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Geralt is a set character from a series of polish fantasy books the whole franchise is based upon, replacing him isn't really an option if they want to tell the same story as they have and have some manner of proper continuity with the already established lore.

 

Geralt died in the books, as did Yen. Having a series set in a post-Geralt world, with a create-your-own Witcher, wouldn't have really been that different. The reason Geralt is the PC is that, as becomes apparent with TW3, the devs in TW1 kind of wanted to write a fan-fiction version with dark twist of the book's narrative for Geralt (with Triss staring as Yen, Shani staring as Triss, and Alvin being substitute-Ciri). 


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I think it's a safe assumption that The Witcher series will end with Geralt, as I don't expect CDPR to really drag out the Witcher series that far beyond TW3, though with the bit about his journey pretty much ending I'd like to see where they'd go with that. I'm very curious to see what Cyberpunk 2077 will be like.


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Hawke gets more variance in personality, though it's a YMMV if people think that matters.


Yes, and even with those personalities she/he was not accepted well at all. Just like how elhanan described Geralt. Though, I dont know why, I quite liked angry fem hawke.

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Geralt died in the books, as did Yen. Having a series set in a post-Geralt world, with a create-your-own Witcher, wouldn't have really been that different. The reason Geralt is the PC is that, as becomes apparent with TW3, the devs in TW1 kind of wanted to write a fan-fiction version with dark twist of the book's narrative for Geralt (with Triss staring as Yen, Shani staring as Triss, and Alvin being substitute-Ciri). 

I have no doubt about that they could easily have made a game set in the same universe that weren't about geralt but id argue it kind of needs him for the story they did go with in the latest witcher game when the whole thing came to a close, either way geralts story is done by W3 and cyberpunk is said to feature customizable characters.



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I have no doubt about that they could easily have made a game set in the same universe that weren't about geralt but id argue it kind of needs him for the story they did go with in the latest witcher game when the whole thing came to a close, either way geralts story is done by W3 and cyberpunk is said to feature customizable characters.

 

All I'm saying is that I don't think it would have been that hard to do a similar story w/o Geralt. You'd just lose all the rich backstory. Which is certainly a big loss, don't get me wrong. 



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Having corypheus actually doing something threatening during the climax is in effect the same thing, albeit in a different manner.

 

What I meant more is having him being beaten along the way and then just dumping him in there like they suddenly realized the game needs to end at some point.

 

I think it would've been cool had Corypheus literally brought about the end of the world but Skyhold is held in stasis in a bubble. You're then forced to venture forth into a literal destroyed world to confront Corypheus and his dragon and both close the rift and somehow reverse time.



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I think it would've been cool had Corypheus literally brought about the end of the world but Skyhold is held in stasis in a bubble. You're then forced to venture forth into a literal destroyed world to confront Corypheus and his dragon and both close the rift and somehow reverse time.

 

Wouldn't that basically repeat the plot of mage's alliance quest (venturing forth into a destroyed world seen in future Redcliffe)?



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I think it would've been cool had Corypheus literally brought about the end of the world but Skyhold is held in stasis in a bubble. You're then forced to venture forth into a literal destroyed world to confront Corypheus and his dragon and both close the rift and somehow reverse time.

Anything would have been better than we got


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Wouldn't that basically repeat the plot of mage's alliance quest (venturing forth into a destroyed world seen in future Redcliffe)?

 

That was more of a corrupted world and even then only in the castle instead of a straight-up blown up world with no survivors. I do agree... maybe plot wise too similar.



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Aside from CC, it sounds like Hawke:-)

 

Hawke has a lot more wiggle room than Geralt does.

 

Witcher 3 is a fine game and I wish CDPR and their fans all the best. But honestly I rather BW do what they're strong at and that's writing companions and interactions with said companions. The only thing I would want BW to take from the witcher would be side quest design.

 

But honestly I found the Witcher 3 while pretty and fun (but god I hate the combat. ugh I rather be forced to play NV without VATS) I'm not overly drawn to it the way I am something where I can design my own character. That holds a *lot* of value to me. That and the playoff with companions and my PC is something that I find very valuable in my games. So I get why people love Witcher 3 but I feel like that kid that's all "ehhh." especially at the "it's sooooo much better than X, Y and Z." comparisons.


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It'd be nice going forward to see a new AAA rpg that gets away from the medieval european fantasy trope, europe isn't the only thing that existed during that time, why not mix in some middle eastern and asian?

