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[Hazegurl]

As far as I can tell, the banter is absolutely still as absent and infrequent as the forums suggests, if not more so. Which really sucks, as banter provides a ton of the characterization and charm. I don't know how they screwed up the banter triggers as much as they did in DAI, but I hope they go back to whatever system triggered it in DAO and DA2.

 

PC players get to use cheat engine to get around it, but I feel bad for console players. I know that without Cheat Engine, I'm still going hours without hearing a peep.

Wow, I thought the banter bug was fixed by now.  What a shame.

[Nefla]

It's a double edged sword though. The mods that are good, are really good, but Skyrim without mods is painfully average at best, and a buggy pile of trash at worst. I haven't played any other Elder Scrolls games, but on its own merits, Skyrim isn't that great unless you load enough mods to pretty up the rough edges and add actual heft to the game outside of the plentiful side quests. From a lot of what I've read online, Skyrim pales in comparison to Morrowind and Oblivion.

 

I only had the stomach to play through Skyrim once. I tried to make a new character and go through everything again, but I couldn't make it past the prologue bit in Helgen, it's so boring (coupled with the p***-awful optimization and bugs from Bethesda games, because Bethesda's QA team either doesn't exist or is grossly underfunded).

Played Skyrim for over 1000 hours on various characters for the xbox 360 so no mods. Meanwhile I struggled to finish DA:I more than once it was so boring.

 

Um, I'm pretty sure the lack of music at times in DAI is part of the party banter bug(not that that's a good thing, I guess)... I've had times where music is pretty consistent (when, coincidentally, I was also getting frequent banter). Most of the time I don't even get battle music in DAI... so I was pretty surprised when I got it recently after repairing the game. (I think its gone again though XD)

The devs actually said the 30 second blurbs of occasional music was an intentional choice and things like persistent music playing in Val Royeaux and drums at Skyhold were the glitches. When people complained that party banter was only firing every few hours despite changing up the party their response was that it was "working as intended." I ended up just listening to the party banters on youtube since in my 50(?) hour playthrough I got a total of around 10 banters.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Bioware didn't do this with DAI either, so... ?

 

Also, what? There's a season pass available for purchase for TW3.

 

For the expansions, which they never said they wouldn't charge for. Justifiably so, they sound meaty.

 

Everything else is free. 

[Iakus]

Wow, I thought the banter bug was fixed by now.  What a shame.

It's better, but I wouldn't call it "fixed"

[o Ventus]

For the expansions, which they never said they wouldn't charge for. 

 

Everything else is free. 

 

Yeah, and the person I quoted said:

 

I also love their different stance in DLC:  they offer them free!!!

 

Implying that all of TW3's DLC is free, which is patently untrue and reeks of bias to make CDPR look good at the expense of downplaying and outright ignoring the DLC that's been released for DAI. It also implies that there's no free DLC for DAI, which is likewise untrue. All of the MP DLC and the Black Emporium has been free. Unless I'm mistaken, both of the larger expansions for TW3 are slated to be $20 USD a pop, or $40 for both. Saying "lol free DLC!" is a lie by omission becuase you're leaving out all of the DLC that isn't free.

[TheOgre]

Yeah, and the person I quoted said:

 

 

 

 

Implying that all of TW3's DLC is free, which is patently untrue and reeks of bias to make CDPR look good at the expense of downplaying and outright ignoring the DLC that's been released for DAI. It also implies that there's no free DLC for DAI, which is likewise untrue. All of the MP DLC and the Black Emporium has been free. Unless I'm mistaken, both of the larger expansions for TW3 are slated to be $20 USD a pop, or $40 for both. Saying "lol free DLC!" is a lie by omission becuase you're leaving out all of the DLC that isn't free.

 

I remember a conversation with a stranger in a store about how if you buy the game online at the ps4 store the DLC is not free, if you buy it in store it is. I'm confused on how TW3's dlc works.

[Torgette]

I never said there was zero sound in DA:I, just that the sound was lacking. There was water sound if I was near water, occasionally birds chirping, etc...but it just wasn't enough to feel real and the decision to not have persistent ambient music and instead rely on 30 second blurbs every half hour or so made that stand out even more. In TW3 when wandering the wilderness there was the sound of water, wind, leaves rustling, small birds chirping, crows lingering around corpses and making noise, flies buzzing near corpses, wolves howling, certain things creaking, in caves water dripping, etc...and in towns the constant background chatter of NPCs like in real life, anvils being hammered, wood being chopped, fires crackling, people dancing and playing music, etc...and to go with it all a really nice, subtle yet mood enhancing soundtrack. It goes a long way.

Agreed, though I will say the opposite can accomplish quite a bit, ie: the souls games had almost no music, minimal ambient noise, static npc's with minimal dialogue, zero dynamic environments, linear levels, baked lighting, etc. but still to this day have the most engrossing atmosphere in gaming.

