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[Steelcan]

Equality isn't the kind of thing that has to be justified. And as I said in the thread on this article that got dredged up here too: people's comical ignorance of history aside, the kind of identity politics people think existed in medieval times didn't actually exist. Gender segregation in the way people think being the biggest one, but racism and nationality being two even bigger ones.

without justification or reasoning we are left with a fantasy world that feels like someone reskinned an entirely 21st century cast and gave them all swords.

This is probably my biggest beef with the DA universe, its a 21st century setting where everyone wields swords and lives in thatch roof houses, its not medieval.

Obviously its not meant to be a perfect emulation of medieval life, and I can appreciate that it doesn't want to accurately portray it. But I am only willing to suspend my disbelief so far.

If you want to use a medieval setting to explore modern ideas and issues on topics like race, its going to strain credibility, especially if there is no justification or explanation for why the world is so different from the real one

[In Exile]

without justification or reasoning we are left with a fantasy world that feels like someone reskinned an entirely 21st century cast and gave them all swords.

This is probably my biggest beef with the DA universe, its a 21st century setting where everyone wields swords and lives in thatch roof houses, its not medieval.

Obviously its not meant to be a perfect emulation of medieval life, and I can appreciate that it doesn't want to accurately portray it. But I am only willing to suspend my disbelief so far.

If you want to use a medieval setting to explore modern ideas and issues on topics like race, its going to strain credibility, especially if there is no justification or explanation for why the world is so different from the real one

 

Racism isn't the natural state of humanity. That's my point. More importantly, again, if you want an actually faithful medieval representation then the first thing you should be complaining about is this bizarre post-enlightenment (in fact, post-Napoleonic) idea of nationalism. The fact that Ferelden sees itself as a unified nation from commoner to King is ridiculous by medieval standards, and one of the most anachronistic things about the setting. 

 

So when the focus is on sexism and racism, well, I get a bit skeptical. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

DA:I forums > All topics related to anything not DAI(all topics are about DAO,ME,Witcher compare stuff and even COD?) while topics about actual DAI are at 0! 

 

I seriously love this forum 

Anything to avoid discussing that rushed, cobbled-together, buggy malarkey 

[9TailsFox]

Witcher forums > All topics about Witcher with perhaps 3-4 topics unrelated to game!

 

DA:I forums > All topics related to anything not DAI(all topics are about DAO,ME,Witcher compare stuff and even COD?) while topics about actual DAI are at 0! 

 

I seriously love this forum 

Well witcher made for mature audience.

DA made for everyone. DA:I looks like made for people who like disney.

And Call of Duty fans http://www.nowgamer....dutys-audience/

[TheOgre]

Well witcher made for mature audience.

DA made for everyone. DA:I looks like made for people who like disney.

And Call of Duty fans http://www.nowgamer....dutys-audience/

 

I -- I knew why I don't like it -- IT DID feel CoD'ish!

[Il Divo]

Here it is in HD

Spoiler

 

Here is for DA:I

Spoiler

 

Now watch them both closely.

 

DAO, A lot of blood, aggressiveness, epic battles, few "suggestive" shots here and there - you can feel the atmosphere. Dark and  gritty

 

DAI. Just watch the first encounter few seconds into the trailer. There are LASERS shooting ??? Dragon age: Star Wars ? Then look at the peeps during the batles like viviene doing some laughable dance with that staff in the middle of the fight.

Everyone and their clothes are perfectly clean like they just bathed and did the laundry. Sterility on every step. And the colors ... entire game is full of vibrant colors and it looks sooooo plastic. Especially glaring during the battles with all those colourful particles and effects  flying all around.

 

Impression from both of the trailers:

DA:O violent, brutal, dark game. Fantasy horror ? Something like that

DA:I Disney-like style with everything clean and sweet. And of course mass of "cool" elements.

 

And of course Sir Marlyin Manson vs ... uhm ... some lame soundtrack 

 

To be dead honest, that DA:O trailer was bad, laughably so, in my opinion. If you really want a comparison, I'd point to the Urn of Sacred Ashes trailer. That was pretty sanitized and pretty close to the vibe of that DA:I trailer you linked. Group of heroes being badasses completely obliterating their enemies while jumping/flipping around/casting spells. 

[SofaJockey]

I dislike these 'be more like the Witcher threads' because they are usually just an excuse for more whining than any useful feedback.

 

That said:

• The game isn't out yet so it's a bit early to judge.
• DA should not be more like the Witcher, but areas where TW does well can inform DA4.
• Principally I think this revolves around how side content is handled.
• There are many things BioWare does so much better than the Witcher, which CDPR don't (by choice) touch.

I'm looking forward to TW3 which I hope will be excellent in it's own right and will raise the bar for fantasy RPG in general.

[Seraphim24]

• The game isn't out yet so it's a bit early to judge.

 

I think the comparisons were between TW and DA generally.

 

DA should not be more like the Witcher, but areas where TW does well can inform DA4.

 

That's the same exact thing.

 

• Principally I think this revolves around how side content is handled.

 

Nope.

 

 

• There are many things BioWare does so much better than the Witcher, which CDPR don't (by choice) touch.

