I confess I'm a little tired of the grumbling, on whatever forum.
If something is not perfect (and most things are not) does not mean it sucks.
Because an individual personally does not enjoy something does not mean it is unenjoyable.
Disappointment is often self inflicted.
Going to keep playing games, avoiding boarding hype trains and enjoying games for what they are, not fixating on what they are not.
Hopefully without spoiling anything, after having completed the game now, one thing bioware can definitely take a note from CDPR (at least in their fantasy franchise, Mass Effect is fine thus far) on how to do properly, is how to make something seemingly extremely powerful actually appear threatening to the player. It had an actual proper buildup to the final fight.
At no point during the game did the wild hunt ever appear to be as much of a joke as Cory and his troops towards the climax of DA:I.
Hopefully without spoiling anything, after having completed the game now, one thing bioware can definitely take a note from CDPR (at least in their fantasy franchise, Mass Effect is fine thus far) on how to do properly, is how to make something seemingly extremely powerful actually appear threatening to the player. It had an actual proper buildup to the final fight.
At no point during the game did the wild hunt ever appear to be as much of a joke as Cory and his troops towards the climax of DA:I.
At no point during the game did the wild hunt ever appear to be as much of a joke as Cory and his troops towards the climax of DA:I.
I'm going to call it, at least for me. Personally, Corypheus was the most underused main villains for a BioWare in any game I've ever played.
Also, after 16 years of BioWare games only missing two (KotoR and Jade Empire,) Corypheus was the lamest, most anti-climatic final boss fight in BioWare's history. I don't count Mass Effect 3, due to not having a boss fight at all outside of two marauders and a husk.
NWN: Three mind controlled adult good aligned dragons. This was after the dracolich from a few hours earlier.
NWN: HotU: Saved the city (and maybe the Realms) from a powerful Demon Lord.
ME1: The Saren fight was at least made interesting by the dialogue. The fight itself wasn't anything special, but the atmosphere was great.
ME2: I liked the Baby Reaper fight personally. At least I was fighting a giant killer robot while taking out all sorts of crap at the same time.
ME3: No final boss, but taking out a freaking Reaper on foot did help make it for it.
DA:O: One on one duel with Loghain, then the Archdemon and all of his friends.
DA:A: Possibly the Architect and definitely the Mother.
DA2: Meredith was an extremely fun and frankly, badass fight. For the rushed time, they did good on that front imho.
DA2: MotA: A wyvern, a bunch of guard mooks, while dodging fire rings
DA2: Legacy: Corypheus. If you are at least a little bit of a fan of DA2 and haven't played the DLC, I recommend it. It does explain a lot about Corypheus and how he was released, but I also thought it was a great DLC and of itself. Tip: Take Anders along for a pre-boss warm up.
DA:I: Doctor Corypheus Evil, shooting freaking laser beams out of his hands. After showing up on occasion in the game to "Mwhahaha" in some memorable but sparse sequences. Halfheartedly summoning a few mooks that even without white masterwork Tier 3 takes literally seconds to kill. His dragon provided something of a challenge, but it was over all too briefly. Between that and the plot flag bug I tripped the first time, that's been since patched (did too much damage too quick = cutscenes didn't kick in = I had to restart the fight,) it took some of the wind out of my sails.
I think the Corypheus fight - the actual battle - was visually impressive and as meaninglessly underwhelming as ever single Bioware fight ever done. The issue with the ending isn't the boss battle, which is more or less like all other boss battle in Bioware games.
The issue is that the ending is crazy abrupt. The other Bioware games have a lot of build up. ME1 has the race through the Conduit, building tension, to the run through the Citadel (outside, in Space™!), to the Saren showdown. ME2 has the suicide mission, which is still (IMO) the greatest end sequence in a Bioware game ever. Even ME3's run through Earth is a solid mission, with the issue (again, IMO) being the game turning into an anti-climatic troll sequence you when you get blasted by Harbinger.
DA has the same approach - DA:O gives you the run through Denerim, which is a great sequence despite the very underwhelming (IMO) AD fight, and DA2 gives you the rush through Kirkwall.
With Corypheus, you're just plopped into the boss battle. That sequence could only have worked if:
(1) Re-opening the breach again send out hordes of demons, like Wrath of Heaven, but this time even worse.
(2) You had to race to the breach while the world was being torn to shreds as the breach expanded, raising tension. Ideally you'd have to have suicide mission like mechanics, explaining why most of your squad isn't with you at the final showdown.