 

My weeb is showing when I say I'd love to play in an era similar to Ruroni Kenshin and it's setting. Where guns were sort of showing up, the era of the samurai is kind of coming to a close but people are fighting to keep it that way. Civil war between either a new government or older government still fighting for control over their land, with a ton of side quests and characters would come in to play. Demons optional, preferred, or monsters.. Variety of different weapons one can use or styles of combat. Not like dark souls, as it is still a European Fantasy with a lot of asian like things, but an actually Asian themed story.

 

 I was hoping AC (even though it's totally not really a CC type rpg) would take it in that direction eventually, but kind of glad they didn't afterall.


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But I do tire of reading posts that fail to represent TW3, and simply want to diminish DAI, that team while on their forums. So I speak up, and some seem to fail to comprehend what was written over what they assume I actually said. For those folks, I recommend the Ignore option here.

Well, then how exactly was Rawgrim post about diminishing DAI? He only praised TW3 and didn't mentioned Inquisition at all - yet for some reason you felt the need to contradict even his own personal opinion.

 

Also, I don't have a need to block you because I've read a few of your post in non-TW3 related threads and you are obviously a very logical and polite person. Your posts here however sometimes feel the opposite of that for some reason. It doesn't annoy me, it just puzzles me.

 

But hey, if in the end you actually wish the best for both companies, then I applaud and agree with that. ^_^


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It'd be nice going forward to see a new AAA rpg that gets away from the medieval european fantasy trope, europe isn't the only thing that existed during that time, why not mix in some middle eastern and asian?

 

I would buy 30 copies of an AAA rpg set in ancient imperial china. So how about that Jade Empire sequel, BW? 


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Well, then how exactly was Rawgrim post about diminishing DAI? He only praised TW3 and didn't mentioned Inquisition at all - yet for some reason you felt the need to contradict even his own personal opinion.
 
Also, I don't have a need to block you because I've read a few of your post in non-TW3 related threads and you are obviously a very logical and polite person. Your posts here however sometimes feel the opposite of that for some reason. It doesn't annoy me, it just puzzles me.
 
But hey, if in the end you actually wish the best for both companies, then I applaud and agree with that. ^_^


I do not recall contradicting said Poster, but I did question the observations. For all I know, TW3 does have the positive content mentioned earlier. I simply questioned that the PC which seems to get mixed praise might need to be a higher priority as it is a constant in all the material; good or bad. Pls re-read the content and context; seem to be one that is not assuming my dislike for something that is not under the Bioware label.

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All I'm saying is that I don't think it would have been that hard to do a similar story w/o Geralt. You'd just lose all the rich backstory. Which is certainly a big loss, don't get me wrong. 

A loss for some, perhaps. But not for others. For others, it would be a plus. 



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A loss for some, perhaps. But not for others. For others, it would be a plus. 

 

You think the lack of a rich backstory is just a net plus? I imagine the pro-headcanon reasons to object to backstory are cost related (they can never offer enough or enough detail to satisfy everyone) vs. a general argument that a  backstory, in itself, is not good. 



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A loss for some, perhaps. But not for others. For others, it would be a plus. 

Well it would be a huge loss for me so I'm glad they didn't go down that road

 

Especially DA:I showes what happens if you have too many options (and want the protag to be voiced):
You get a boring protagonist and very few RP options

 

Hell I even missed the silent Warden while playing Inquisition, if they really wanted to add races again then they should have made

the Inquisitor silent too otherwise its just too much work and it showed

 

Of course going the Hawke/Shepard route is still the best option in my opinion


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I have no idea who Geralt is, or if it has been changed; only know it is pre-made, and appears to be a personality not accepted by all.

And some players may be new to the franchise, and not have any idea of the past events, books, etc; game should (and already might) help such fans along.


Who cares if not everyone likes Geralt? I mean, seriously. It's just asinine to use that as a critique. Loads of people disliked Hawke and the Inquisitor and they're not "pre-made". Loads of people do like them. I love Geralt and find him very interesting. I don't know how that statement is suppose to mean anything.

I find that TW3 is very user friendly to first timers. You get a very good character database that helps with characters you don't know and there are loads of books, etc. I have a friend who is playing it now for the first time and he is not having any trouble following the story.

You sure have a lot of negative things to say for someone who hasn't touched the game.
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Who cares if not everyone likes Geralt? I mean, seriously. It's just asinine to use that as a critique. Loads of people disliked Hawke and the Inquisitor and they're not "pre-made". Loads of people do like them. I love Geralt and find him very interesting. I don't know how that statement is suppose to mean anything.

I find that TW3 is very user friendly to first timers. You get a very good character database that helps with characters you don't know and there are loads of books, etc. I have a friend who is playing it now for the first time and he is not having any trouble following the story.

You sure have a lot of negative things to say for someone who hasn't touched the game.


