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And evidently, some are not getting it, so if at first one does not succeed....

But shoving your very same opinion to anyone giving constructive criticism to dai or anyone giving tw3 the accolades it deserved who were not even quoting your post is not really helping though.

On topic: I can't for the life of me find anywhere what happened to that last crone who got away when you attack them. Can someone please spoiler tag what happened to that one?
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I don't think Bioware will turn around and say they need to add a lot more swear words because it's the cool thing to do.

 

What I want them to do is more of Emprise Du Lion, Adamant, Temple of Mythal, some other places I'm forgetting. 

 

With the blight possibly making a return in DA4, POSSIBLY, they can easily use some elements form DAI and good elements from DAO to combine into a great DA4.

 

I'm repeating this again and again, more emphasis on side quests and less 'moarrr power'' villains. 

I don't think we need more swear word I think it was don't good in DA:I they used than appropriate and then not appropriate for humour and become appropriate. Varric and Sera swear "a lot" and it fits. And our inquisitor can to like in the fade or even then talking with that sister who sits at skyhold and we can talk forget name.



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But shoving your very same opinion to anyone giving constructive criticism to dai or anyone giving tw3 the accolades it deserved who were not even quoting your post is not really helping though.

 

Hence the accusations of derailment.



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Except they are getting it. You don't want games to have the player rely on twitch reflexes, due to your disability, you would rather they added a pause option. You don't want what you consider to be distasteful content, such as sex and profanity, and would like devs to focus on content you don't find objectionable.
 
Your stance really isn't hard to understand, I think you're getting backlash not because people are misinterpreting what you're saying, but due to the frequency in which you say it. You made these points early on in the thread, and have continued to do so on every other page for 200+ pages, ad nauseam. Every time the conversation takes a different direction, you come in and make the same points and direct the conversation back to you, which is why you have had accusations of derailment.
 
So again, people aren't getting angry because they're not understanding your points, they're just tired because they got them the first time you made them, yet you continue to repeat them over, and over, and over again.


And yet so many folks will reply with the question as to what have I got to offer for this thread. Maybe they don't look at the previous 200 pages, and are jumping into the deep end without looking....

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But shoving your very same opinion to anyone giving constructive criticism to dai or anyone giving tw3 the accolades it deserved who were not even quoting your post is not really helping though.

On topic: I can't for the life of me find anywhere what happened to that last crone who got away when you attack them. Can someone please spoiler tag what happened to that one?

This will be heavy spoiler game endings and more so if you don't finish game don't read.

Spoiler


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This will be heavy spoiler game endings and more so if you don't finish game don't read.

Spoiler

 

"No witcher ever died in his bed"...


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This will be heavy spoiler game endings and more so if you don't finish game don't read.

Spoiler


Thank you! Wow so much emotions. I think this movie cutscenes i've been watching is severely lacking.

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Thank you! Wow so much emotions. I think this movie cutscenes i've been watching is severely lacking.

This is what DA:I needs. It would be nice if DA:I had multiple endings based on your choices like Witcher not just one. Win party ending. Imagine If Cory wins or Inquisitor wins just barely everyone dies only Inquisitor left "Is it truly victory?" But probably DA players couldn't handily it.


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I kind of wish the final show down was like the infamous suicide mission of ME2. I mean...it seemed like the perfect set up for it...



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I kind of wish the final show down was like the infamous suicide mission of ME2. I mean...it seemed like the perfect set up for it...


Dont think it will work. Companion based game and the other is a story of one man. The other can't die in that suicide mission and this one man band obviously died on this ending.

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This is what DA:I needs. It would be nice if DA:I had multiple endings based on your choices like Witcher not just one. Win party ending. Imagine If Cory wins or Inquisitor wins just barely everyone dies only Inquisitor left "Is it truly victory?" But probably DA players couldn't handily it.

The story is actually about Geralt's daughter Ciri. Hence, what kind of father Geralt choose to be , decides the fate of Ciri.

 

and the best moments IMO.

Spoiler

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About the kingdoms..

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Tw3 gets me to care about even the subplots such as politics. Heh.. Damn.
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The story is actually about Geralt's daughter Ciri. Hence, what kind of father Geralt choose to be , decides the fate of Ciri.

 

and the best moments IMO.

Spoiler

Yes. You right.

Ciri: What can you know about saving the world,silly? You're but a witcher.