(3) You finally reached Corypheus.
Geralt is fine =). I play him like charming rogue. Mostly a little snarky but sometimes I have him be more gentle and sometimes he just says my way or my way ;-). He has grown on me at least. I would prefer to make my "own" character but they have done a great job with him I think.
And I do not get that, as my initial confrontation with Cory took several attempts. With my second Inq, it was much easier, but I then knew what to expect. Still, much better than the running of the maze ending of Legacy DLC, IMO.
Its more about story structure than gameplay.
Cory was already beaten by the time they dump you in front of him for a final confrontation and plagued by constant military failures, along with it happening seemingly at random and far to abrupt. Having the enemy already being beaten by the time you fight him is a big no no in rpg storytelling, and something bioware never did before that point as far as i can recall.
ME1 - The geth are assaulting the citadel in force and its pretty clear **** is about to go down unless Saren is stopped.
ME2 - For all its flaws with its main story, the final confrontation have the collectors actually fighting you in full force.
ME3 - Same thing as the above with the reapers on earth really. (this ending have other problems)
Could go on but point should be clear.
I think the Corypheus fight - the actual battle - was visually impressive and as meaninglessly underwhelming as ever single Bioware fight ever done. The issue with the ending isn't the boss battle, which is more or less like all other boss battle in Bioware games.
The issue is that the ending is crazy abrupt. The other Bioware games have a lot of build up. ME1 has the race through the Conduit, building tension, to the run through the Citadel (outside, in Space™!), to the Saren showdown. ME2 has the suicide mission, which is still (IMO) the greatest end sequence in a Bioware game ever. Even ME3's run through Earth is a solid mission, with the issue (again, IMO) being the game turning into an anti-climatic troll sequence you when you get blasted by Harbinger.
DA has the same approach - DA:O gives you the run through Denerim, which is a great sequence despite the very underwhelming (IMO) AD fight, and DA2 gives you the rush through Kirkwall.
With Corypheus, you're just plopped into the boss battle. That sequence could only have worked if:
(1) Re-opening the breach again send out hordes of demons, like Wrath of Heaven, but this time even worse.
(2) You had to race to the breach while the world was being torn to shreds as the breach expanded, raising tension. Ideally you'd have to have suicide mission like mechanics, explaining why most of your squad isn't with you at the final showdown.
(3) You finally reached Corypheus.
Yes, I would more or less agree to that. The boss battle was as the usually are but there was a lacking in build-up to it. I found the way through Denerim was much tougher than the archdemon itself.
Its more about story structure than gameplay.
Cory was already beaten by the time they dump you in front of him for a final confrontation and plagued by constant military failures, along with it happening seemingly at random and far to abrupt. Having the enemy already being beaten by the time you fight him is a big no no in rpg storytelling, and something bioware never did before that point as far as i can recall.
ME1 - The geth are assaulting the citadel in force and its pretty clear **** is about to go down unless Saren is stopped.
ME2 - For all its flaws with its main story, the final confrontation have the collectors actually fighting you in full force.
ME3 - Same thing as the above with the reapers on earth really. (this ending have other problems)
Could go on but point should be clear.
There's no issue with Corypheus having been beaten. Bioware could absolutely have run with Corypheus just totally losing his ****, cracking open the breach, and allowing it to take and wreck the entire world because he's a sore loser.
You don't actually need Corypheus and his mooks to win any of the previous times to make a threatening end-game when you've got a supernatural apocalypse in the background.
There's no issue with Corypheus having been beaten. Bioware could absolutely have run with Corypheus just totally losing his ****, cracking open the breach, and allowing it to take and wreck the entire world because he's a sore loser.
You don't actually need Corypheus and his mooks to win any of the previous times to make a threatening end-game when you've got a supernatural apocalypse in the background.
Having corypheus actually doing something threatening during the climax is in effect the same thing, albeit in a different manner.
What I meant more is having him being beaten along the way and then just dumping him in there like they suddenly realized the game needs to end at some point.
Even ME3's run through Earth is a solid mission, with the issue (again, IMO) being the game turning into an anti-climatic troll sequence you when you get blasted by Harbinger.
Priority Earth still remains one of the most disappointing finally mission imo 
Having corypheus actually doing something threatening during the climax is in effect the same thing, albeit in a different manner.