 

I'm curious what those things would be?

[TheOgre]

I dislike these 'be more like the Witcher threads' because they are usually just an excuse for more whining than any useful feedback.

 

That said:

• The game isn't out yet so it's a bit early to judge.
• DA should not be more like the Witcher, but areas where TW does well can inform DA4.
• Principally I think this revolves around how side content is handled.
• There are many things BioWare does so much better than the Witcher, which CDPR don't (by choice) touch.

I'm looking forward to TW3 which I hope will be excellent in it's own right and will raise the bar for fantasy RPG in general.

 

I think DA has changed too much by trying to copy other series or trying to branch out to too many other audiences.

[SofaJockey]

I'm curious what those things would be?

 

hmm, how can you have made 3,000 posts and not know what BioWare does that Witcher doesn't 

• Much wider choice of protagonist, including gender/race/orientation
• Party combat (thanks AR...)
• Saving the world plotlines
• The wonderful DAI multiplayer

Naturally many elements of the games are addressed by both franchises.

But they are different games with a different heritage.

 

TW3 does look terrific and the reviews appear enthusiastic.

 

Who knows, maybe we'll have a fantasy RPG as GOTY two years running, wouldn't that be a thing...

[TheOgre]

hmm, how can you have made 3,000 posts and not know what BioWare does that Witcher doesn't 

• Much wider choice of protagonist, including gender/race/orientation
• Saving the world plotlines
• The wonderful DAI multiplayer

Naturally many elements of the games are addressed by both franchises.

But they are different games with a different heritage.

 

TW3 does look terrific and the reviews appear enthusiastic.

 

Who knows, maybe we'll have a fantasy RPG as GOTY two years running, wouldn't that be a thing...

 

I agreed with that first part, but I will say it hardly felt like we were playing a different race. Everything centered around the human, save for female elf. 

 

Second part, Does Witcher have a save the world plotline? I know DAO and DAI had save the world plots, also ME, BG 1 and 2.. Yeah they all have save the world stuff. I wonder why people criticize DAO however for it's generic plotline when DAI suffered from that? I'll say this however, it did feel more inventive, the DAI's main story, than the "we have to destroy the big bad villain before it consumes the rest of us". But I never could attach myself to my character as I felt too -- godlike as him. 

 

DAI is the first franchise in the DA series with multiplayer you are correct there, but I played it for 3 weeks and dropped it upon finding other people soloing the hardest difficulty with an overpowered class. I care a lot about balance and team work but it felt like one person carried my group and the others were just leechers (my character including). I'd rather they never try to make a DA multiplayer again, at least in that fashion. I'd like a story mode cooperation if anything. That won't happen because EA likes micro transactions. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

hmm, how can you have made 3,000 posts and not know what BioWare does that Witcher doesn't 

• Much wider choice of protagonist, including gender/race/orientation
• Saving the world plotlines
• The wonderful DAI multiplayer

 

Also, Dragon Age has party-based combat and The Witcher does not.

[TheOgre]

Also, Dragon Age has party-based combat and The Witcher does not.

 

I'd say that's more true of DA2.. DAI, same situation where two people carry the entire group due to bad AI and overpowered classifications.

[Seraphim24]

hmm, how can you have made 3,000 posts and not know what BioWare does that Witcher doesn't 

 

They're like all the music threads honestly, I listen to a ton of music and feel possessed that other people should hear what I am hearing. Plus generally speaking all I see when the Witcher comes up is angst without anyone really discussing the games so much.

 

hmm, how can you have made 3,000 posts and not know what BioWare does that Witcher doesn't 

• Much wider choice of protagonist, including gender/race/orientation

 

Uh... with the exception of DA2 (and maybe counting it) the protagonist is just a stand in for the player. Regardless of gender/race/orientation you are basically getting the same exact experience plus or minus some lines here and there. I'd say companions too but really with all the bisexual characters in DA it's kind of a meaningless "choice" in the aggregate. 

 

Unless you are arguing for example DA2 protagonist was interesting and fun to which I would say Geralt was better.

 

 

• Party combat (thanks AR...)

 

The combat in DA is an unholy abomination which needs to be purified with heavenly fires. It's just the trinity system from WoW straight up mixed with the gambit system from FFX12. DA:O was like sort of ok ish maybe kinda. W1 was simple but effective, W2 was a sloppy action game that was sort of serviceable though. None of them are really great but above DA? Sure. DA2 was one of the worst designed games from a game play standpoint since the dawn of human history.

 

 

• Saving the world plotlines

 

I'm pretty sure that's a negative not a plus.

 

 

• The wonderful DAI multiplayer

 

No. Sorry, I can't muster an explanation for that one.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'd say that's more true of DA2.. DAI, same situation where two people carry the entire group due to bad AI and overpowered classifications.

 

That hasn't been my experience of combat in any instalment of the Dragon Age series. I always use the whole party.

[SofaJockey]

This thread is as meaningful as arguing what type of music someone prefers.

 

Both games have more pros than cons.

I have enjoyably played a ton of one, I intend to do the same to the other.