Perhaps Geralt is quite pleasing to most of the Players; still it was not me that brought up the notion that many do not like him for whatever reason. I simply commented on that thought.

And Yes; still not planning on playing the game no matter how many others like it. While I regret skipping this more than watching GoT, Breaking Bad, and a host of other popular shows, books, games, etc, I prefer other content. And I hold out for hope that the occasional entertainment feature does not lure me into caving, and they change their minds about their presentations.

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Perhaps Geralt is quite pleasing to most of the Players; still it was not me that brought up the notion that many do not like him for whatever reason. I simply commented on that thought.

And Yes; still not planning on playing the game no matter how many others like it. While I regret skipping this more than watching GoT, Breaking Bad, and a host of other popular shows, books, games, etc, I prefer other content. And I hold out for hope that the occasional entertainment feature does not lure me into caving, and they change their minds about their presentations.

Well all I can say is that you are missing out (Breaking Bad & GoT are some of the best tv shows ever and now TW wtf?)

Your choice I guess


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Perhaps Geralt is quite pleasing to most of the Players; still it was not me that brought up the notion that many do not like him for whatever reason. I simply commented on that thought.

And Yes; still not planning on playing the game no matter how many others like it. While I regret skipping this more than watching GoT, Breaking Bad, and a host of other popular shows, books, games, etc, I prefer other content. And I hold out for hope that the occasional entertainment feature does not lure me into caving, and they change their minds about their presentations.


You're going to miss so much in life if you continue to censure yourself. It's your choice, of course. May I ask a question? What do you do in public if someone is using language or conducting themselves in an unbecoming manner? Do you ignore it, or say something. I am just curious.
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Well all I can say is that you are missing out (Breaking Bad & GoT are some of the best tv shows ever and now TW ....)
Your choice I guess


Yeppers; my choice. And based on what I have read, not missing on much at all.

OTOH, had hopes for TW3 as it was going over so huge about a year ago. But as more was revealed, and my inquires about content were left with answers I did not like, so passing on it seemed better than fighting frustration. Now I await SkyWind, and replay DAI and other titles.

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Who cares if not everyone likes Geralt? I mean, seriously. It's just asinine to use that as a critique. Loads of people disliked Hawke and the Inquisitor and they're not "pre-made". Loads of people do like them. I love Geralt and find him very interesting. I don't know how that statement is suppose to mean anything.
 

Semi related but not related really to your main post topic..

 

I'd argue Hawke is premade character with quite a bit of variety to his story. Sidenote: I bet not a lot of people liked Carver but he probably had one of the best character growths in a lot of the dragon age series. For one year of development, I'd say they did a smashing job with Hawke versus say the Inquisitor who had arguably 3 years.

 

There was overall less content with the main story yet with the personalities, the variations between Carver/Bethany in who lived/died and how it impacted the story felt pretty fantastic considering. Overall I should comment I prefer the companions from DAI over DA2 still to DAI's credit.

 

To try to bring it back to your topic post.. I am completely fine with a pre made character so long as I have a wide variety of options during my playthrough. CDPR did a fantastic job with Geralt IMO. 

 

I also believe a game should be made for a target audience that shares the same views/desires as the creators. It should be up to people to decide whether or not they want to play that game. Trying to change something just for the sake of making it appeal specifically to wider audiences is fine so long as they don't deviate from the content creators like minded target audience. 


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You're going to miss so much in life if you continue to censure yourself. It's your choice, of course. May I ask a question? What do you do in public if someone is using language or conducting themselves in an unbecoming manner? Do you ignore it, or say something. I am just curious.


In my experience, if someone was conducting themselves in such a manner, I hung up the phone. In person, I excused myself and walked away. And while this could cause hiccups, all my supervisors had my back, and never really had much trouble in 25+ yrs in the hospitality business.

Privately, my friends have better manners than I do, as I started becoming crankier and less diplomatic on the forums when I hit 50+ yrs old. And now that I am homebound, I choose to try for better methods and environs for my entertainment.

I do not mind censuring and restraining myself, as one should try and have reigned strength. And while I ain't perfect, I accept it, keep trying, and live for my standards; not those of others.

Enough about myself; hope that Geralt is another that follows his own standards, too.

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Yeppers; my choice. And based on what I have read, not missing on much at all.

OTOH, had hopes for TW3 as it was going over so huge about a year ago. But as more was revealed, and my inquires about content were left with answers I did not like, so passing on it seemed better than fighting frustration. Now I await SkyWind, and replay DAI and other titles.

How had you hopes for TW3 though? The franchise has been very consistent so things you didn't like in TW2 (I assume its the profanity?)

were not going to change suddenly in the third installment

 

Or does something else bother you about the games?


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