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[Nefla]

I'd probably have had far less interest in DAI if it was just about the opportunity to polish Cassandra's boots. While Ciri is the chosen one in TW3 Geralt is very much the active protagonist. It's his story. That same model doesn't work in a hypothetical DAI where Cassandra is clearly the protagonist.

You can't have an RPG without a hypercompetent murder machine. A mook just can't be an RPG protagonist.

I didn't say you'd be a servant, you'd be a military commander or something similar like Shepard. Shepard wasn't the head of the alliance, he was the head of a small group of soldiers. That didn't make characters like Anderson, Udina, and Hackett the main character because they were a higher rank/importance. If the player had been in a similar role in DA:I it would have been much better IMO. You also wouldn't have the disconnect of the supposedly important inquisitor not being able to oversee any of the Inquisition's operations, shape it in a certain direction, etc...As well as just doing everything anyone else tells him. He already feels like an underling and the "advisors" act as his boss.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I don't think Ciri is a Mary Sue. She's the setting's snowflake, yes, but 'Mary Sue' is a horribly overused term nowadays that I don't think ever really applies to the characters it's stuck on, unless it's some sort of self-insert fanfiction character. 

 

Is... is that a giant cow monster?

 

...infinitely respawning giant cow monsters, to boot. 

 

 

If I didn't outlevel them, this would actually be a decent farming method all to itself. :S

[WildOrchid]

As far as TW3's Ciri, while she was a Mary-Sue, she's exactly the same as a protagonist in any random RPG

 

I hope people don't say that for Ciri only, because with the same logic then Geralt is also a Garry Stu. She's exactly like him and the only difference is, as you said, we don't play as her 100% of the game.

 

 

 

Edit: I should try that one with the monster.

[Nefla]

I hope people don't say that for Ciri only, because with the same logic then Geralt is also a Garry Stu. She's exactly like him and the only difference is, as you said, we don't play as her 100% of the game.

I think people only notice it because she's not the player character. If it had been Geralt with the magical blood and the special powers that only she had and the fact that everyone was after her and that she was the only one capable of saving the world from the white frost most people wouldn't have thought hard on it. Her special snowflake-ness did stand out to me but despite that I really liked her.

[WildOrchid]

I think people only notice it because she's not the player character. If it had been Geralt with the magical blood and the special powers that only she had and the fact that everyone was after her and that she was the only one capable of saving the world from the white frost most people wouldn't have thought hard on it. Her special snowflake-ness did stand out to me but despite that I really liked her.

 

I think people overuse the "mary sue - garry stu" titles. Like, to death.

[AresKeith]

I think people overuse the "mary sue - garry stu" titles. Like, to death.

 

What words haven't been overused now?

[HiroVoid]

What words haven't been overused now?

The ones people like.

[Nefla]

What words haven't been overused now?

Poplin.

[Dreadstruck]

I'd say he sums up some of the strongest points (but also faults) of TW3 as well.

 

[TheOgre]

Why I think Ciri is definitely a sue

Spoiler

she fits the description for a prophecy, is a rare breed (i.e, super rare female witcher), magical blood, teleportation like dodging abilities, bi sexual, pretty, child of an emperor that happens to be ruler of the largest empire.. ect.. ect.. way too many positives and she seems to be very expressive of her emotions.

 

I'd say he sums up some of the strongest points (but also faults) of TW3 as well.

 

I get very annoyed when I see that mans mug. It's a shame because he used to put out content I could tolerate. Tough luck for me.. I bet he actually has good points.

[Ennai and 54 others]

I think people overuse the "mary sue - garry stu" titles. Like, to death.

They are useful terms,which is why people want to use them.There is a general intuition about what a mary sue is,else we couldn't have a proper discussion about it.There is some sense in which we are arguing about the same thing.

It's best to call it a "cannon sue" because most people don't use the terms to refer to characters in fan fiction these days.

I'm inclined to agree with the Tv tropes description

She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare . She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing"


"She has an unusual and dramatic backstory. The protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their true companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the protagonist or authors favourite character,their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series"

Ciri ,although she is a cannon character,fits too many of these conditions.Which might be why we are tempted to classify her as a mary sue.

[midnight tea]

I think people overuse the "mary sue - garry stu" titles. Like, to death.

