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[Dreadstruck]

Agree 100%. There are many examples I could give, but the ones that stand out to me are....

That's not counting the plethora of facial expressions during side missions when Geralt is amused, surprised or just sickened by something he sees. I'm no professional "artist", but these seem pretty amazing...

 
Also, it's kinda funny but I never thought I'd ever witness Geralt and the term "sad puppy eyes" used in one picture.

 

 

Of course, it may not be that epic and groundbreaking as we describe it to someone, but in the end - it perfectly does its job, and that's what matters to me the most in scenes that partially rely on conveying emotions.

[TheOgre]

Your example is very good. I'll take it. And I do like how they did those things in TW3. But I also very much like how BW managed to set the mood with something as small and seemingly insignificant as a letter. So in a way BW should have combined the methods better. However Laidlaw (I think it was) commented on that and it would have meant far fewer codex entries.

I think my problem with codexes are that I'm terribly impatient when I played. I could have easily saw a lot of the descriptions because there were very horrendous examples of cruelty km codex entries of racism and homophobia on part of thedas.

I am confident da4 will have better emphasis on their side quests. I just want to kick and scream to remind them it really helps in a open world.

[panzerwzh]

At least try to improved player's emotional attachment into all the quests in DA4.

 

My favorite 'sidequest' of a branching second quest from one stage of the main quest line in TW3-the Tower of Mice (which is based on an true polish historical event as well). It has nothing to do with major plot yet still perfectly tells a tragic love story during chaos war time in conjunction with the discrimination between aristocrat and peasants, greedy, regret, deceiving and revenge or reunion of love and  redemption (depends on Witcher's choice). Even it does not have any special loots or decent amount of exp as reward for player, but the experience itself is far more rewarding than almost anything I experienced in DAI.  Furthermore, it is a perfect example in Witcher;s world, a morally good decision often comes with devastating results.

 

Spoiler

 

Ending 1 : Revenge

 

Ending 2: Reunion and redemption

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCUDtrSa1Gg

[Heathen Oxman]

At least try to improved player's emotional attachment into all the quests in DA4.

 

My favorite 'sidequest' of a branching second quest from one stage of the main quest line in TW3-the Tower of Mice (which is based on an true polish historical event as well). It has nothing to do with major plot yet still perfectly tells a tragic love story during chaos war time in conjunction with the discrimination between aristocrat and peasants, greedy, regret, deceiving and revenge or reunion of love and  redemption (depends on Witcher's choice). Even it does not have any special loots or decent amount of exp as reward for player, but the experience itself is far more rewarding than almost anything I experienced in DAI.  Furthermore, it is a perfect example in Witcher;s world, a morally good decision often comes with devastating results.

 

Spoiler

 

Ending 1 : Revenge

 

Ending 2: Reunion and redemption

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCUDtrSa1Gg

 

Seriously......

 

I was really trying to be "Nice Geralt" and when I "helped" a certain someone in that quest......yeesh. 

[panzerwzh]

Seriously......
 
I was really trying to be "Nice Geralt" and when I "helped" a certain someone in that quest......yeesh. 

Now you know why witcher needs to be emtionless and keep netruallity path.

[Elhanan]

Just finished another replay of ME3 - The Citadel DLC, and Bioware already has facial expressions in their repertoire. And as I recall, during some of the cut-scenes of DAI, this is still present.

[duckley]

DA:I does have some facial expressions for sure, but I am not sure they are as frequent and as clear as they are in the Witcher. Cullen especially has some lovely expressions. 

 

I must also comment on the hair in the Witcher. Oh how it moves! It looks real and soft. And if there is clipping -honestly, I haven't noticed. I  love how you can go to the barber and change up the hair and beard.

 

As for information in the codexes in DA:I , they are so hard to read, that I rarely read them. I have to say though - the font they use in the Witcher is smaller - so DA:I beats TW3 in font size  - although ultimately both are unreadable unless you stand next to the TV.

[midnight tea]

My favorite 'sidequest' of a branching second quest from one stage of the main quest line in TW3-the Tower of Mice (which is based on an true polish historical event as well).

 

Well LOL, no - it's based on old Polish legend, not historical event xD

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popiel

[Elhanan]

DA:I does have some facial expressions for sure, but I am not sure they are as frequent and as clear as they are in the Witcher. Cullen especially has some lovely expressions. 
 
I must also comment on the hair in the Witcher. Oh how it moves! It looks real and soft. And if there is clipping -honestly, I haven't noticed. I  love how you can go to the barber and change up the hair and beard.
 
As for information in the codexes in DA:I , they are so hard to read, that I rarely read them. I have to say though - the font they use in the Witcher is smaller - so DA:I beats TW3 in font size  - although ultimately both are unreadable unless you stand next to the TV.

Hair is better looking in TW3, and the FPS drops indicated on the vids reveal the cost. Also, one character would seem to be easier to dress and customize than potentially all of the possibilities allowed in DAI (eg; race, gender, CC options).

[correctamundo]

Seriously......

 

I was really trying to be "Nice Geralt" and when I "helped" a certain someone in that quest......yeesh. 

 

Yeah I am constantly being kicked in the groin for playing nice (and naive) Geralt =D

[midnight tea]

 
Also, it's kinda funny but I never thought I'd ever witness Geralt and the term "sad puppy eyes" used in one picture.

 

Spoiler

 

Of course, it may not be that epic and groundbreaking as we describe it to someone, but in the end - it perfectly does its job, and that's what matters to me the most in scenes that partially rely on conveying emotions.

