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[midnight tea]

Mounts. Another possible take away Bioware could get from the Witcher is the amount of mounts. In Witcher 3 you have 1 and it is fine. i understand in DaI you need more than 1 because of the different races the protag could be. But you didn;t need 30 for goodness sake! I hope in the future it Bioware does mounts again they seriously reduce the number of them and focus their efforts elsewhere.

 

Considering that these mounts were simply re-skins, I don't think we can say that a lot of effort was "wasted" that could have been used somewhere else - probably gave the task to some interns or people in art department who didn't have much to do at that time anyway.

[In Exile]

I was sad no one joked about Geralt riding "Roach" when Vernon Roche was around. But I suppose that joke only works in English. 

[Aren]

 

 

But about mini games inside of the main game, I think DA might benefit from something like that, definitely. 

 

Maybe,but as it is the situations for now, i would gladly prefer if this finesse will not be their priority,Maker know....if they will end up to substitute meaningful side quest for the next game just to fill the world with mini games in order to get power point to proceed for the main quest.......then they will tell to us that the fans are to blame for their feedback

[PrimerTrouble87]

I like the free dlc's and all but CD Projekt Red made Shani irrelevant on story.

[TheOgre]

I request if any spoilers are going to be used, actually use a spoiler tag. [ spoiler] and end with [ / spoiler] and bring them together.

[KBomb]

I was sad no one joked about Geralt riding "Roach" when Vernon Roche was around. But I suppose that joke only works in English. 

Well, if it helps, I made that joke often followed by a wiggling of an eyebrow and a salacious wink. No one laughed. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm not talking about a long ending sequence ,that may or not may be felt as contrived based on our perspective,i simply pointed out that Corypheus literally go willingly to his suicide, either he will be killed by the Inquisition or either he will succeed and be swallowed by the breach, it's a non win situation,he is not defeated,it's like if he willingly went to his suicide just to close with DAI.

If you wish to use the "desperation" or "self arrogance" argument so be it,however that is an imho weak reason to explain the ending that we have got.

Spoiler

If he can't take the anchor from you - and by the end of the game he knows he can't - he's got no plan.  His entire plan was the anchor.

 

So by the end, all he's trying to do is kill you because he's bitter that he lost.  It's anti-climactic because it's not the climax of the story.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I'd be curious to see what the real numbers are for TW3's budget, broken down by employee pay, hours & benefits. Seems odd that TW3 has a budget of $15 million yet literally nobody else in the world can produce the same amount of content without outsourcing or increasing the budget ten fold. Of course you know what would be funny is if the lesson other publishers take from TW3 is to start outsourcing all video game development to countries where they can pay employees peanuts and still work them to death, think of the profits! 

well, we slavs are already slaves of western companies, especially in the IT, doing impossible for scraps while PM drinks his morning coffee, so... nothing new here, move along.

[Aren]

If he can't take the anchor from you - and by the end of the game he knows he can't - he's got no plan.  His entire plan was the anchor.

 

So by the end, all he's trying to do is kill you because he's bitter that he lost.  It's anti-climactic because it's not the climax of the story.[/spoiler]

It's anticlimactic because apparently the climax of the story was the beginning,basically the first who would have touched the ball would have won.

Our Inquisitor apparently was so lucky that not only s/he has reached the ball before Corypheus,but s/he has found the "dinner/ritual"  already prepared and complete.

Now i have only to figure out way COrypheus has chose to use the core of his plan  on the Divine instead of some random beggar in some random cave of Thedas.

Apparently "self arrogance" is the only interpretation that the writers have come up to justify this.

 

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's anticlimactic because apparently the climax of the story was the beginning,basically the first who would have touched the ball would have won.

Spoiler

We don't know that. We don't know exactly what his plan was at the Temple of Mythal or Adamant. Those might have been the scenes of his ultimate defeat.

This is largely how history works. We make up the narrative after the fact to explain events that didn't form an identifiable pattern at the time.

[Das Tentakel]

Anyway my only point was that TW has grimdark sort of aspects, Keira Metz being (spoiler) decapitated, the intro with the hunt, various aspects where kind of darkly violent things happen to people. The Hostel reference was literally intended as a joke, of course you don't take an American Movie as historical fact. Slavic/Polish history has some unique characters, and some that are pretty super grim.