 

Overuse? Yes - not all awesome characters are Mary Sues/Gary Stus. Still... many are. Or at least exhibit enough of their traditional traits for people to make people wonder if or when the line was crossed.

[Dreadstruck]

I get very annoyed when I see that mans mug. It's a shame because he used to put out content I could tolerate. Tough luck for me.. I bet he actually has good points.

Haha, I can understand that. I sometimes get the same feeling with Fraser from Video Games Awesome (if you're familiar with it).

 

Suffice to say, Angry Joe gave it a 10/10. For him the positives fully rose up above the said faults.

[TheOgre]

Haha, I can understand that. I sometimes get the same feeling with Fraser from Video Games Awesome (if you're familiar with it).

 

Suffice to say, Angry Joe gave it a 10/10. For him the positives fully rose up above the said faults.

Fraser... I unsubscribed to his channel when he ragequit on the Giant Lord in Dark souls 2. "I'm not playing this game again". Never looked back since.. That boss is really easy. He refused to wait, and just ran in to take the cannon fire instead of waiting for it to hit, and then he would get overheaded by the giant lord with the sword. Two very easily avoidable mechanics.

 

He blamed it on the game's mechanics and was a very lousy complainer. Yeah I got killed, trying the same thing over and over again when there is no progress, failing and failing again is insanity.

[AresKeith]

Fraser... I unsubscribed to his channel when he ragequit on the Giant Lord in Dark souls 2. "I'm not playing this game again". Never looked back since.. That boss is really easy. He refused to wait, and just ran in to take the cannon fire instead of waiting for it to hit, and then he would get overheaded by the giant lord with the sword. Two very easily avoidable mechanics.

 

He blamed it on the game's mechanics and was a very lousy complainer. Yeah I got killed, trying the same thing over and over again when there is no progress, failing and failing again is insanity.

 

I almost unsubscribed his channel after his MKX review 

[Steelcan]

Yeah, but the overall feel of the game fits better in Polish. I can't get the idea of Dirty Harry's voice out of my head when I watch it in English.

I will never understand this mindset

[In Exile]

I didn't say you'd be a servant, you'd be a military commander or something similar like Shepard. Shepard wasn't the head of the alliance, he was the head of a small group of soldiers. That didn't make characters like Anderson, Udina, and Hackett the main character because they were a higher rank/importance. If the player had been in a similar role in DA:I it would have been much better IMO. You also wouldn't have the disconnect of the supposedly important inquisitor not being able to oversee any of the Inquisition's operations, shape it in a certain direction, etc...As well as just doing everything anyone else tells him. He already feels like an underling and the "advisors" act as his boss.

 

But all of those characters are bit players. Cassandra isn't a bit player like Udina (who we see basically at two points in the story), Anderson (ditto - he comes up twice, basically) and Hackett (who didn't even get a character model in ME1). 

 

There's no way to sensibly do a game where the NPC is the chosen one and dominates the story without creating all sorts of other weird disconnects, including nerfing the agency of the supposed chosen one. 

[chrstnmonks]

Another thiing I hope DAI looks at in TW3 is the loot system. it seems everything is useful. i have gotten very few "trash items". I absolutely loath the RNG in Inquistion.Also, i hope Bioware takes a look at the items. There is a two things you can do with the items in TW3. You can sell them,or dismantle them for crafting. i hop eBioware wil take some inspiration from the crafting system in TW3. There seems to be a use one way or the other for everything. Monster parts can be used in potions, or in gear, bombs and bolts and other weapons. In short I hope they give a serious look at TW3 loot and crafting system.

[KBomb]

Another thiing I hope DAI looks at in TW3 is the loot system. it seems everything is useful. i have gotten very few "trash items". I absolutely loath the RNG in Inquistion.Also, i hope Bioware takes a look at the items. There is a two things you can do with the items in TW3. You can sell them,or dismantle them for crafting. i hop eBioware wil take some inspiration from the crafting system in TW3. There seems to be a use one way or the other for everything. Monster parts can be used in potions, or in gear, bombs and bolts and other weapons. In short I hope they give a serious look at TW3 loot and crafting system.

OMG yes! A thousand times yes. I hate the rng loot system in Inquisition. It was one of my biggest complaints.