 

It perfectly does its job... because puppy eyes themselves are not hard to do, from animation/drawing perspective. There are plenty of those in DAI as well. I'd like to point out however the rest of the scene(s) - we don't see Ciri screaming 'noooo' and hardly see her face when she realizes one of her mentors is killed (we mostly see her being despondent via body language). We also don't really see her face much when she later sits next to the body - and the only way, really, you can tell that she's crying in the pyre scene is runny mascara.

 

Also - the scene where Geralt finds Ciri's lifeless body first? Based on body language his face should be a picture of pure anguish - yet we don't see it at all. It would be quite hard to pull it, TBH, since it involves more than creasing brows and squinting eyes a tad.

 

My point is not just to further my point about them obscuring faces - but also that cinematics/movie cadres/comic panels don't have to necessarily show faces to convey emotion.

[Gileadan]

Well LOL, no - it's based on old Polish legend, not historical event xD

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popiel

Interesting!

 

We have a similar legend ourselves. Bishop Hatto was said to have brought the beggars of his city into a granary, telling them they would be fed there, and then had the granary locked up and set fire to it, saying "the begging will have an end now, shall mice eat me if it's not true." Oh look, so many mice all of a sudden! He fled to a watchtower on an island in the Rhine river, but the mice apparently swam quite well...

[London]

I don't yet have a scene from Witcher that stands out, but DAI did have an amazing scene expression wise.

For me it was during Lelianas personal quest. When she meets and hugs the person we find there, but then during the hug and out of view of the other person looks at the inquisitor with a serious look and shakes her head "no." She then goes back to being overly sweet. I just loved this scene and it's one of the moments that stuck with me months after I stopped playing. I guess it helps that I am a Leliana fanboy and can't get enough of her though.

[midnight tea]

Hair is better looking in TW3, and the FPS drops indicated on the vids reveal the cost. Also, one character would seem to be easier to dress and customize than potentially all of the possibilities allowed in DAI (eg; race, gender, CC options).

 

That's true - even my monster PC has trouble with it sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I quite like the hair (even if it's a little too "floaty"), but I can hardly see it pulled in game where we're running with just more than one character AND that character (those characters) is more customizable than Geralt. 

 

Also - I'd like to point out that only a handful of characters have similar hair - quite a few however have standard short/stiff coiffure, likely because more of those would kill our machines.

 

What I'm more annoyed by is Geralt's beard - it seems to have a mind of its own, at least when it comes to its growth patterns :/

[midnight tea]

Interesting!

 

We have a similar legend ourselves. Bishop Hatto was said to have brought the beggars of his city into a granary, telling them they would be fed there, and then had the granary locked up and set fire to it, saying "the begging will have an end now, shall mice eat me if it's not true." Oh look, so many mice all of a sudden! He fled to a watchtower on an island in the Rhine river, but the mice apparently swam quite well...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if both of those shared the same source (I mean, at least the source of inspiration). Poland and Germany are not far away from one other, after all

[TheOgre]

The beard is an ai of its own and it's sole purpose? To counter your planned design midnight!

*chuckles obnoxiously*

The elven renegade.. Saw a streamer use that beard style on purpose to troll his viewers.. My.. My eyes I had to scratch them as I saw Geralt with that beard and the very short hair to boot. I wanted to strange him for that choice of hair.

[correctamundo]

You guys are spoiling to much...   serves me right for not finishing the game yet...I have to fire it up and just finish that amazing ride =)

[Gileadan]

The beard has a mind of its own in so far that on PC, choosing the goatee will also give Geralt the Blue Stripes tattoo from TW2 - which should only appear if an appropriate save game is imported, regardless of beard style.

[midnight tea]

The beard is an ai of its own and it's sole purpose? To counter your planned design midnight!

*chuckles obnoxiously*

 

Well it DOES ruin my design

 

I prefer to see Geralt clean-shaven or with a stubble, but the game just randomly decides to turn him into Papa Christmas, even if I visited the barber just a day before >_< That beard must be possessed!

[TheOgre]

You guys are spoiling to much... serves me right for not finishing the game yet...I have to fire it up and just finish that amazing ride =)

Oh.. Shoot.. sorry..

Everyone remember [ spoiler] [ /spoiler] when referring to specific scenes

[TheOgre]

Well it DOES ruin my design

I prefer to see Geralt clean-shaved or with a stubble, but the game just randomly decided to turn him into Papa Christmas, even if I visited the barber just a day before >_< That beard must be possessed!

It's that crazy priest from chapter 1 of witcher 1. I can prove it. Just side with him and your beard will be predictable.. Kill him.. it's an interesting world save import feature that cdpr decided to leave in as an easter egg.. Kappa should be a universal emoticon outside of twitch.tv imo.

Oh.. And Geralt with the beard of Santa claus is fitting for his next role when he retires..

[Dreadstruck]

Isn't there a mid-shaved stubble as one of the possible permament beard styles?

 

Also, there's a mod that that stops the beard grow, so you can avoid having immersion breaking situations where Geralt suddenly turns into a Santa after two cutscenes

[TheOgre]

I wish said mods could work on consoles 8(

[panzerwzh]

Interesting!
 
We have a similar legend ourselves. Bishop Hatto was said to have brought the beggars of his city into a granary, telling them they would be fed there, and then had the granary locked up and set fire to it, saying "the begging will have an end now, shall mice eat me if it's not true." Oh look, so many mice all of a sudden! He fled to a watchtower on an island in the Rhine river, but the mice apparently swam quite well...

Interesting, they all share similar themes like greedy, betrayal etc. as well. Pretty great discussion inspired by a "side quest" I recon. This is how the proper quest design should be in a awesome RPG.

[AmberDragon]

Has anyone done the wolf armour treasure hunt in Witcher 3 yet?

Spoiler

Really hit me right in the feels when you find the list of boys who died in the old lab during the trial of grasses, their ages and how they died one even being euthanised because the trial left him brain damaged...