I do, if the game is so broken mechanically that is it almost literally unplayable. Not, "Too many fetch quests," or "lame puzzles," but to the point where you can't even play the game at all as intended.
If I believed in objectively bad games, I'd have to take people seriously when they say DA2 was a bad game.
I suppose I can agree that if you cannot play the game then nope.
What is an objectively 'great' game? That I still feel is impossible to determine
What is an objectively 'great' game? That I still feel is impossible to determine
I don't feel there is something objective in that idea. What makes a "great" game, anyhow? It really varies from person to person. So, while I feel comfortable with calling a very few games objectively bad, I'm not touching the notion that something can be objectively good or great.
I don't feel there is something objective in that statement. What makes a "great" game, anyhow? It really varies from person to person. So, while I feel comfortable with calling a very few games objectively bad, I'm not touching the notion that something can be objectively good or great.
I wasn't trying to be if it was about my assessment of DAI. I completely am okay with saying it wasn't a game I was expecting (in a negative way for me). I deal with people all the time that tell me Dark Souls 2 is a terrible game too so I understand the frustration of having someone jab at me repeatedly for that.
No no, you mistake me. I didn't feel like I could answer your question. as far as what's objectively a "great" or "good" game. That's all. I know you were greatly disappointed in DA:I, but you offer criticisms without ripping into me or any fan of the game. Well, so long as they are respectful.
Thankfully, I'd say the overwhelming majority of the DA forum has been really cool with me. I try to be respectful of others opinions, and I've gotten flamed maybe a dozen times since I became fully active on the forums in November of '13. Sometimes though, it makes me sad to see the bashing that DA:I receives. The criticisms don't bother me at all, but the hardcore bashing makes me a little sad on occasion.
For the record, Ogre, I think you've been hanging out with the wrong crowd. I've seen nothing but great critic and player reviews of DS2. It hasn't been just on sites like Metacritic or such, but also on regular gaming forums. I tried the DS1 demo, and I couldn't hack it. The difficulty was too much for my sorry butt. If you can play and enjoy Dark Souls 2, then that was your money well spent. 
By the way, thanks guys for the video card recommendations. My husband checked our fiances and we were more flush than we thought. I've got the GTX 970 ordered and it should be here in the next couple of days. Come Monday at the latest, I should be able to game again. I appreciate the suggestions. It'll be nice to be able to do some modern gaming again. I love my GBA, but I miss games that are more than 16 bit. And I'm pretty sick of my PSP games. 
If I believed in objectively bad games, I'd have to take people seriously when they say DA2 was a bad game.
What about Big Rigs or the vile filth that plagues steam greenlight?
What about Big Rigs or the vile filth that plagues steam greenlight?
Hey, not all of Greenlight is "filth." I take it you've never heard of Kirball Kerbal Space Program? 
What about Big Rigs or the vile filth that plagues steam greenlight?
You know, AVGN reviewed it and I kind of chuckled. I wonder if someone out there found it to be worth their time genuinely.
Hey, not all of Greenlight is "filth." I take it you've never heard of Kirball Space Program?
Kerbal* and yes, I've even played it a bit. I know not everything on Greenlight is filth, but many of them are. I'd recommend you some Jim Sterling's videos, the amount of shite he's called out on Greenlight is quite a bit, some "developers" literally resell assets they bought for the Unity Engine on Greenlight.
Kerbal* and yes, I've even played it a bit. I know not everything on Greenlight is filth, but many of them are. I'd recommend you some Jim Sterling's videos, the amount of shite he's called out on Greenlight is quite a bit, some "developers" literally resell assets they bought for the Unity Engine on Greenlight.
My husband would have looked at me funny for the mispelling if he wasn't at work. I apologize. 
If the games are playable as intended, I can't call it objectively bad. In other words, not so broken that you struggle to finish it due to bad programming. The subjective quality, on the other hand...well, there's Goat Sim. At least it's intentionally broken. 
I do, if the game is so broken mechanically that is it almost literally unplayable. Not, "Too many fetch quests," or "lame puzzles," but to the point where you can't even play the game at all as intended.