So does like, I don't know, other countries histories, and neither is that all of Slavic history,
Anyway even Vlad the Impaler sounds like he was perhaps a competent ruler in many ways, as I was reading on the wikipedia yesterday. I'm also sure he wasn't the norm one way or another. And I think I've said multiple times I like the TW3 so...

Besides someone like Foltest (a highly aggressive kind of ruler) seems like a cool thing you don't really get in America or other places. Radovid is maybe the other side of that coin where aggression goes too far.

Kefka, I hate to tell it to you (it really should be Midnight tea I guess),. but Vlad wasn’t ‘Slavic’, although you could describe him as Eastern European. He was ethnically and culturally Rumanian (don’t accidentally tell a Rumanian he’s a Slav, by the way), though he had also close personal ties to Hungary (of which Transsylvania was part until 1918).
Oh, and Hungary isn’t Slavic either (though some northerly parts of the pre-1918 Kingdom were).

And in general: what a modern American may think ‘grimdarky’ was always part of every European country’s history (every pre-Enlightenment country in fact). Look up Gilles de Rais, St. Bartholomew’s massacre, the great witch hunt, the Thirty Years’ War or poor Lady Glamis (Janet Douglas). Heck, the little town where I live, if you delve into its history you quickly run into murder, intrigue and massacre (as well as a mostly humdrum history involving crafts, trade and even some nice art). A tiny place that had what? A couple of thousand people between the 1200’s and 1500’s at best?

There’s quite a few Europeans here, and while most will probably shrug their shoulders it would be awfully golly nice if people checked some facts before writing certain things about European history and mythology, eastern, central, southern, western or whatever. The Witcher III may be a Polish product, but there’s a lot in there (including the books) that is cribbed from all over Europe. A Foltest would fit perfectly in my own country’s history (in fact, we have a whole bunch of Foltests if you look) and there’s place for madness and paranoia as well. There’s nothing distinctively Polish or ‘Slavic’ about any of the characters in the Witcher games, really, apart from some of the names. The farmhouses in Velen, some of the monsters and entities – that seems to be Polish / Slavic (although some of them have strong similarities with beings from western European folklore as well).

P.S. don’t take it personally, I mean this generally. Keep on posting !

[caradoc2000]

It's anticlimactic because apparently the climax of the story was the beginning,basically the first who would have touched the ball would have won.

Corypheus really dropped the ball there, didn't he.

[Seraphim24]

Kefka, I hate to tell it to you (it really should be Midnight tea I guess),. but Vlad wasn’t ‘Slavic’, although you could describe him as Eastern European. He was ethnically and culturally Rumanian (don’t accidentally tell a Rumanian he’s a Slav, by the way), though he had also close personal ties to Hungary (of which Transsylvania was part until 1918).
Oh, and Hungary isn’t Slavic either (though some northerly parts of the pre-1918 Kingdom were).

And in general: what a modern American may think ‘grimdarky’ was always part of every European country’s history (every pre-Enlightenment country in fact). Look up Gilles de Rais, St. Bartholomew’s massacre, the great witch hunt, the Thirty Years’ War or poor Lady Glamis (Janet Douglas). Heck, the little town where I live, if you delve into its history you quickly run into murder, intrigue and massacre (as well as a mostly humdrum history involving crafts, trade and even some nice art). A tiny place that had what? A couple of thousand people between the 1200’s and 1500’s at best?

There’s quite a few Europeans here, and while most will probably shrug their shoulders it would be awfully golly nice if people checked some facts before writing certain things about European history and mythology, eastern, central, southern, western or whatever. The Witcher III may be a Polish product, but there’s a lot in there (including the books) that is cribbed from all over Europe. A Foltest would fit perfectly in my own country’s history (in fact, we have a whole bunch of Foltests if you look) and there’s place for madness and paranoia as well. There’s nothing distinctively Polish or ‘Slavic’ about any of the characters in the Witcher games, really, apart from some of the names. The farmhouses in Velen, some of the monsters and entities – that seems to be Polish / Slavic (although some of them have strong similarities with beings from western European folklore as well).

P.S. don’t take it personally, I mean this generally. Keep on posting !

 

Foltest could never be President of the US, let me just put it that way.

