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[rashie]

but that's just it. why must they tell the same story? why can't Gerralt be like Hawke or Shepard - a sort-of set character, but customizable by the player. I can guarantee that 95% of the people playing the game haven't read the books and perhaps only half were even aware of them.

 

"Gerralt needs to be like he is because of the books" isn't a good answer because he doesn't need to be like anything. How much of the Witcher game story is hurt if Gerralt isn't an older straight white male?

To anyone that have any idea about the books, the whole premise with Ciri would come off as extremely lore breaking without geralt being the set character already established.

 

I have said this one already but, its not impossible by any means to get a good or even great story in there without geralt but it kind of needs him for the one they did go with. Its an act of respecting the source material pretty much.

 

I can certainly see the argument for visual customization (you do have the option to change his hairstyle and what form of beard he has) to some degree but he still needs to be the witcher geralt.

[Xetykins]

How much of the Witcher game story is hurt if Gerralt isn't an older straight white male?

I think it would hurt the lore a lot because as I understand the game ( I haven't played the series but seen a lot) Yenn is like the love of his life and probably Triss is a close second. How weird would it be if you could play Geralt as gay? Or a 100% slavic character with dark skin with afro hair. Not everything has to have that representation. To do so would water the story of this character down. The story is about a straight white male looking to be reunited with the love of his life which happened to be female and to search for his sort of adopted daughter, and I have to say , a very compelling story at that . Im an Asian female, and this game represents everything that I'm not, so I'm not just being weird here.

[Hazegurl]

but that's just it. why must they tell the same story? why can't Gerralt be like Hawke or Shepard - a sort-of set character, but customizable by the player. I can guarantee that 95% of the people playing the game haven't read the books and perhaps only half were even aware of them.

 

"Gerralt needs to be like he is because of the books" isn't a good answer because he doesn't need to be like anything. How much of the Witcher game story is hurt if Gerralt isn't an older straight white male?

The simple answer is that CDPR had a set story and set vision for the lead and did not want to add a CC.  The complicated answer is that perhaps they didn't want to create a CC because they knew it would be too much hassle in the long run.  Meet one demand and twenty more will usually follow. It wouldn't be enough to add hair and facial customizations.  People will then complain that they can't be black, a woman, a woman with small breasts, Asian,  et c.  Then come the "I wanna be a dwarf..."  Oh wait they already get all of these complaints.  So why should they go through the trouble of meeting any of those demands? Especially when it goes against what they want for the story?  Which is about Geralt of Rivia, his life, his story, his friends, his loves et al.

 

I'd rather play the game as intended then to waddle through CDPR contriving plots  and romances together to make "Random RPG Protag" fit.  The relationship between Geralt and Ciri would just not be achievable through some random PC hero.

[DragonsDream]

The simple answer is that CDPR had a set story and set vision for the lead and did not want to add a CC.  The complicated answer is that perhaps they didn't want to create a CC because they knew it would be too much hassle in the long run.  Meet one demand and twenty more will usually follow. It wouldn't be enough to add hair and facial customizations.  People will then complain that they can't be black, a woman, a woman with small breasts, Asian,  et c.  Then come the "I wanna be a dwarf..."  Oh wait they already get all of these complaints.  So why should they go through the trouble of meeting any of those demands? Especially when it goes against what they want for the story?  Which is about Geralt of Rivia, his life, his story, his friends, his loves et al.

 

I'd rather play the game as intended then to waddle through CDPR contriving plots  and romances together to make "Random RPG Protag" fit.  The relationship between Geralt and Ciri would just not be achievable through some random PC hero.

an argument could be made that the story of Geralt of Rivia requires Geralt to be male*. But what about the story requires him to be white?

Nice strawman there, talking about playing as a dwarf, which no one here is talking about. No one talks about playing Shepard as a Quarian, so that's really not in play here. Your putting the cart before the horse, saying Geralt is a white male and that's the story being told, except what about the story requires those things, and even more so why is that the required story to tell, if it limits Geralt to being a white male? Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?

 

If your reply is "no" you're lying. If it's "yes, but why bother?" then you have just articulated the problem.

 

*the entire story could be gender flipped but I do recognize that for cost reasons, that isn't really a valid options.

[Steelcan]

Yeah guys why didn't CDPR make Geralt, canonically white, any race imaginable? He would have been the only nonwhite guy in the game, for no reason mind you, since none of the nations at play are exactly hotbeds of ethnic diversity.

[Milan92]

an argument could be made that the story of Geralt of Rivia requires Geralt to be male*. But what about the story requires him to be white?

Nice strawman there, talking about playing as a dwarf, which no one here is talking about. No one talks about playing Shepard as a Quarian, so that's really not in play here. Your putting the cart before the horse, saying Geralt is a white male and that's the story being told, except what about the story requires those things, and even more so why is that the required story to tell, if it limits Geralt to being a white male? Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?

 

If your reply is "no" you're lying. If it's "yes, but why bother?" then you have just articulated the problem.

 

*the entire story could be gender flipped but I do recognize that for cost reasons, that isn't really a valid options.

 

Geralt is a white straight male, because he's that in the book series as well. CDPR wanted to use that for their game.

