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[Morty Smith]

EA should just outsource stuff like animation and cinematics to an Indian studio while the western studios focus on the important stuff.

 

Someone has to place those shards, I guess.

 

[Torgette]

Why not just go to Poland and setup a studio

 

Sure, just setup a studio across the street from CDPR and start leeching employees away.

[Dreadstruck]

Just had news that The Witcher 3 had sold 4 million copies in the first two weeks since launch!
 
Why do I mention it here? Because even now the devs at CD Projekt RED maintains an attitude of humbleness, expressing their intention to use this success to make the game even better! 
 
A 250-strong Indie company, a budget of only 40 million (including advertising) and a passion behind their work is making absolute fools of Bioware! 
 
What now, Mike Laidlaw? What was it you said? DAI is going to be the most dynamic RPG game we've ever played? LOL, you must have meant The Witcher: Wild Hunt in which decisions ACTUALLY matter?
 
You want to learn how to treat your fans and how to make good games, go sit at the feet of CD Projekt RED!
 
http://forums.cdproj...234#post1766234

Nice! My wishes go to CDPR.

Quite a way from The Witcher 1. Raw hard work and dedication.
 

[Torgette]

Someone has to place those shards, I guess.

 

Yeah, the intern. 

[Elhanan]

It's not THAT high compared to some of the mainstream titles like Assassin's Creed, Skyrim or even Far Cry but it's still significant and out-performs games such as Arkham Asylum/City (Asylum is 4.3 million in its entire release, City is 1.5 million in its first week), Dark Souls 2 (2.5 million), and completely destroys, both sales and review wise, the other end-of-a-trilogy, Mass Effect 3 (1.5 million in the first month).

Also, in comparison: Dragon Age Inquisition supposedly sold 1.14 million in the first week. Mass Effect 3 1.85 in the first week as well. I wasn't able to quickly find any reliable 2 week data.

For an RPG with a comparably low development/marketing cost, and aimed at a less mainstream market, Witcher 3's 4 million sales within two weeks is great success.

For me, The Witcher 3 is a game that really makes me want to shed a tear. A combination of wonderful reviews, fantastic in game details, and excellent sales figures. This is an example of how every ****** game developer should strive for in their career.

Sounds a lot like another game I know. Of course, some fans do not believe the emboldened part of this; but they are not exactly unbiased....

[Dubya75]

Damm 4 million already?
I'm so happy for them

TW3 isn't perfect (Save import sucks, Act 3 is a bit rushed etc.) but damm if it isn't one of the best games I have played in recent years

As a big fan of Bioware (pre DA I that is) they really need to step up their game DA I just looks cheap compared to TW3

Both franchises went open world but one failed clearly (for me) and one succeeded without any real competition I mean regarding the open world DA I isn't anywhere near TW3

 

Yeah I don't think there's a single element of DAI that surpasses what TW3 offers. And I paid almost £20 MORE for DAI than I did for TW3. And I am getting 16 pieces of DLC absolutely FREE with TW3.

 

Bioware didn't even need to build their own engine for DAI. The game contains about a 5th of TW3's content, if that. But it took CDPR only 3 years to build the game compared to the 4 years it took Bioware, backed by EA and the DICE team!

 

And then post-launch support....what does Bioware do? They go on vacation, leaving thousands of people with a nigh unplayable game, some with a completely broken game. Then they come back and without any kind of apology go to work to create a string of patches that breaks far more than it fixes. 

And they ignore all the feedback they are getting from fans about the things we don't like...

 

What an absolute disgrace!

 

This is in stark contrast to the phenomenal support we are getting from CDPR. In 2 weeks, they fixed a multitude of issues, including the little things like providing an option for colour-blind people and removing name tags from NPCs as selectable menu options, which was only asked for by a handful of people, including me.

And they keep coming back to their fans, thanking us for buying the game and for supporting them.

 

What thanks have we received from Bioware? These clowns can't even manage their own patching and instead pulls in community help to beta test their half-hearted efforts for them. And at the end of that, we receive hardly any acknowledgement.

 

Oh, but we are the scum of the earth and that is why Bioware staff don't dare interact with us because we are so scary and so angry....

 

What a pathetic company Bioware turned out to be...it's almost sad if it wasn't so ridiculous. 

[zestalyn]

They don't really seem that different to me to be honest, at the end of the day DA:I and TW3 are really not that different from each other to be completely honest.

 

The Witcher is just a lot more grimdarky with more of a central Europe kind of knowing ethos whereas DA (at worst) drifts towards a kind of flimsy SJ pander land a bit (outside of Origins and parts of Inquisition), but neither is clearly in any extreme (either super pandering or super hardcore Eastern European Slavic myth) or massively extremely different from the other. They both come from the same CRPG tradition.

 

Heck TW1 was made with the NWN engine, these companies are practically connected at the hip.

 

 

i dont know why you replied to my post with this message. i was talking about the infrastructure of their main quests.

[TheOgre]

Just had news that The Witcher 3 had sold 4 million copies in the first two weeks since launch!

Why do I mention it here? Because even now the devs at CD Projekt RED maintains an attitude of humbleness, expressing their intention to use this success to make the game even better!