 

Anyway I never said TW was purely Polish or Slavic or even that Vlad the Impaler was, of course there are unique differences in every particular country. I assumed that this being the 16th century there weren't clear divisions left and right. Nonetheless, I'd be surprised if TW wasn't at least partially inspired by some things unique to Poland or that area of the world, but also by a number of things (Tolkien fantasy, etc) and it ultimately is a very unique combination of a number of different things.

 

Yes violence is also ubiquitous, the Americans for example are known for wiping out most of the Native American population, slavery, and dozens of other traumas. I still think there is something unique about the kind of violence in some of these stories though in continental Europe, but I don't really want to get into that again right now because it seemed to be too sensitive a topic.

 

My point was really to poke fun at the American way of doing things, which is that until it's in a documentary or movie it's not considered to be important.

[SnakeCode]

Mounts. Another possible take away Bioware could get from the Witcher is the amount of mounts. In Witcher 3 you have 1 and it is fine. i understand in DaI you need more than 1 because of the different races the protag could be. But you didn;t need 30 for goodness sake! I hope in the future it Bioware does mounts again they seriously reduce the number of them and focus their efforts elsewhere.

 

I doubt it was that much effort for Bioware tbh. Most of them were re-skins of the same animal. Where Bioware could take influence from TW3 (and in turn RDR) regarding mounts is the mechanics. Making riding a mount a pleasant enough experience to make it a viable alternative to walking. Bioware would also have to make the areas large enough to justify using your mount. The only maps large enough for that in Inquisition were the Hissing Wastes and maybe the Hinterlands. 

 

Even then people still probably wouldn't use them if you have to choose between your mount and your companions, so Bioware would possibly have to find a way to have your party to ride alongside you if it's something they want to keep for DA4. Personally It wouldn't be a problem for me, I think far too much money goes into the party banter as it is, so I'm just fine with there being a great deal less of it. 

[Milan92]

Just to be clear the 16 DLCs are NOT on disc content. I remember watching an interview with Damien Monnier shortly after the game went gold. He was asked if they (CDPR) were going to take a well deserved break, and he said something like "nope, we promised people 16 free DLCs, so we better start working on them." 

 

Not to burst your bubble, but the Wolf School DLC is already in the files, its just that right now you get blanks if you aquire them with the debug console.

 

Are you sure they weren't talking about the expansions? Because those ofcourse are still to be made.

[Das Tentakel]

Yes violence is also ubiquitous, the Americans for example are known for wiping out most of the Native American population, slavery, and dozens of other traumas. I still think there is something unique about the kind of violence in some of these stories though in continental Europe, but I don't really want to get into that again right now because it seemed to be too sensitive a topic.

You can safely replace 'unique' with 'not 21st century western'. A colleague of mine just came back from a Congress in San Antonio, Texas. He barely had time to glance the Alamo from the outside from a bus. Now, the Alamo was a key event (perhaps a bit overblown in terms of actual importance) in North American, specifically Texan history, and it ended with the death of some 200-ish defenders and the handful of captured survivors were executed. I discussed this briefly with my colleague and concluded that, numberwise, it wasn't all that impressive. We Dutch have a whole bunch of massacres from our own struggle for independence against the Spanish; in Haarlem, for instance, some 2,000 defenders were executed after the city ran out of supplies and had to surrender (1573). The whole place at the time probably had well below 10,000 inhabitants, you do the math.

It's not really a thing to boast of: in Europe we just have far more history, twice the population (and many times that during most of history) and far more bloodshed. Modern people, particularly Americans who get very little to nothing of this during history lessons (it's not your history, after all), have no idea really.

And by the way, Great Britain's history isn't any less bloody than continental Europe's, though the mainland has more of it in absolute terms of course.

[SnakeCode]

Not to burst your bubble, but the Wolf School DLC is already in the files, its just that right now you get blanks if you aquire them with the debug console.

 

So CDPR lied?

[Milan92]

So CDPR lied?

 

Its possible. I find it hard to believe that all these small content pieces weren't already available in the files.

[Dreadstruck]

Not to burst your bubble, but the Wolf School DLC is already in the files, its just that right now you get blanks if you aquire them with the debug console.

 

Are you sure they weren't talking about the expansions? Because those ofcourse are still to be made.