Geralt: :mellow:

Ciri: This is my story not yours. You must let me finish telling it.

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I kind of wish the final show down was like the infamous suicide mission of ME2. I mean...it seemed like the perfect set up for it...

Yes this is what I hoped. But Cory come alone we have all companions and Advisers come on Cullen and Leliana could take down Cory alone. But no we have take only 3 companions :huh:



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I kind of wish the final show down was like the infamous suicide mission of ME2. I mean...it seemed like the perfect set up for it...

 

This was a really stupid mechanic in the game. If you did all the sidequest and got all the upgrades (which the characters kept you reminding of), it was really easy to have everybody survive the "suicide" mission. 

 

The Witcher has an easier time doing dramatic endings, because it's not an ongoing universe. The choices in Witcher 2 don't actually influence anything regarding the main plot in Witcher 3, while it does in Dragon Age. It also doesn't have a customizable character, so it can be much more character focused and therefore make it dramatic. 

 

BioWare should look at some of the sidequests in Witcher 3, because they were really good. But the other things are really difficult to achieve in Dragon Age due to the differences between the series (already running around with companions or alone has an influence). 


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Yes this is what I hoped. But Cory come alone we have all companions and Advisers come on Cullen and Leliana could take down Cory alone. But no we have take only 3 companions :huh:

 

Coryfish is just too disarmed, either there should've been another Haven-esque situation at the ending OR Coryfish is just a pawn of Nightmare and we have to fight Nightmare itself. As for a suicide-mission, I don't know about that but any great ending needs to feel like you're on the cusp of either tragedy or victory and DAI decidedly feels like safe victory by the end, never even close to tragedy.



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Tw3 gets me to care about even the subplots such as politics. Heh.. Damn.

Good to hear you enjoy it, politic in TW3 is just OK really, Radovid turns on full retard mode. TW2 has done a much better and realistic job regarding politic conflicts and schemes. Politic issues is also a major theme in TW book series as well.

 

There is an excellent blog to analyze political issues in TW2.

http://knightofphoen...blr.com/witcher

 

And CDPR forum as well

http://forums.cdproj...778#post1808778

 

By comparison, politics in DAI is basically a joke or power fantasy. For example, the inquisitor turns from a murder suspect to "Jesus walking among us" takes less than 2 hours. Why? Are there any political competitions? Are there any serie backfires and consequences within the order itself? Why seekers and other religions leader or forces don't approach you with different propositions for alliance in exchange for their own personal or political scheme?

 

Why would any existing monarchs so easily allow such a religion-based military order (e.g. Knights of Templar) exist if they gain not economical or political benefits from it but risks? How about each advisers on the war-table represents certain country or fiction and holds secret schemes/responsibilities then as the leader instead of choosing various cards you have to prevent them from getting each others' throat? To make certain compromises in exchange for their finical/ military support in stead of the stupid fetch quests and "power + n" logo.

 

How about allowing more knights from Orlesian Empire or magics from Tevinter Imperium join the inquisition would give you temporary strength to overcome the first Cory assault but eventually leads to scheme to overthrow you as inquisitor? When you finally deal with the  conspiracy they turn to Cory for their own agenda hence force you to retreat to Skyhold for final confrontation?

 

There are so many potential but missed opportunities to provide a realistic experience of a chaos, bleak fantasy world with depth in DAI. Instead Bioware decide to create a beautiful Skyrim simulator + MMO RPG leveling + the savior for the world again. Compared to TW series, that is a shame really.

 

In short, DA writers really needs to lean some basics like what politic is, what is suitable motivations for political maneuver and feasible schemes/ compromises to achieve it. War is always the easiest choice for an RPG setting.  But the depth illustrated through political schemes, human emotions/conflicts  and different perspectives behind the war is  what really makes it epic. That is also why TW3 is so amazing.


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About the kingdoms..

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Tw3 gets me to care about even the subplots such as politics. Heh.. Damn.

Rad the Lad is the one true king!


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#5544
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The Witcher has an easier time doing dramatic endings, because it's not an ongoing universe. The choices in Witcher 2 don't actually influence anything regarding the main plot in Witcher 3, while it does in Dragon Age. It also doesn't have a customizable character, so it can be much more character focused and therefore make it dramatic. 