 

Its that simple.

[The Elder King]

an argument could be made that the story of Geralt of Rivia requires Geralt to be male*. But what about the story requires him to be white?
Nice strawman there, talking about playing as a dwarf, which no one here is talking about. No one talks about playing Shepard as a Quarian, so that's really not in play here. Your putting the cart before the horse, saying Geralt is a white male and that's the story being told, except what about the story requires those things, and even more so why is that the required story to tell, if it limits Geralt to being a white male? Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?
 
If your reply is "no" you're lying. If it's "yes, but why bother?" then you have just articulated the problem.
 
*the entire story could be gender flipped but I do recognize that for cost reasons, that isn't really a valid options.

Geralt is white in the books. They couldn't change his skin colour.

[Dread-Reaper]

an argument could be made that the story of Geralt of Rivia requires Geralt to be male*. But what about the story requires him to be white?

Nice strawman there, talking about playing as a dwarf, which no one here is talking about. No one talks about playing Shepard as a Quarian, so that's really not in play here. Your putting the cart before the horse, saying Geralt is a white male and that's the story being told, except what about the story requires those things, and even more so why is that the required story to tell, if it limits Geralt to being a white male? Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?

 

If your reply is "no" you're lying. If it's "yes, but why bother?" then you have just articulated the problem.

 

*the entire story could be gender flipped but I do recognize that for cost reasons, that isn't really a valid options.

The story can't be gender flipped because if Geralt was a female then he couldn't be a Witcher. If wasn't a Witcher he'd never meet Ciri, if he didn't meet Ciri he'd never be captured by the Wild Hunt. If he wasn't captured by The Wild Hunt there'd be no 'The Witcher: Enhanced Edition' game.

 

He's white because he was born in the Northern Realms, where about 99% of the people are white. If he was born in the South or Zerrikania he'd never attend The School of the Wolf, he'd never meet his current friends and lover(s), and never get involved in the politics of the Northern Realms. 

[Torgette]

The idea of the Inquisitor intelligently 'subverting' the Chosen One archetype is flatly a joke.

Everything the Inquisitor accomplishes is because of the almighty power of 'Because BioWare says so.' From building up the Inquisition from nothing into the supposed most powerful force in Thedas, to being a super-competent badass in combat, to gaining the gushing loyalty of just about every friendly character in the game, to all of the supposed 'incredible deeds,' there's very little evidence that's there's any legitimate reason behind it. Very little to demonstrate any believable competence, and sure as hell nothing even remotely close to convince me that this was a person capable of carving an empire from nothing.

The closest we saw was the attack on Haven, but it just wasn't anywhere near enough to carry the rest of the game.

I really hope BioWare does not try this drivel again for the next ME game...

 

They subverted the chosen one trope but not all the way obviously - despite having the themes there they still needed impossible things to happen for the sake of the plot. I don't know if that's a failure - if Bioware had no intention of the Inquisitor completely subverting the trope or they just wanted to be gray about it. One reason I like the idea of the Inquisitor being consumed by the anchor in a future sequel (assuming we play as somebody else) is to bring full circle the accidental nature of the story.

[Eonetic]

Geralt appeared in 8 books and 2 games prior to The Witcher 3, He's a set character and we know how he looks.

 

End of story.

[Dreadstruck]

Are we really arguing about the race and gender of a character who has almost 20+ years worth of lore behind him, including short stories, books, comics, movies, tv series and games? That's akin to whining about why Aragorn couldn't be a female Haradrim in games based on LOTR.

 

Some people should really refrain from hitting the "Post" button before actually knowing something about the subject at hand.

 

Especially DragonsDream. God, I've read some dumb stuff but you sure put them all to shame.

[Torgette]

Are we really arguing about the race and gender of a character who has almost 20+ years worth of lore behind him, including short stories, books, comics, movies, tv series and games? That's akin to whining about why Aragorn couldn't be a female Haradrim in games based on LOTR.

 

Some people should really refrain from hitting the "Post" button before actually knowing something about the subject at hand.

 

I think some people are taking the feedback to a stupid extreme including people on both sides of the fence - you have some that want Bioware to abandon CC in favor of a fixed preset protagonist and others arguing CDPR should abandon the fixed preset protagonist for a CC. Some people want rpg's to homogenize into one beige everything mess, i'm totally fine with each developer adding their own unique flavor even if it's not perfect. Arguing against Geralt is dumb too as he's part of an established series of books and lore - Bioware on the flip side being forced into a fixed protagonist is dumb as they wrote their own lore and should be able to do whatever they want with it.

[SnakeCode]

Are we really arguing about the race and gender of a character who has almost 20+ years worth of lore behind him, including short stories, books, comics, movies, tv series and games? That's akin to whining about why Aragorn couldn't be a female Haradrim in games based on LOTR.

 

Some people should really refrain from hitting the "Post" button before actually knowing something about the subject at hand.

 

This is the BSN. Nothing here should surprise you. I've seen people on here complaining that you have to play as a white guy in the Arkham games. Yes, really. Batman has been around a fair bit longer than Geralt too, since 1939 in fact.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

maybe bruce wayne retired and passed the costume to some wealthy korean guy? i mean... 76?! it's about time to stop jumping from high buildings... or was it spiderman? i can never tell one super hero from another.

