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#3676
Milan92

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Bear in mind that I am still currently in Novigrad and haven't met the big man himself yet, so I am no aware of any possible rewrites from CD Projekt.

 

They did. In the game universe he didn't sleep with her. She was already into woman back then.

 

Did try though.



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They did. In the game universe he didn't sleep with her. She was already into woman back then.

 

Did try though.

 

Strange. That kinda contradicts Sabrina's dialogue in the books when she talks to Phillipa about her sudden change of sexual orientation. :lol:

 

Ah, whatever. Or maybe I am just bad at understanding things.



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Strange. That kinda contradicts Sabrina's dialogue in the books when she talks to Phillipa about her sudden change of sexual orientation. :lol:

 

Ah, whatever. Or maybe I am just bad at understanding things.

 

Maybe they were affraid it would offend people if she as a lesbian had sex with a man.



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Maybe they were affraid it would offend people if she as a lesbian had sex with a man.

 

They did good then, because a lesbian wouldn't go with a man... simple as that. Phillipa, to me, fits more into bisexual who prefers women category.



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They did good then, because a lesbian wouldn't go with a man... simple as that. Phillipa, to me, fits more into bisexual who prefers women category.

 

Well its always possible she could do it for political reasons. Phillipa is not above such things.



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Dreadstruck

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They did good then, because a lesbian wouldn't go with a man... simple as that. Phillipa, to me, fits more into bisexual who prefers women category.

 

Bi sounds logical to me. They never really explored her sexuality much in the books, apart from the "well she's into women now, and Dijkstra still likes her, yaddy yadda".



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Well its always possible she could do it for political reasons. Phillipa is not above such things.

 

That is true..



#3683
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They did good then, because a lesbian wouldn't go with a man... simple as that. Phillipa, to me, fits more into bisexual who prefers women category.

Philippa strikes me as the kind of person who would do anything to gain power.



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Geralt is still a "special snowflake", just like Ciri. Protagonists are always like that.

A protagonist doesn't have to be a snowflake.They don't even need to be different from everyone else.They just need to be in an unusual and/or unstable situation,otherwise their story wouldn't even be worth telling.


Geralt is a typical "by the book" witcher.Among witchers he is fairly normal (unlike Lambert).

The only thing that truly stands out about Geralt is that he has been in many unusual situations (broke a few unusual curses,"married" a sorceress,got pitchforked by a peasant boy,lost his memories,met a variety of people more important and powerful than himself etc).

He is not so different that no other witcher could have had his story.Ciri,on the other hand...
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#3685
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But you are the special snowflake that saves everyone. You are a single unyielding engine of death, whose combat prowess exceeds the might of armies, covering your room in the skulls of so many legendary creatures - and so many hundreds, if not thousands, of enemies - that the only killing force on the planet that even comes close to equaling you is an actual plague

 

An RPG cannot work without you being a chosen one. Otherwise it's just an absurd parody of itself, where you have to close your eyes to the fact that you kill more people in months that most armies - yes, entire armies - in the world IRL kill in years. 

 

There's no way to do an RPG with believable scope, unless there's absolutely no combat, a single lone human with some armour and a sword is incredibe and peerless in regards to how deadly it is, wild animals are almost impossible to kill singlehandedly without clever traps and avoiding combat, and the entire game culminates in a single ogre boss fight where, like Cailan, you are mercilessly crushed in one hand and thrown like a dish-rag. 

 

In TW3 Geralt is a special snowflake. He's a 100+ year old superhuman monster slayer. Just because he's not as special as other special snowkflakes doesn't make him less special than some mook. 

To me "super special unique chosen one of prophesy" is a different thing than having gameplay/story segregation (although I think games are definitely too reliant on the player easily killing hundreds of enemies especially when it's a creature that would be difficult to impossible for a real person). I'd personally rather have fewer enemies that are much more difficult to fight than thousands of easy ones. What I hate is the "you're the only one that can save the world!" You're the magical blooded princess, the child of legend, the Dragonborn, the religious icon with the magical glowing hand who is the only one capable of sealing the hell-hole in the sky. It just doesn't make for an interesting story IMO. Give me a smaller scale story any day. I do also like games that give you the options of stealth and persuasion when dealing with an enemy and not just combat all the time. You don't have to like the same things but it's very possible to have a good game without relying on the "magical chosen one" thing.



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I have read all the books and regarding Philippa, she's into women, Dijkstra is just an exception.

Not surprising as they worked together for around 20 years.



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A protagonist doesn't have to be a snowflake.They don't even need to be different from everyone else.They just need to be in an unusual and/or unstable situation,otherwise their story wouldn't even be worth telling.


Geralt is a typical "by the book" witcher.Among witchers he is fairly normal (unlike Lambert).

The only thing that truly stands out about Geralt is that he has been in many unusual situations (broke a few unusual curses,"married" a sorceress,got pitchforked by a peasant boy,lost his memories,met a variety of people more important and powerful than himself etc).

He is not so different that no other witcher could have had his story.Ciri,on the other hand...


I know halo isn't well known for its story, but I felt the same about noble 6. He wasn't master chief, he was just a guy that was lucky enough to deliver Cortana to the ship he was on. Lucky in the sense that he outlived most situations through added luck versus his equally if not more talented noble team.

I agree rpgs, you don't have to be the snowflake. You can find yourself in especially unique circumstances and have good friends to support you. Luck or opportunity somehow barely finds you where you would succeed with the same skill or comparable to another witcher for Geralt.