A 250-strong Indie company, a budget of only 40 million (including advertising) and a passion behind their work is making absolute fools of Bioware!

What now, Mike Laidlaw? What was it you said? DAI is going to be the most dynamic RPG game we've ever played? LOL, you must have meant The Witcher: Wild Hunt in which decisions ACTUALLY matter?

You want to learn how to treat your fans and how to make good games, go sit at the feet of CD Projekt RED!

http://forums.cdproj...234#post1766234

To be fair..
DAI is much friendlier to females and gay men. It offers a lot more for people looking for relations in that regard and interaction. While I do like tw3 that is something they have ((and cc options)).

[Morty Smith]

Oh, but we are the scum of the earth and that is why Bioware staff don't dare interact with us because we are so scary and so angry....

 

 

CDPR has a fanbase of nutjobs and saints and BW has a toxic community of nutjobs and saints.

 

The only difference is how they were labeled.

[Elhanan]

Yeah I don't think there's a single element of DAI that surpasses what TW3 offers. And I paid almost £20 MORE for DAI than I did for TW3. And I am getting 16 pieces of DLC absolutely FREE with TW3.
 
Bioware didn't even need to build their own engine for DAI. The game contains about a 5th of TW3's content, if that. But it took CDPR only 3 years to build the game compared to the 4 years it took Bioware, backed by EA and the DICE team!
 
And then post-launch support....what does Bioware do? They go on vacation, leaving thousands of people with a nigh unplayable game, some with a completely broken game. Then they come back and without any kind of apology go to work to create a string of patches that breaks far more than it fixes. 
And they ignore all the feedback they are getting from fans about the things we don't like...
 
What an absolute disgrace!
 
This is in stark contrast to the phenomenal support we are getting from CDPR. In 2 weeks, they fixed a multitude of issues, including the little things like providing an option for colour-blind people and removing name tags from NPCs as selectable menu options, which was only asked for by a handful of people, including me.
And they keep coming back to their fans, thanking us for buying the game and for supporting them.
 
What thanks have we received from Bioware? These clowns can't even manage their own patching and instead pulls in community help to beta test their half-hearted efforts for them. And at the end of that, we receive hardly any acknowledgement.
 
Oh, but we are the scum of the earth and that is why Bioware staff don't dare interact with us because we are so scary and so angry....
 
What a pathetic company Bioware turned out to be...it's almost sad if it wasn't so ridiculous.

Bioware also provides free DLC, 'expansions', patches, Beta testing for patches (a positive; not negative), and forums for those of noble character to bond over good times. Have fun storming the castle!

[MoonDrummer]

A desert environment is something witcher 3 did have but its not really anything worth mentioning considering how little time is spent there but its not completely absent.

 

I'm actually kinda surprised they bothered to create the assets for it with that little use.

CDPR don't cut corners. 

[SofaJockey]

* whining *

 

Oh please just stop with this whining hyperbole, it adds nothing.

I'd invite you to go back to the 'PC concerns' thread if that had not thankfully died.

 

The Witcher 3 has done many good things, that BioWare could usefully take note of,

but not everything CDPR does is golden sunshine, nor is DAI the spawn of beelzebub.

 

I understand that you didn't like DAI as much as most people,

but please don't just make up facts for your own gratification.

[shit's fucked cunts]

Bioware also provides free DLC, 'expansions', patches, Beta testing for patches (a positive; not negative), and forums for those of noble character to bond over good times. Have fun storming the castle!

 

Free multiplayer DLC (I paid 25 bucks for Bores of Hakkon); patches are a staple, not a feature; forums have existed since before BioWare, and I know this because I am more than three years old.

[zestalyn]

You serious? DA:I literally forces you to do X number of irrelevant fetch quests and meaningless chores to acquire power points to progress the main story. I think the power requirement was one of the absolute worst things about DA:I. I also don't remember having to do any fetch quests in TW3 I mean unless you consider stuff like "deal with this demon trapped in a tree by either killing it or letting it possess a horse and suffer the consequences" to be fetchier and worse than "find mama's lost ring" "find widows lost ring" "find farmer's lost druffalo" "plant 20 flags" "close 40 rifts" etc...

 

Personally I though TW3's main quest and side quests were both done much better than DA:I's. I even thought the characters in TW3 were more believable, fleshed out, and sympathetic than in DA:I and characters have always been BioWare's specialty.

Sorry mate, I'm just saying what I feel, and I'm also not strictly comparing it DA:I, but Bioware games in general.  I've only done one DA:I playthrough and I guess the acquiring the power points felt less terrible because I was simply exploring, while in the mindset of "I'm Inquisitor, I must do these things to help people and give my organization a good name". I'm sure if I played again i'll be crying as many tears as you are.

Aside from that, I guess what I liked is when I was ready for a major mission in a BW game, I knew everything I was going to do revolves around some major event, and not so much helping a chain of people. In TW3, I'm at the part of letting the thing possess the horse. I stopped playing because I got annoyed at having to do a thing for Johnny, another thing for the Crones, and now I have to gather things for the demon (but thanks to your insinuation I guess I'll just kill it) and thats all after doing a million things helping other people, like getting the goat and whatever, just to help the idiot baron, and for some reason I just don't care/am not emotionally invested.