Not to sound like a hater, but DA:I on release for the PC with Keyboard/Mouse controls qualified as this in my opinion. Specifically the keyboard/mouse was so bad I gave up on it after an hour and I'd played DA2 with keyboard/mouse for multiple playthroughs. If hadn't done a little research and seen people saying it was much more playable with a controller, and then gone and got one... I would've missed a game I enjoyed a lot up through my Nightmare completion. I don't intend to resurect that dead and beaten horse, but it is a close at hand example.
There certainly seem to be games where the person who doesn't like it is the outlier, but they are few and far between (The Last of Us comes to mind).
I'm on PC, with M/KB controls. It was a little awkward, but ME1's controls were far more so. I love the ME series, but every time I play it, I end up dreading the controls in ME1 a little bit. Both games are playable as intended despite the wonky controls, unless you have a disability that prevents you from enjoying action games. There is a few in this thread that have such a disability.
Not to sound like a hater, but DA:I on release for the PC with Keyboard/Mouse controls qualified as this in my opinion. Specifically the keyboard/mouse was so bad I gave up on it after an hour and I'd played DA2 with keyboard/mouse for multiple playthroughs. If hadn't done a little research and seen people saying it was much more playable with a controller, and then gone and got one... I would've missed a game I enjoyed a lot up through my Nightmare completion. I don't intend to resurect that dead and beaten horse, but it is a close at hand example.
There certainly seem to be games where the person who doesn't like it is the outlier, but they are few and far between (The Last of Us comes to mind).
Thing is, DAI PC M/K controls are not broken upon launch for many as well. I understand that it is an issue with some players but that does not qualify DAI's M/K control to be a broken mechanic. You cant conclude that something is objectively bad based on something subjective.
There are those who claim that TW3's M/K are broken and unplayable as well.
Is the M/K perfect on DAI and TW3? I suppose there will always be room for improvement. But to claim that it is broken to the level that renders the game unplayable? I simply cannot fathom that.
Sometimes I suspect people who are making such complains are playing only a certain genre of games with certain control schemes. If that is the case... well, nothing much to say I suppose.
I don't love the witcher 1, but 2 and 3 are almost standalone and both are just amazing.
If you discover you don't like it, you'll still be blown away by 2.
Yeah, Witcher 1 is just okay. Pretty good for a first effort but the improvements in 2 and 3 are massive.
I finally got into Act 2. Stupid Beast Boss.
So far I am not all that thrilled with the system - the whole put a point in this to pick herbs etc.
I am basically having Mr G,. sleep with anything that moves, get completely drunk and blow his cash on dice games. So far he is winning the dice games, which means more booze and hookers for him! LOL!
I finally got into Act 2. Stupid Beast Boss.
So far I am not all that thrilled with the system - the whole put a point in this to pick herbs etc.
I am basically having Mr G,. sleep with anything that moves, get completely drunk and blow his cash on dice games. So far he is winning the dice games, which means more booze and hookers for him! LOL!
XD have no idea what I'm doing and I'm in chapter 4. I get stomped by some enemies still.
Since I have no interest in Triss really I am going all around Temeria with Mr.G.
I do, if the game is so broken mechanically that is it almost literally unplayable. Not, "Too many fetch quests," or "lame puzzles," but to the point where you can't even play the game at all as intended.
Or a game like "Too Human", which is just irredeemable.
Apparently the skill points in one sign branch doesn't carry over to the next one? That's kind of lame considering you're essentially forced to forfeit those skill points unless you want to waste another slot in your character tree. It doesn't really feel like progression in this case but more like swapping on a different pair of socks.
I agree, if this is truly the way it functions (don't understand it yet myself since I've had no trouble with the combat yet). It's an unclear and inefficient perk system for leveling up. Thankfully, this doesn't hamper my enjoyment of The Witcher 3 in a significant way. I've been trying to stay at a lower level until I get through all these lower quests anyway.