[chrstnmonks]

Level progression is also done better in TW3. In DAI you can out level alot of the zones before you realize it{ example Exalted Plains. } 

[Grieving Natashina]

OMG yes! A thousand times yes. I hate the rng loot system in Inquisition. It was one of my biggest complaints.

You guys all know that despite some of my criticisms, I enjoyed DA:I.  That being said, the RNG loot along with the lack of music are two things I honestly hate the most about this game.  I don't use that word lightly.  The RNG loot system and how utterly pointless and frustrating it is in a single player game sticks in my craw.  Trying to get Masterwork armor schematics for my bloody class absolutely hurt my gaming experience.

 

 I despise the fact that I have to either rely on luck, save scumming (save/loading) or have a ton of cash just to get Masterwork schematics that might be useful.  When I was playing my warrior, before TBE, I tried to get warrior masterwork armor schematics to come up in the Hissing Wastes.  I tried save scumming, exiting the game and other ways to possibly affect the RNG.   No matter what, it would come up as either mage or rogue.  I tried for nearly 10 minutes before I gave up.

 

They should have not done the RNG route and instead have those orange Masterwork schematics in the Hissing Wastes be set based on your class.  It shouldn't be based on random chance.  I don't know what they were thinking by making that as well as other loot so random in a single player game, but it doesn't encourage replays.  It does encourage complete frustration.   The Short List perk is not easy to get and can take a fair amount of game time.  I don't know about other players, but I don't go straight down Josie's perk list right away.  Usually I'm doing the Inquisition, Leliana and Cullen's first, because those perks are more useful during leveling.  If I'm going to take the time and effort to get to that point, and ride out half way across the Hissing Wastes, I'd like this to be actually useful.

 

TBE does help a little, but then we have a grinding problem to deal with.  Some posters have offered great tips for grinding money (note: selling low level mats works great,) but grinding cash in order to circumvent the RNG problem is even worse.  

 

This is the one area where I fully agree that some parts of the game were just threw in for padding.  I never want to see BioWare go the RNG route for good loot ever again.  I'm not talking the crap grey loot, or even the random blue loot.  However, for things like the best weapons and armor schematics in the game, the ones that take many hours of gameplay to even try to get to?  No.  

[Elhanan]

Or perhaps go with the loot one actually received the first time; no farming or reloads. But then, I burned this need out of my system back in NWN1 when I used at least the best of three for every container (Yes; every barrel, chest, etc) in the game. Perhaps this is the reason the OC took me six months....

By the way, both of my Inq's managed to get decent Masterwork gear w/o a problem. It may not have always been optimal, but the results were quite pleasing for both the Mage and Rogue.

[TheOgre]

Or perhaps go with the loot one actually received the first time; no farming or reloads. But then, I burned this need out of my system back in NWN1 when I used at least the best of three for every container (Yes; every barrel, chest, etc) in the game. Perhaps this is the reason the OC took me six months....

By the way, both of my Inq's managed to get decent Masterwork gear w/o a problem. It may not have always been optimal, but the results were quite pleasing for both the Mage and Rogue.

 

For people who prefer the look or stats of a certain item I'd still ask for not as much grind to achieve such. Just my honest opinion. RNG is never fun.

[ashwind]

I don't think Ciri is a Mary Sue. She's the setting's snowflake, yes, but 'Mary Sue' is a horribly overused term nowadays that I don't think ever really applies to the characters it's stuck on, unless it's some sort of self-insert fanfiction character. 

 

 

...infinitely respawning giant cow monsters, to boot. 

 

 

If I didn't outlevel them, this would actually be a decent farming method all to itself. :S

 

LOL. This is something that other studios stand to learn from CDPR. "Fixes/Patches" can be fun. Instead of simply adding a flag to stop cows from dropping hides, they added something silly and I rather enjoy getting my behind kick at lower levels or testing my skills against a super strong foe. 

 

Game developers need to remember how to have fun 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

LOL. This is something that other studios stand to learn from CDPR. "Fixes/Patches" can be fun. Instead of simply adding a flag to stop cows from dropping hides, they added something silly and I rather enjoy getting my behind kick at lower levels or testing my skills against a super strong foe. 

 

Game developers need to remember how to have fun 

 

Entertaining as it is, it kind of backfired, as ironically it's now becoming a great place to farm red mutagens. 

 

Next patch, CDPR is probably just going to make you get struck by lightning if you try to exploit the monsters meant to stop you from exploiting.