 

Clearly I'd make a terrible Witcher in real life. I'd just give everyone the finger and retire somewhere tropical.
 

[Elhanan]

Free multiplayer DLC (I paid 25 bucks for Bores of Hakkon); patches are a staple, not a feature; forums have existed since before BioWare, and I know this because I am more than three years old.

The Black Emporium is still free, JoH is an 'expansion', patches are a staple yet ones that are not to be assumed to be included from any company, and some companies do or did not have forums; folks came to the current Bioware boards instead (how I know of this). Happy B-Day!

[shit's fucked cunts]

The Black Emporium is still free, JoH is an 'expansion', patches are a staple yet ones that are not to be assumed to be included from any company, and some companies do or did not have forums; folks came to the current Bioware boards instead (how I know of this). Happy B-Day!

 

In my opinion, BE is a patch, not a DLC, JoH is DLC, not an "expansion", and nothing as of yet actually qualifies as an "expansion". Might explain our differences in opinion.

[rashie]

JoH by all accounts is not an expansion pack, what used to be an expansion pack are more akin to awakening, throne of bhaal and tales of the sword coast.

 

Bioware have done actual expansion packs in the past and JoH is not near the scope of them.

[Torgette]

Sorry mate, I'm just saying what I feel, and I'm also not strictly comparing it DA:I, but Bioware games in general.  I've only done one DA:I playthrough and I guess the acquiring the power points felt less terrible because I was simply exploring, while in the mindset of "I'm Inquisitor, I must do these things to help people and give my organization a good name". I'm sure if I played again i'll be crying as many tears as you are.

Aside from that, I guess what I liked is when I was ready for a major mission in a BW game, I knew everything I was going to do revolves around some major event, and not so much helping a chain of people. In TW3, I'm at the part of letting the thing possess the horse. I stopped playing because I got annoyed at having to do a thing for Johnny, another thing for the Crones, and now I have to gather things for the demon (but thanks to your insinuation I guess I'll just kill it) and thats all after doing a million things helping other people, like getting the goat and whatever, just to help the idiot baron, and for some reason I just don't care/am not emotionally invested.

 

Clearly I'd make a terrible Witcher in real life. I'd just give everyone the finger and retire somewhere tropical.
 

 

Yeah it bugs me too, TW2's main quest was amazing and the pacing was great, CDPR went into TW3 with the intent to interweave the open world style into the main quest and I give them an A for effort but execution aside the journey itself hasn't been as rewarding, imo. Obviously this is my subjective opinion of course, much like how I think the game's open world exploration can slow to a crawl at times - it's not poorly made (other than Geralt's movement), it just doesn't fit right with me.

 

I suppose I wouldn't mind a future Witcher and Dragon Age game that wasn't open world.

[Elhanan]

JoH by all accounts is not an expansion pack, what used to be an expansion pack are more akin to awakening, throne of bhaal and tales of the sword coast.

Was under the impression that 'Expansion' was the new term for paid DLC; Y'know, to be more like some other games. My bad....

[Torgette]

The only expansion i've been blown away by in recent memory was Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, which was basically better than Far Cry 3 (though technically also made into a standalone game). I don't know how you categorize this stuff, I consider Citadel for ME3 a DLC even though it's exceedingly well made and a better ending than the game itself - but since it's only 3 hours long not really an expansion?

[Das Tentakel]

A desert environment is something witcher 3 did have but its not really anything worth mentioning considering how little time is spent there but its not completely absent.

 

I'm actually kinda surprised they bothered to create the assets for it with that little use.

 

I think I saw a picture of that environment, but I'm not yet that far into the game (100+ hours and 29% and adventuring and exploring in Skellige. By Mithras CDPR, why do you  make such massive games?).

[FKA_Servo]

The only expansion i've been blown away by in recent memory was Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon, which was basically better than Far Cry 3 (though technically also made into a standalone game). I don't know how you categorize this stuff, I consider Citadel for ME3 a DLC even though it's exceedingly well made and a better ending than the game itself - but since it's only 3 hours long not really an expansion?

 

This game looks hilarious, and I really want to play it, but I've so far been deterred by uPlay or whatever the hell Ubisoft's dumb DRM is. Is it as broken as people say?

[Seraphim24]

i dont know why you replied to my post with this message. i was talking about the infrastructure of their main quests.

 

Yeah I don't really think the infrastructure in particular is all that different either, I just went on to say there aren't a lot of differences really ultimately period IMO. TW3 has plenty of major moments, it's just not the same kind of major moment as DA:I (big fight, epic clash), it's in keeping the game itself not always being super epic (Creepy Crones show up and say hi, etc). The major moments are small in character but that doesn't make them minor moments or something.

[Torgette]

This game looks hilarious, and I really want to play it, but I've so far been deterred by uPlay or whatever the hell Ubisoft's dumb DRM is. Is it as broken as people say?

 

Yes, yes it is. Still worth dealing with to play Blood Dragon though!