in the Witcher 2 it happens what, once? In the entire game. 

[MoonDrummer]

Let's also add in some pointless explicit sex scenes and make absolutely sure that nearly every female in the game exists only to swoon over the main character.

[AWTEW]

Dragon Age should stay Dragon Age..

 

Too much influence from skyrim has made DAI a horrible Hybrid.

[Han Shot First]

How is that all female characters?

Did you just forget Phillipa? Saskia? 

 

 

The person you initially replied to exaggerated, but even he/she didn't use the word "all." What about Saskia and Phillipa? No one claimed every female character in the Witcher was a potential LI.

 

 

And you forget DA also has brothels they just made them silly (in Origins and II at least) instead of mature 

 

Scroll up. I criticized the way Dragon Age handled sex scenes as well, in fact it was in reply to the same person you responded to.

 

I didn't mention the brothels in DA because they just faded to black. They didn't include gratuitous nudity, unlike the Witcher. Since the BSN has a tendency to overreact to any criticism of nudity either in the Witcher or Bioware's games, let me also preemptively state that I'm not against all nudity...just the gratuitous variety. The Rose of Remembrance scene in the Witcher 2 was fine, the TW1 sex cards or brothel sex scenes were gratuitous.

[Aren]

I'm kind of surprised that DA2's Black Emporium had that much of an impact for people. It was nice to have, but honestly I didn't think it added much to the game in terms of replay value. The mirror of transformation is nice to have if you messed up in the start of the game, but if you're fine with the way Hawke looks, you don't really get much else out of it, unless those codices are really a big deal.

There are people (like me) who are obsessed with their character's appearance, and that are capable to restart the game until they are "perfect", Black emporium is not what people are looking for,it's the damn Mirror of Miracles,

because people are never fine with the way their Hawke looks, they think that they could do always better.

[Han Shot First]

No it isn't. There's a difference between some women "throwing themselves" (huge exaggeration in and of itself) at Geralt, and "nearly every woman in the game." In fact, in the Witcher 2 it happens what, once? In the entire game. 

 

He/she did exaggerate a bit but the basic point about the Witcher was correct. Too many female characters do swoon over Geralt.

 

To be fair the devs are sort of sticking to the source material on that, as in the books there are plenty of female characters who behave like groupies around Geralt. Book Geralt is kind of a Mary Sue in the romance department and the games follow suit.

[Heathen Oxman]

RE: The Witcher sex scenes.....

 

Depending on my mood, I'm not at all disturbed by some gratuitous nudity and swooning women.  Despite being an asexual female, I'm not at all adverse to playing a good male power fantasy on occasion.

 

"Ha!  I am a strapping, muscle-bound hero with a huge willie!  Women love me, and other men want to be me.  Ha!"

 

I'm looking forward to TW3.  It's nice to not have to be a chubby, nerdy, gamergirl for a few hours.....

[SnakeCode]

He/she did exaggerate a bit but the basic point about the Witcher was correct. Too many female characters do swoon over Geralt.

 

To be fair the devs are sort of sticking to the source material on that, as in the books there are plenty of female characters who behave like groupies around Geralt. Book Geralt is kind of a Mary Sue in the romance department and the games follow suit.

 

Not disagreeing with your overall point, but "too many" is an absolutely meaningless point to make. That's going to differ from person to person. For some on these boards, one woman is too many. What you mean to say is "too many for my liking." 

[KaiserShep]

There are people (like me) who are obsessed with their character's appearance, and that are capable to restart the game until they are "perfect", Black emporium is not what people are looking for,it's the damn Mirror of Miracles,

because people are never fine with the way their Hawke looks, they think that they could do always better.

 

Sure, but in terms of replay value, is it really that big of a deal? Typically, it's story-related stuff or some interesting gameplay bits that compel people to start over, but why would someone replay the game when they can alter the appearance over and over again in a single playthrough?

[SardaukarElite]

Sure, but in terms of replay value, is it really that big of a deal? Typically, it's story-related stuff or some interesting gameplay bits that compel people to start over, but why would someone replay the game when they can alter the appearance over and over again in a single playthrough?

 

I think the thing is for some people it's removing a considerable frustration. Not so much giving them a reason to play as taking away a reason not to play.