What I meant more is having him being beaten along the way and then just dumping him in there like they suddenly realized the game needs to end at some point.
Sure, but I think it's important to recognize that, in principle, the villain losing throughout the story doesn't have to weaken the villain for an epic finale. I say this because I hate, hate, hate the way games always have load bearing bosses. The AD is the best example of this (the darkspawn literally give up winning when it dies) and it's just the cheapest possible plot contrivance. In my view.
Sure, but I think it's important to recognize that, in principle, the villain losing throughout the story doesn't have to weaken the villain for an epic finale. I say this because I hate, hate, hate the way games always have load bearing bosses. The AD is the best example of this (the darkspawn literally give up winning when it dies) and it's just the cheapest possible plot contrivance. In my view.
Can certainly see the reasoning for that, there's a thin line between having the enemy still being somewhat of a threat by the final fight and wielding a doomsday weapon as a last resort, few games manages to hit the right spot there.
Far too many games use that trope, that I agree on.
With Corypheus, you're just plopped into the boss battle. That sequence could only have worked if:
(1) Re-opening the breach again send out hordes of demons, like Wrath of Heaven, but this time even worse.
(2) You had to race to the breach while the world was being torn to shreds as the breach expanded, raising tension. Ideally you'd have to have suicide mission like mechanics, explaining why most of your squad isn't with you at the final showdown.
(3) You finally reached Corypheus.
There's no issue with Corypheus having been beaten. Bioware could absolutely have run with Corypheus just totally losing his ****, cracking open the breach, and allowing it to take and wreck the entire world because he's a sore loser.
You don't actually need Corypheus and his mooks to win any of the previous times to make a threatening end-game when you've got a supernatural apocalypse in the background.
This actually would've been really good to set up the final confrontation with Corypheus, especially if they added some of the elements from DAO's battle of Denerim
And you are partially correct; am not playing the game. I know little of the character, and likely will not attempt to do so.But the previous poster appears to be addressing those that do not care for Geralt, and they seem to understand why. My point is that since it seems to be a beautifully crafted environment, perhaps making a PC that was able to be enjoyed by more than the current group of Players might have been more of a priority.Again, bias blinds context....
Its more about story structure than gameplay.
Cory was already beaten by the time they dump you in front of him for a final confrontation and plagued by constant military failures, along with it happening seemingly at random and far to abrupt. Having the enemy already being beaten by the time you fight him is a big no no in rpg storytelling, and something bioware never did before that point as far as i can recall.
ME1 - The geth are assaulting the citadel in force and its pretty clear **** is about to go down unless Saren is stopped.
ME2 - For all its flaws with its main story, the final confrontation have the collectors actually fighting you in full force.
ME3 - Same thing as the above with the reapers on earth really. (this ending have other problems)
Could go on but point should be clear.
ME2 - For all its flaws with its main story, the final confrontation have the collectors actually fighting you in full force.
Sort of. The Collector Base had a curious lack of praetorians guarding it.
Why would they change the PC in the third game? Or Are you saying they should've chosen a customizable PC from the First game?
Sort of. The Collector Base had a curious lack of praetorians guarding it.
I have no idea who Geralt is, or if it has been changed; only know it is pre-made, and appears to be a personality not accepted by all..
Presumably they got caught off guard.
I guess, but they were presumably at alert the moment the cruiser left the station. Ultimately, I think multiple praetorians might have ended up being game-breaking in difficulty, because just the one on Horizon was a total pain in the ass unless you had a Cain with you.
Aside from CC, it sounds like Hawke:-)
Hawke gets more variance in personality, though it's a YMMV if people think that matters.
Aside from CC, it sounds like Hawke:-)
I have no idea who Geralt is, or if it has been changed; only know it is pre-made, and appears to be a personality not accepted by all.
And some players may be new to the franchise, and not have any idea of the past events, books, etc; game should (and already might) help such fans along.
Geralt is a set character from a series of polish fantasy books the whole franchise is based upon, replacing him isn't really an option if they want to tell the same story as they have and have some manner of proper continuity with the already established lore.
From my knowledge (I didn't read any books before the firs Two games, Though I didn't play yet TW3), I had no problems relato v to the characters and the events before the games.I have no idea who Geralt is, or if it has been changed; only know it is pre-made, and appears to be a personality not accepted by all.And some players may be new to the franchise, and not have any idea of the past events, books, etc; game should (and already might) help such fans along.
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