I am nowhere near a completionist at all. In fact when I finished my first pt I've only done 60%ish of the game....but yeah :-(I blame myself for being a completionist on my first run and also picking a qunari shield & sword warrior. Literally picked up every shard & did every astarium, closed every rift, picked up every piece of junk, did every fetch quest, killed every dragon, etc. didn't realize you could continue playing after finishing the campaign either. Every battle was a slog and on top of that I hadn't touched anything DA since 2011 so I had forgotten all of the lore and knew nothing about Coryfish, also didn't do any of the romances and didn't do any of the companion side quests and didn't gain any specialization or craft anything. Also played without any import as well and skipped reading every note or codex. So effectively I had the worst possible first run you can imagine - my second run was with a dalish elf dw rogue assassin, crafted the best gear, didn't touch any of the collectibles and didn't bother with the dragons until after I finished, did all of the companion quests and did one of the romances.
So yeah I had only one way to go and it was up.
I am nowhere near a completionist at all. In fact when I finished my first pt I've only done 60%ish of the game....but yeah :-(
One thing that never got old was the dragons. Gosh, those fights pumps me up all the time. Never got tired of Bull's reaction before every encounter. He's like a child in a sweet store :-)
"Boss, I just want you to know....you're the best." Love ya too, Bull.
I got Bull a lot of constitution based gear and a nice guard belt so I could take him along for dragon fights. I also absolutely love the fight music for the dragons. It helps me get pumped up every time.
Which makes the silence on most of the fights that much more deafening. My husband was very surprised that most fights in the game lack music altogether. I know, I know, favorite nitpick of mine. Some folks have their big problems with DA:I that bug the crap of out them. The lack of music in so much of the game is one I'm having trouble letting go.
I just hope that they have the budget in the next game to actually do more music for the zones and the fights, and not try to pull the "immersion" excuse. I have no problem defending BioWare in some cases, but that was some straight up bullcrap right there. 
Witcher 3 is simply the better game, but more than that, CDPR is simply the better developer now.
DAI was pushed out and then post-release support was cut, with the majority of the team reassigned to other projects, patches extremely slow (not to mention fails to acknowledge fan criticism) and terrible communication between fans and devs - enough to destroy 16 years of loyalty. "Bioware" is no longer the same, that much has been proven. Their practices are akin to other EA products; high on marketing, budget post-release support.
TW3 was polished but still with bugs, bugs that the developer fixed promptly and the game continues to enjoy post-release support not just in patches but in free DLCs. The game itself is of incredible and CONSISTENT quality, no lazy MMO fetch-quest design, and all that combined with a DRM-free package. Dev isn't even going on about their next game, their focus is still on TW3 despite its incredible success.
Regardless I don't think this thread can do much good, even if there are those within "Bioware" who treat their games as a labor of love, they still have to answer to their EA overlords who simply see you as nothing more than money bags to be exploited.
Witcher 3 is simply the better game, but more than that, CDPR is simply the better developer now.
DAI was pushed out and then post-release support was cut, with the majority of the team reassigned to other projects, patches extremely slow (not to mention fails to acknowledge fan criticism) and terrible communication between fans and devs - enough to destroy 16 years of loyalty. "Bioware" is no longer the same, that much has been proven. Their practices are akin to other EA products; high on marketing, budget post-release support.
TW3 was polished but still with bugs, bugs that the developer fixed promptly and the game continues to enjoy post-release support not just in patches but in free DLCs. The game itself is of incredible and CONSISTENT quality, no lazy MMO fetch-quest design, and all that combined with a DRM-free package. Dev isn't even going on about their next game, their focus is still on TW3 despite its incredible success.
Regardless I don't think this thread can do much good, even if there are those within "Bioware" who treat their games as a labor of love, they still have to answer to their EA overlords who simply see you as nothing more than money bags to be exploited.
I do, if the game is so broken mechanically that is it almost literally unplayable. Not, "Too many fetch quests," or "lame puzzles," but to the point where you can't even play the game at all as intended.
Aliens: Colonial Marines is an objectively bad game.
Aliens: Colonial Marines is an objectively bad game.
I shall add Fable 3 to that list.
If I believed in objectively bad games, I'd have to take people seriously when they say DA2 was a bad game.
It was...
Agreed
I actually like that they have a voiced protagonist now (but I know most Bethesda fans won't)
On their forums, many of them don't.
But they are just going to have to deal with it.
(Just like the way Dragon Age and Mass Effect have evolved )
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