The correct word would be "accepting", not "tolerant". You "tolerate" a mosquito, you "accept" a human being for who they are.
I think that's being a bit too pedantic. When people talk about tolerance in terms of equality, they usually really do mean "acceptance."
I think that's being a bit too pedantic. When people talk about tolerance in terms of equality, they usually really do mean "acceptance."
True, but the word started being used that way when homosexuality was still considered some kind of mental defect and really needs to be changed to something less offensive.
I think that's being a bit too pedantic. When people talk about tolerance in terms of equality, they usually really do mean "acceptance."
I though it was pretty strange for someone to say that the game/company was pandering to LGBT people. That seems to be a thinly veiled way of saying "I don't like these type of people, so don't put them in games or make the games accessible to them". As if we should have our own separate games consisting of going to the theater and redecorating houses instead.
This goes both ways though, I remember all of the threads that were made right after Bioware announced that Cassandra was going to be the straight love interest. Accusing Bioware of pandering to straight, white "dudebro" types and claiming that Bioware had made a huge mistake. Some going as far as to demand an explanation from the writers as to why they made her straight.
I've seen both "sides" accusing Bioware of pandering to the other.
Pandering has become one of those buzzwords that gets dropped so often on the BSN that it's lost any significant meaning. All people mean by it is "how dare Bioware cater to people that aren't me!"
This is true. The term is most used for situations where it may be , "I don't agree with what you are/believe/say/practice, but that won't stop me from treating you with respect and dignity." In this case, "accept" and "tolerance" are both perfectly fine.
Being gay isn't something that someone "practices". it's part of who that are. Saying that you "tolerate" it implies that you think there is something wrong with it, which is not the case and you have no right to say it.
I hate to say it but upon re-reading an old favourite series of mine I feel as though a lot of the dragon age world and story is ripped directly from the Wheel of Time series.
Not in the usual "Oh hey, they're both epic high fantasy settings and have the same tropes!" but in the "Oh hey there are cities with the same names with one letter different, there are characters with the same names and personalities, there are big plot points that are the same...
Oh and there's this:
Wardens (DA) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow and can sense darkspawn and the taint of the blight.
Warders (WoT) - Well known warriours who are pledged to fight the shadow (And bonded to Aes Sedai so there's one difference) who can sense darkspawn (more often called darkfriends or darkfiends but still called darkspawn sometimes) and the taint of the blight.
Amoung a few other things.
I always thought of Dragon Age as being pretty closely ripped from the Forgotten Realms/Dragonlance D&D setting. The Tevinter imperium is the red wizards of Thay. The Dwarves are kind of 1 to 1 there, being tradition bound, living underground, appearance wise, like everything. The Blight and all that is more closely Tolkien I suppose with the great mythos of clashing evil and good, but you can easily see them as a legion of bad orcs and trolls or something to the south, along with dragons being malicious. Plus all the classes and basic archetypes follow most of the D&D elements.
The only differences are kind of the inter-political intrigue from Game of Thrones with the rival houses and stuff (but which kind of goes in the background a bit).
Being gay isn't something that someone "practices". it's part of who that are. Saying that you "tolerate" it implies that you think there is something wrong with it, which is not the case and you have no right to say it.
Are you serious right now? I mean, really? When I used "practice", I was referring to religion--but okay, climb that soapbox and assume that it means "I hate gays!"
This is the very definition:
tolerance
[tol-er-uh ns]
noun
1.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, beliefs, practices, racial or ethnic origins, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
Tolerance is a perfectly acceptable word. You might not like it for what it means to you, but the word is fine. You're taking a word and turning it into something terrible, which isn't how the poster intended.
Are you serious right now? I mean, really? When I used "practice", I was referring to religion--but okay, climb that soapbox and assume that it means "I hate gays!"
This is the very definition:
tolerance
[tol-er-uh ns]
noun
1.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, beliefs, practices, racial or ethnic origins, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
Tolerance is a perfectly acceptable word. You might not like it for what it means to you, but the word is fine. You're taking a word and turning it into something terrible, which isn't how the poster intended.
I think the problem is that the the definition you posted is fine, i.e. "fair toward things that.....differ from one's own", than the way that some people mean it, as "putting up with....things I disapprove of". Just seems a slippery slope which could be averted by using "accept" instead of "tolerate".
Let's leave it there, I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing. I understand and have no need to quarrel about it.
I suggest to Bioware to open a section dedicated to the Witcher ,this name is common handy on this board.
I suggest to Bioware to open a section dedicated to the Witcher ,this name is common handy on this board.
Yeah sure. And one for Baldur's Gate, and Mass Effec... oh wait, there are, on this very board. And the Witcher thread is here.
Can't wait for W3 to actually come out so that we have people having played the actual game to give, y'know, feedback, which is what this section is for.
We'll be at page 37 when the game gets unlocked, anyway, so, carry on.