 

Pretty sure they are just empty placeholders and are not really present on the disk at all (at least I couldn't find anything when I digged in the TW3 files). There are also placeholders for alternative outfits for Ciri and Triss and apparently, a New Game+

[Milan92]

Pretty sure they are just placeholders and are not really present on the disk at all (at least I couldn't find anything when I digged in the TW3 files). There are also placeholders for alternative outfits for Ciri and Triss and apparently, a New Game+

 

Hmmm.

[Seraphim24]

You can safely replace 'unique' with 'not 21st century western'. A colleague of mine just came back from a Congress in San Antonio, Texas. He barely had time to glance the Alamo from the outside from a bus. Now, the Alamo was a key event (perhaps a bit overblown in terms of actual importance) in North American, specifically Texan history, and it ended with the death of some 200-ish defenders and the handful of captured survivors were executed. I discussed this briefly with my colleague and concluded that, numberwise, it wasn't all that impressive. We Dutch have a whole bunch of massacres from our own struggle for independence against the Spanish; in Haarlem, for instance, some 2,000 defenders were executed after the city ran out of supplies and had to surrender (1573). The whole place at the time probably had well below 10,000 inhabitants, you do the math.

It's not really a thing to boast of: in Europe we just have far more history, twice the population (and many times that during most of history) and far more bloodshed. Modern people, particularly Americans who get very little to nothing of this during history lessons (it's not your history, after all), have no idea really.

And by the way, Great Britain's history isn't any less bloody than continental Europe's, though the mainland has more of it in absolute terms of course.

 

Well I was thinking the difference is the tendency for violence as part of state sponsored or part of national policies, for example you mentioned the St. Bartholomew massacre in France which I remember seeing a movie about (I took European history twice), or Spain during the Inquisition, and (without trying to Godwin a second thread) certain portions of German history. The U.S. has perpetuated a great deal of violence but it tends be as an incidental thing alongside a generic trend like Manifest Destiny rather than express policies.

 

In the context of this thread this starts to seem off because TW is more of Geralt's personal story whereas DA is literally an Inquisition, and yet in practice DA:I is mostly portraying specific character stories (where you end up fighting a bunch of people) whereas TW often gets rolled up into a greater conflict (Scoia'Tel, Temerians, rebels, emperors, Nilfgard, etc). DA is also not actually American though of course it comes from Canada.

[MeanderingMind]

Its possible. I find it hard to believe that all these small content pieces weren't already available in the files.

For anyone who owns Witcher 3 on GOG, you get additional downloads for every single DLC you get. It's not automatic, you have to manually chose which ones to get, and for every one, something downloads. Do you suggest that those downloads are fake too?

 

Edit: On another note: I'm 101 hours in at level 20 and has just begun in Skellige. To me, Witcher 3 even surpasses my love for the original Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1, something I really didn't think would ever happen. I've been gaming for 40 years and Witcher 3 is the best overall gaming experience I've had so far. So yes, Bioware should take note.

[Milan92]

For anyone who owns Witcher 3 on GOG, you get additional downloads for every single DLC you get. It's not automatic, you have to manually chose which ones to get, and for every one, something downloads. Do you suggest that those downloads are fake too?

 

Edit: On another note: I'm 101 hours in at level 20 and has just begun in Skellige. To me, Witcher 3 even surpasses my love for the original Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1, something I really didn't think would ever happen. I've been gaming for 40 years and Witcher 3 is the best overall gaming experience I've had so far. So yes, Bioware should take note.

 

I know, I own a GOG copy myself.

 

I don't know if CDPR lied or not. It doesn't really matter to me since I get the DLC anyway. Just wanted to point out what I know.

[correctamundo]

Indeed, Gwent is polarizing, lol. From what I've seen around the internet, you either love it or hate it. Probably why they should keep mini-games like that out of games, but man, am I pleased they included it. 

 

Yeah, I played it once in white orchard, most likely will not do that again.

[Elhanan]

Yeah, I played it once in white orchard, most likely will not do that again.

Ironically, I enjoyed Pazaak in KOTOR, but only played the game a single time due to the other mandatory mini-games one had to play elsewhere (eg; Gunner, racing bikes). If games would keep the mini-games optional, this would please me greatly.