[Torgette]

This is the BSN. Nothing here should surprise you. I've seen people on here complaining that you have to play as a white guy in the Arkham games. Yes, really. Batman has been around a fair bit longer than Geralt too, since 1939 in fact.

 

Well to be fair thanks to the movies Batman is sort of the James Bond of comic book characters, wouldn't be shocked if they cast somebody non-white in the future for the role.

[Xetykins]

Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?.

You probably could, but that's like totally undermining, and butchering what the author had written about his beloved character on his novels, in which the game was based on. If there was not that much lore around him from books, comics etc, there will probably be more leeway for things. What you had in mind only works for empty slate protags i think.

[FKA_Servo]

I still think that there's nothing about the story that requires you to be "Geralt." There are plenty of games set in well-established literary universes where you don't play anyone featured in the source material (GoT and LoTR games come to mind).

 

DA2 and ME says you can make a "fixed protagonist" game (at least to the extent that Geralt appears to be fixed) and still retain a CC. Hopefully, in future games, they'll do it this way.

[BabyPuncher]

it's a pretty basic story telling truism that a hero is only as good as her antagonist. A weak enemy means the hero doesn't have to overcome much and thus doesn't have to change or grow much which means a boring story.

That assumes the enemy is really what the hero is struggling to overcome. Oftentimes, the real struggle is somewhere else entirely.

[Torgette]

That assumes the enemy is really what the hero is struggling to overcome. Oftentimes, the real struggle is somewhere else entirely.

 

Antagonists are just excuses to have good adventures anyways, that's why Mass Effect was at its best when the reapers were mysterious and far away.

[The Elder King]

I still think that there's nothing about the story that requires you to be "Geralt." There are plenty of games set in well-established literary universes where you don't play anyone featured in the source material (GoT and LoTR games come to mind).
 
DA2 and ME says you can make a "fixed protagonist" game (at least to the extent that Geralt appears to be fixed) and still retain a CC. Hopefully, in future games, they'll do it this way.

A game set in the TW universe with a custom PC is definitely possible. I don't think howewer it'd have worked as well as Geralt for the third game, from What I know about it.

[ashwind]

an argument could be made that the story of Geralt of Rivia requires Geralt to be male*. But what about the story requires him to be white?

Nice strawman there, talking about playing as a dwarf, which no one here is talking about. No one talks about playing Shepard as a Quarian, so that's really not in play here. Your putting the cart before the horse, saying Geralt is a white male and that's the story being told, except what about the story requires those things, and even more so why is that the required story to tell, if it limits Geralt to being a white male? Could the story not be told were Geralt black? or Asian?

 

If your reply is "no" you're lying. If it's "yes, but why bother?" then you have just articulated the problem.

 

*the entire story could be gender flipped but I do recognize that for cost reasons, that isn't really a valid options.

 

Geralt is a mutant with albinism, also known as Gwynbleidd which means "White Wolf" in the elder tongue. NPCs in the game often comment on how pale he is, that he looks like a ghost.

 

Sure, CDPR can butcher all the lore and spit in the author's face and make him whatever color to be politically correct/stupid. The Witcher game CDPR made is about Geralt of Rivia, a character created by Andrzej Sapkowski and hence if they want to use Geralt in their game, they should respect the author's creation.

 

Sure....... Hispanic Superman, Asian Batman, Black Captain America and a Dwarven Female Link (Zelda Series).   Let's butcher every iconic character.... 

[BabyPuncher]

People are just trying too hard to see something that isn't there
There is no deconstruction going on in DA I
Its your typical saving the world story (like DA O) but only executed in a rushed way

Yes, well, it should be noted that the 'typical world saving story' is itself a subversion of the 'Chosen One' premise.

I mean, when's the last time we saw a story that actually played the "Chosen One' straight? Where the prophecy or whatever turns out to simply be true and not made up by someone or some sort of trick by the villain or just irrelevant?

[Gorwath-F]

but that's just it. why must they tell the same story? why can't Gerralt be like Hawke or Shepard - a sort-of set character, but customizable by the player. I can guarantee that 95% of the people playing the game haven't read the books and perhaps only half were even aware of them.

 

"Gerralt needs to be like he is because of the books" isn't a good answer because he doesn't need to be like anything. How much of the Witcher game story is hurt if Gerralt isn't an older straight white male?

 

I think Pong would have a better protagonist than Geralt, if I was allowed to customize color, thickness, width, and sexuality of my paddle. After all, headcanon does better storytelling than professionals ever could.

[Torgette]

Yes, well, it should be noted that the 'typical world saving story' is itself a subversion of the 'Chosen One' premise.

I mean, when's the last time we saw a story that actually played the "Chosen One' straight? Where the prophecy or whatever turns out to simply be true and not made up by someone or some sort of trick by the villain or just irrelevant?

 

Dune and Star Wars were both fun for the whole chosen one thing, that said they also didn't reach their full potential until the very end - KOTOR was the same way with the Revan revelation.