[Elhanan]

What's harder than a villian who has to hide themselves? A villian who is openly popular, powerful, sly and smart and isn't easily undermined by anybody or anything and has nothing to hide - think like an Emperor or something.

Fave villain before Loghain was Charlton Heston as Cardinal Richelieu in The Three Musketeers. He owned that role, and personified the True Believer type of villainy that rules from behind the curtains. And he commanded Christopher Lee; gotta be worth another point or so....

[o Ventus]

I remember a conversation with a stranger in a store about how if you buy the game online at the ps4 store the DLC is not free, if you buy it in store it is. I'm confused on how TW3's dlc works.

 

That doesn't make much sense. Why would it be free if you buy it retail but not digital? It doesn't cost any money to sell something digitally when CDPR has their own storefront. That reeks of anti-consumer business practice, which is why I don't believe it. It sounds like whoever you spoke to doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

edit @above: I was wrong, the season pass is $25 USD, and seeing that season passes usually come at a discount, I would guess that both DLCs for TW3 are $15 a pop and not $20.

 

https://www.gog.com/..._expansion_pass

[Elhanan]

As far as I can tell, the banter is absolutely still as absent and infrequent as the forums suggests, if not more so. Which really sucks, as banter provides a ton of the characterization and charm. I don't know how they screwed up the banter triggers as much as they did in DAI, but I hope they go back to whatever system triggered it in DAO and DA2.
 
PC players get to use cheat engine to get around it, but I feel bad for console players. I know that without Cheat Engine, I'm still going hours without hearing a peep.

Sorry about the bug; did not encounter it myself. If and when you are able to get the banter working, the snark heard between Vivienne and Solas is terrific; almost as good with Dorian in either spot.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are big expansions not some lame 5 hour DLC's so I'm not sure how one can expect them to be free

 

DA:I on the other hand had the  $ 15 Jaws of Hakkon DLC which was just boring all around and offered no new interesting content

Instead it was just another fetch quest filled area

I disagree. It gave us a lot of insight both into the Avvar people, and the final days of the previous Inquisitor and Inquisition. 

[o Ventus]

They are big expansions not some lame 5 hour DLC's so I'm not sure how one can expect them to be free

 

DA:I on the other hand had the  $ 15 Jaws of Hakkon DLC which was just boring all around and offered no new interesting content

Instead it was just another fetch quest filled area

 

Yes, we've established that you like to shill for CDPR and that DAI is the worst game in the entire human history of mankind. We get it.

 

And 5 hours for a DLC pack is not a bad deal by any means.

 

I disagree. It gave us a lot of insight both into the Avvar people, and the final days of the previous Inquisitor and Inquisition.

 

Come now, we can't talk about this, it doesn't fit the narrative we're trying to spin.

[AresKeith]

They are big expansions not some lame 5 hour DLC's so I'm not sure how one can expect them to be free

 

DA:I on the other hand had the  $ 15 Jaws of Hakkon DLC which was just boring all around and offered no new interesting content

Instead it was just another fetch quest filled area

Its like Bioware didn't even try to listen to feedback

 

DAI's DLC wasn't 5 hours either

 

Bolded part shows that you didn't really play it or acting ignorant on purpose 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And 5 hours for a DLC pack is not a bad deal by any means.

Yeah. Most full-priced games are only about 10-20 hours long, and those cost $60. And really those should cost around $100 due to inflation. 

The Jaws of Hakkon DLC is about 8-15 hours if you are a completionist, so that's over half an hour to an hour of content for every dollar. With the ability to replay it, the time to dollar ratio increases. Overall that's a great deal. 

[Dreadstruck]

Implying that all of TW3's DLC is free, which is patently untrue and reeks of bias to make CDPR look good at the expense of downplaying and outright ignoring the DLC that's been released for DAI. It also implies that there's no free DLC for DAI, which is likewise untrue. All of the MP DLC and the Black Emporium has been free. Unless I'm mistaken, both of the larger expansions for TW3 are slated to be $20 USD a pop, or $40 for both. Saying "lol free DLC!" is a lie by omission becuase you're leaving out all of the DLC that isn't free.

 
Actually, the smaller DLCs (16) are in fact free. You are just being needlessly anal about it. There is a critical difference between these terms.
 
DLC = Generally a small addition to a game. Fairly cheap.

Expansion = A large addition to the game, usually as big or nearly as big as the main game. Sometimes they are even standalone.

No they aren't the same thing, never have been, never will be.

The CONCEPT of DLC was supposed to be a continuous supply of small content packs but considering most distributions is done via digital distrubtion, the difference got, unfortunately, lost somewhere in the middle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, the DLCs are free. You are just being needlessly anal about it, because there is a critical difference between the terms.

 

DLC = Generally a small addition to a game. Fairly cheap.