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To everyone whining that Geralt's only agenda is to plough other women or that the entire Witcher is only about sex. :P

 

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A protagonist doesn't have to be a snowflake.They don't even need to be different from everyone else.They just need to be in an unusual and/or unstable situation,otherwise their story wouldn't even be worth telling.


Geralt is a typical "by the book" witcher.Among witchers he is fairly normal (unlike Lambert).

The only thing that truly stands out about Geralt is that he has been in many unusual situations (broke a few unusual curses,"married" a sorceress,got pitchforked by a peasant boy,lost his memories,met a variety of people more important and powerful than himself etc).

He is not so different that no other witcher could have had his story.Ciri,on the other hand...

 

I like the "you're not special" aspect of Inquisition, you're just a random who was in the wrong place at the wrong time - nobody realizes it until you get your memory back, at that point there's an interesting dynamic of everybody keeping the lie going because it's "for the greater good". The only special thing you really do is survive haven. It's really too bad your companions completely gloss over this aspect of the Inquisitor, would've added an interesting dynamic if you had to gain their loyalty otherwise they leave because you're not who they thought you were, or the propaganda war table mission was an actual quest.



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I have read all the books and regarding Philippa, she's into women, Dijkstra is just an exception.

Not surprising as they worked together for around 20 years.

That's the impression I got. In game Dikstra is referred to as her past lover and during a mission you can read something that explains that she had left a woman for him.  Either Dijkstra is the only exception or she's bisexual with leanings more in the women camp.

 

 


The only thing that truly stands out about Geralt is that he has been in many unusual situations ...

Pretty much, and if we were to go by that drinking game Geralt has with Lambert and Eskel, they all seem to get into some rather unusual sexual situations. Well, at least Geralt and Eskel. lol!



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I like the "you're not special" aspect of Inquisition, you're just a random who was in the wrong place at the wrong time - nobody realizes it until you get your memory back, at that point there's an interesting dynamic of everybody keeping the lie going because it's "for the greater good". The only special thing you really do is survive haven. It's really too bad your companions completely gloss over this aspect of the Inquisitor, would've added an interesting dynamic if you had to gain their loyalty otherwise they leave because you're not who they thought you were, or the propaganda war table missions was an actual quest.

You're the epitome of a special snowflake in Inquisition. You have that whole "you're the only one who can save us" thing going on. You're the one with the Anchor, you're the first since the Magisters of old to walk physicaly in the fade, and everybody loves you and elects you to be the head of a religious military organisation. No matter what your race and religious beliefs are (or lack of them.) 


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To everyone whining that Geralt's only agenda is to plough other women or that the entire Witcher is only about sex. :P

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Based on recent posts, it seems like Bioware has already complied with the entitled purpose of this thread, but Zevran is already included in DAI via the War Table....

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You're the epitome of a special snowflake in Inquisition. You have that whole "you're the only one who can save us" thing going on. You're the one with the Anchor, you're the first since the Magisters of old to walk physicaly in the fade, and everybody loves you and elects you to be the head of a religious military organisation. No matter what your race and religious beliefs (or lack of them.)

 

You're treated as a snowflake, but you aren't actually a snowflake - this is revealed halfway through the game. Really the Inquisition is one big lie - a convenient lie because of the threat of Corypheus.



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You're treated as a snowflake, but you aren't actually a snowflake - this is revealed halfway through the game. Really the Inquisition is one big lie - a convenient lie because of the threat of Corypheus.

 

Just because you became a snowflake by mistake due to a sequence of unforeseen events, doesn't mean that you aren't one. It just means that you weren't supposed to be. It's not dissimilar to The Warden in Origins. If Duncan and all of the other senior wardens hadn't have died at Ostagar, and Flemeth hadn't intervened then The Warden's story never would have happened.


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Based on recent posts, it seems like Bioware has already complied with the entitled purpose of this thread, but Zevran is already included in DAI via the War Table....

 

Very good. That means that they aren't completely drunk on their own cool-aid. (DA:I the default GOTY winner...)



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Very good. That means that they aren't completely drunk on their own cool-aid. (DA:I the default GOTY winner...)


They are for 2014; TW3 has a shot for this year....

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To everyone whining that Geralt's only agenda is to plough other women or that the entire Witcher is only about sex. :P
 
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Keira: Cos ur not, I don't intend to pay u.
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Just because you became a snowflake by mistake due to a sequence of unforeseen events, doesn't mean that you aren't one. It just means that you weren't supposed to be. It's not dissimilar to The Warden in Origins. If Duncan and all of the other senior wardens hadn't have died at Ostagar, and Flemeth hadn't intervened then The Warden's story never would have happened.

 

A figurehead still isn't the same thing as a chosen one or a special snowflake, at least in my mind. You still needed a massive support system to accomplish anything - even then you're almost always powerless to stop Corypheus yourself and literally need gods to carry the load for you. There's also a ton of dialogue throughout the game with npc's where you can disarm your "special" aura. Not saying it's perfect, they missed opportunities here, but I did think it was a much better effort to be less special despite the fact that it's an end-of-the-world scenario than say... Mass Effect 3 which went straight space-jesus.


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Clearly the ultimate solution to some of you guys' wishes regarding PC roleplaying would be a kinect that reads your actual body language, body temperature and dialogue that you have to come up with and speak yourself. Maybe in 20 years that will be a thing.

I don't think I've ever encountered anyone who would like that.