[SnakeCode]

This thread is as meaningful as arguing what type of music someone prefers.

 

Both games have more pros than cons.

I have enjoyably played a ton of one, I intend to do the same to the other.

 

If this thread proves anything, it's that people are always willing to argue over subjective tastes. 

[DiamondBarJohn]

I though it was pretty strange for someone to say that the game/company was pandering to LGBT people.  That seems to be a thinly veiled way of saying "I don't like these type of people, so don't put them in games or make the games accessible to them".  As if we should have our own separate games consisting of going to the theater and redecorating houses instead. 

[AresKeith]

If this thread proves anything, it's that people are always willing to argue over subjective tastes.

What else is new on BSN? Lol

[Namea]

I agree, in part. The lore for various races is not well established. Elves and dwarves are more or less ripped off from the usual places. I find it hilarious that David Gaider proudly said "I'm not having any Scottish dwarves in my world" and then pretty much just stole their appearance, culture, combat styles, and love of stone from Tolkien and others.

 

I hate to say it but upon re-reading an old favourite series of mine I feel as though a lot of the dragon age world and story is ripped directly from the Wheel of Time series.

 

Not in the usual "Oh hey, they're both epic high fantasy settings and have the same tropes!" but in the "Oh hey there are cities with the same names with one letter different, there are characters with the same names and personalities, there are big plot points that are the same...

 

Oh and there's this:

 

Wardens (DA) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow and can sense darkspawn and the taint of the blight.

Warders (WoT) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow (And bonded to Aes Sedai so there's one difference) who can sense darkspawn (more often called darkfriends or darkfiends but still called darkspawn sometimes) and the taint of the blight. 

 

Amoung a few other things.

[TheOgre]

I hate to say it but upon re-reading an old favourite series of mine I feel as though a lot of the dragon age world and story is ripped directly from the Wheel of Time series.

 

Not in the usual "Oh hey, they're both epic high fantasy settings and have the same tropes!" but in the "Oh hey there are cities with the same names with one letter different, there are characters with the same names and personalities, there are big plot points that are the same...

 

Oh and there's this:

 

Wardens (DA) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow and can sense darkspawn and the taint of the blight.

Warders (WoT) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow (And bonded to Aes Sedai so there's one difference) who can sense darkspawn (more often called darkfriends or darkfiends but still called darkspawn sometimes) and the taint of the blight. 

 

Amoung a few other things.

 

Hah.. oh my.. I have to read this series.. Anything stolen for DA2? DAI?

[QuarianOtter]

I though it was pretty strange for someone to say that the game/company was pandering to LGBT people.  That seems to be a thinly veiled way of saying "I don't like these type of people, so don't put them in games or make the games accessible to them".  As if we should have our own separate games consisting of going to the theater and redecorating houses instead. 

 

I think they say these things because the dragon age fanbase has a lot of the SJWish crowd. Tumblr is full of people who say things like "No mage is ever in a position to consent to sex with a templar, therefore Wynne was raped." "Morrigan is a cultural appropriating shemlen scum who should leave all research of elven culture to elven historians." "Sera was whitewashed because her concept art was slightly darker than what they went with in the end."

 

Many people are alarmed by the presence of these people in the fanbase of something they love (I know I am), but instead of ignoring or debating them they attack Bioware for attracting them in the first place. Which is ridiculous because all Bioware did was just have the decency to give women, gays, and non-white people the same options as anybody else.

 

I will be always grateful for Bioware for giving me the opportunity to roleplay as a gay man who can save the day just as well as anybody else, and I will not allow 16-year-old "Dalish-kin Fade-Spirit-genders" to ruin that appreciation for me.

[Torgette]

I think they say these things because the dragon age fanbase has a lot of the SJWish crowd. Tumblr is full of people who say things like "No mage is ever in a position to consent to sex with a templar, therefore Wynne was raped." "Morrigan is a cultural appropriating shemlen scum who should leave all research of elven culture to elven historians." "Sera was whitewashed because her concept art was slightly darker than what they went with in the end."

 

Many people are alarmed by the presence of these people in the fanbase of something they love (I know I am), but instead of ignoring or debating them they attack Bioware for attracting them in the first place. Which is ridiculous because all Bioware did was just have the decency to give women, gays, and non-white people the same options as anybody else.

 

I will be always grateful for Bioware for giving me the opportunity to roleplay as a gay man who can save the day just as well as anybody else, and I will not allow 16-year-old "Dalish-kin Fade-Spirit-genders" to ruin that appreciation for me.

 

I find all of this stuff funny because I live in the bible belt and people here are more tolerant of differences than random joe schmoes on internet forums for video games. 

[TheOgre]

I find all of this stuff funny because I live in the bible belt and people here are more tolerant of differences than random joe schmoes on internet forums for video games. 

 

More tolerant perhaps.. When not hiding behind the computer

[DiamondBarJohn]

I find all of this stuff funny because I live in the bible belt and people here are more tolerant of differences than random joe schmoes on internet forums for video games. 

 

The correct word would be "accepting", not "tolerant".  You "tolerate" a mosquito, you "accept" a human being for who they are.