Expansion = A large addition to the game, usually as big or nearly as big as the main game. Sometimes they are even standalone.

No they aren't the same thing, never have been, never will be. People nowadays seem to know only the world DLC and completely forgot that expansions like Shivering Isles or Awakening also existed in the past.

Last I checked, Expansion Packs are downloadable content. Thus Expansion Packs are by definition DLC. 

 

Also size isn't a defining factor. Dragon Age: Awakening was called an expansion pack and was 1.9 gigabytes. Mass Effect 3: Citadel was called a DLC and was 4 gigabytes. 

 

The terms are interchangeable. 

[Dreadstruck]

Last I checked, Expansion Packs are downloadable content. Thus Expansion Packs are by definition DLC. 
 
Also size isn't a defining factor. Dragon Age: Awakening was called an expansion pack and was 1.9 gigabytes. Mass Effect 3: Citadel was called a DLC and was 4 gigabytes. 
 
The terms are interchangeable.

I worded my original post a bit better. Check it out

Also, before internet even existed, game expansions were always addition to an existing main game. Some required the main game, some were stand-alone. They added more story/missions/maps/chapters/etc to make the main game longer by means of a continuation/intermission/side story. These expansions were always big and added hours of extra NEW gameplay.

When the term DLC appeared, originally these were tiny additions to a game. More weapons/vehicles/skins. The main game didn't get longer or bigger with these DLC, it just made them look different or given new items to play with.


But now that publishers are using the term DLC to promote expansions, the line has become too blurry and people call everything DLC.

For example, take Deus Ex Human Revolution: The Missing Link. This is an expansion, not a DLC. It adds more story and gameplay, making the main game longer (even though it is separately played from it).
The Tactical and explosive packs however are DLC. Those just add new weapons and items to the game. Just like the TW3 DLCs like the new crossbow, armor set etc.

I guess it doesn't really matter anymore. Unfortunately. Because, the term "DLC" has been established as the marketable word for anything that is added to a game (and thus plastered over any kind of addition), whether it's an expansion or just skins.

[Saphiron123]

Yeah, and the person I quoted said:

 

 

 

 

Implying that all of TW3's DLC is free, which is patently untrue and reeks of bias to make CDPR look good at the expense of downplaying and outright ignoring the DLC that's been released for DAI. It also implies that there's no free DLC for DAI, which is likewise untrue. All of the MP DLC and the Black Emporium has been free. Unless I'm mistaken, both of the larger expansions for TW3 are slated to be $20 USD a pop, or $40 for both. Saying "lol free DLC!" is a lie by omission becuase you're leaving out all of the DLC that isn't free.

Hey, all I know is witcher has been giving away little bits of free dlc since release, and bioware is charging a rediculous amount for yet another empty map that non xbox system have to wait at least 2 months for with a gag order that prevents them even discussing other systems during that time. We got the black emporium but it didn't add anything new to character creation while Geralt alreayd has new hair and beard options.

[midnight tea]

Hey, all I know is witcher has been giving away little bits of free dlc since release, and bioware is charging a rediculous amount for yet another empty map that non xbox system have to wait at least 2 months for with a gag order that prevents them even discussing other systems during that time. We got the black emporium but it didn't add anything new to character creation while Geralt alreayd has new hair and beard options.

 

 

Empty map, huh? Lol, didn't play Hakkon much, ey?

 

Anyway -  it's really not difficult to add new hair or beard option considering that Geralt began with only ONE, maybe two - not even a fifth of what DAI began with. Plus, there's no other way to customize his looks.

[Torgette]

DLC length doesn't bother me so much as whether I feel like the content was worth my time to begin with, it could be 30 hours long but if I feel like that time was wasted i'd take 2 hours and amazing. Citadel DLC was amazing but only lasted like 3 hours.

[Elhanan]

Hey, all I know is witcher has been giving away little bits of free dlc since release, and bioware is charging a rediculous amount for yet another empty map that non xbox system have to wait at least 2 months for with a gag order that prevents them even discussing other systems during that time. We got the black emporium but it didn't add anything new to character creation while Geralt alreayd has new hair and beard options.

Seemed to have forgotten the DA-MP DLC, though I do not use it myself. But then fairness has nothing to do with certain discussions....

[Dreadstruck]

Empty map, huh? Lol, didn't play Hakkon much, ey?
 
Anyway -  it's really not difficult to add new hair or beard option considering that Geralt began with only ONE, maybe two - not even a fifth of what DAI began with. Plus, there's no other way to customize his looks.

I don't have Hakkon yet, is it worth the money?

I admit that while DA:I wasn't that bad, I wasn't terribly impressed with it either (Long live DA: Origins ).
So is the DLC something that improves on the game's shortcomings?

[MoonDrummer]

I don't have Hakkon yet, is it worth the money?

I regretted buying it, far too expensive imo.