Being gay isn't something that someone "practices". it's part of who that are. Saying that you "tolerate" it implies that you think there is something wrong with it, which is not the case and you have no right to say it.
tolerance can be legislated, acceptance cannot
you cannot say "you MUST accept this person for who they are" but you can say "you cannot treat this person unfairly for who they are"
tolerance can be legislated, acceptance cannot
you cannot say "you MUST accept this person for who they are" but you can say "you cannot treat this person unfairly for who they are"
It seems pretty fruitless.
As opposed to the discussion that was going on before?
As opposed to the discussion that was going on before?
All I know is that we can't let the cisgoymandrists win.
The usual "my videogame can beat up your videogame" is at least not thinly veiled IRL politics talk.
however the discussion on the Witcher vs DA is much more pervasive, and is only likely to get worse once the Witcher 3 releases next week
however the discussion on the Witcher vs DA is much more pervasive, and is only likely to get worse once the Witcher 3 releases next week
Yeah sure. And one for Baldur's Gate, and Mass Effec... oh wait, there are, on this very board. And the Witcher thread is here.
Can't wait for W3 to actually come out so that we have people having played the actual game to give, y'know, feedback, which is what this section is for.
We'll be at page 37 when the game gets unlocked, anyway, so, carry on.
This cannot be said enough. I don't care about this flaming match between the fanbases. I also wouldn't care to read "my game is better than yours," with no constructive feedback. I mean, if TW3 has some good elements that would work well for BioWare, I'm all about it. I'm not so attached to my love of one company that I'm going to automatically invalidate the good things another one does. I'm looking forward to TW fans telling me about their experiences and why they feel that CDPR did an aspect of their game better. I've heard some articulate suggestions and great ideas that have come from fans of TW. One fan has almost convinced me to give the series another try, despite how dull I find Geralt.
Sadly, there is a very small very loud minority of TW fans that keep going, "But yeah well...boobies and real sex," or "They are free from SJWs." That doesn't present a compelling argument for me at all, and I'm much more inclined to react with condescension. I swear, give it a few years and SJW as an insult will be as overall meaningless as calling someone an emo kid is today.
I'm all for renaming SJW's something less impressive sounding, and I always found the "warrior" moniker hilariously inappropriate for people who (stereotypically) hide behind the internet
Sadly, there is a very small very loud minority of TW fans that keep going, "But yeah well...boobies and real sex," or "They are free from SJWs."
I imagine that comes from the Witcher series being much less 21st century in its approach to issues such as racial tension and sexism
This cannot be said enough. I don't care about this flaming match between the fanbases. I also wouldn't care to read "my game is better than yours," with no constructive feedback. I mean, if TW3 has some good elements that would work well for BioWare, I'm all about it. I'm not so attached to my love of one company that I'm going to automatically invalidate the good things another one does. I'm looking forward to TW fans telling me about their experiences and why they feel that CDPR did an aspect of their game better. I've heard some articulate suggestions and great ideas that have come from fans of TW. One fan has almost convinced me to give the series another try, despite how dull I find Geralt.
Sadly, there is a very small very loud minority of TW fans that keep going, "But yeah well...boobies and real sex," or "They are free from SJWs." That doesn't present a compelling argument for me at all, and I'm much more inclined to react with condescension. I swear, give it a few years and SJW as an insult will be as overall meaningless as calling someone an emo kid is today.
This.
I'm all for renaming SJW's something less impressive sounding, and I always found the "warrior" moniker hilariously inappropriate for people who (stereotypically) hide behind the internet
There is a lot of disagreement about what makes a SJW. I've heard some reasonable stances, and I've also seen folks use it like "hipster" or "emo"; as merely an insult to someone because they had different opinions. The whole thing is damned stupid anyhow. The folks throwing that phrase around like toilet paper only fighting against those that disagree with them. I'm thinking that at this point, throw them all into a giant cage and let them fight it out, "Beyond Thunderdome" style.
"Two men enter, one man leaves!"
There is a lot of disagreement about what makes a SJW. I've heard some reasonable stances, and I've also seen folks use it like "hipster" or "emo"; as merely an insult to someone because they had different opinions. The whole thing is damned stupid anyhow. The folks throwing that phrase around like toilet paper are doing the same thing, only fighting against those that disagree with them. I'm thinking that at this point, throw them all into a giant cage and let them fight it out, "Beyond Thunderdome" style.
"Two men enter, one man leaves!"
I think we can all agree that someone who frequents the worst parts of tumblr can usually fit the bill
I think we can all agree that someone who frequents the worst parts of tumblr can usually fit the bill
That sounds pretty subjective. Also, utterly meaningless for a lot of people like me that don't even look at tumblr. Most of our communication and activism is done online anyhow, so how is anyone superior than the other? The only reason why I ever looked at anything from tumblr other than googled images was DG's blog, and that's closed now. So yeah, still stupid, still meaningless, still childish. Neither "side" in this is looking all that compassionate or intelligent. I include the other set of mouthbreathers that use "straight white man*" as an insult.
*For those that keep using anyone's sexual preference, gender or racial identity as an insult, I politely invite you to go to hell. Two wrongs don't make a right, jackass.*
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