 

 

I think for any future games in TW's setting (or for Cyberpunk, if it ever gets released), CDPR should take some cues from Bioware insofar as they should have the option for a customizable character. I'm not saying "do over" - since yes, it is Geralt's story, specifically, for better or for worse. But I really think games like this (and lots that aren't, as the SR games suggest) are enriched by the option to simply choose who the PC is inhabiting.

 

I'm playing through the entire series now, and not very much would have to change to support this. Notwithstanding the the above, Geralt isn't significantly more "predefined" than Shepard is, and the character can shine through even if we're given option to choose our sex and appearance.

 

Also, I find that I'm enjoying it very much, so all you jerks can say "I told you so."

 

(You're not really all jerks.)



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Good to hear you enjoy it, politic in TW3 is just OK really, Radovid turns on full retard mode. TW2 has done a much better and realistic job regarding politic conflicts and schemes. Politic issues is also a major theme in TW book series as well.

 

There is an excellent blog to analyze political issues in TW2.

http://knightofphoen...blr.com/witcher

 

And CDPR forum as well

http://forums.cdproj...778#post1808778

 

By comparison, politics in DAI is basically a joke or power fantasy. For example, the inquisitor turns from a murder suspect to "Jesus walking among us" takes less than 2 hours. Why? Are there any political competitions? Are there any serie backfires and consequences within the order itself? Why seekers and other religions leader or forces don't approach you with different propositions for alliance in exchange for their own personal or political scheme?

 

Why would any existing monarchs so easily allow such a religion-based military order (e.g. Knights of Templar) exist if they gain not economical or political benefits from it but risks? How about each advisers on the war-table represents certain country or fiction and holds secret schemes/responsibilities then as the leader instead of choosing various cards you have to prevent them from getting each others' throat? To make certain compromises in exchange for their finical/ military support in stead of the stupid fetch quests and "power + n" logo.

 

How about allowing more knights from Orlesian Empire or magics from Tevinter Imperium join the inquisition would give you temporary strength to overcome the first Cory assault but eventually leads to scheme to overthrow you as inquisitor? When you finally deal with the  conspiracy they turn to Cory for their own agenda hence force you to retreat to Skyhold for final confrontation?

 

There are so many potential but missed opportunities to provide a realistic experience of a chaos, bleak fantasy world with depth in DAI. Instead Bioware decide to create a beautiful Skyrim simulator + MMO RPG leveling + the savior for the world again. Compared to TW series, that is a shame really.

 

In short, DA writers really needs to lean some basics like what politic is, what is suitable motivations for political maneuver and feasible schemes/ compromises to achieve it. War is always the easiest choice for an RPG setting.  But the depth illustrated through political schemes, human emotions/conflicts  and different perspectives behind the war is  what really makes it epic. That is also why TW3 is so amazing.

 

Bioware should watch House of Cards and set the next game in the Tevinter Imperium.


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#5546
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One thing I wish was in both games was the ability to leave custom notes on the maps.

I like leaving notes if there's something I want to come back to later, or even a here there be dragons type message if I find something that's too tough.

 

PoE has a custom note feature, and I use it all the time.

THIS! You are so right. It's especially useful in open world games, for instance when you run into enemies that outlevel you or when you find a hidden location you want to be able to explore later. Would be great to be able to jot down on the map the enemy type and level and other notes. In TW3 and DAI I printed out the maps and wrote on them by hand. Quaintly old-fashioned but not that much fun. 



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Corypheus is such empty and moronic villain as well. His motivation is retard and his methodology is childish. Instead of bomb all chantry/mage/Templar leaders to hell and ****** off everybody, He could easily copy from crazy Radovid, corrupting/patronizing certain high level figures within the chantry declare a witch hunt / crusade on mages (guess how many Templar will jump at that :P) to effectively demolished the both the reputation and power of chantry, Templar order and mage cycle at the same time. Cassandra and Leliana need to work really hard to escape the fire pyre. By promising blood mage or forest elves their own sovereignty in a blight weaken Ferelden, they could easily turn it into a frying pan (Emhyr and Gleanna send their regards). Racism, superiority, discrimination and historical bad blood plus simply manipulation and patronizing for the stupid aristocrat classes in both countries , Orlei and Tenvitor really doesn't need much motivation to get on each others throat. Then simply  inform Qunari is time to party, hardly image they will say not. The world will simply consume itself. Poor Corypheus really does not need much brain and that do everything himself attitude to become a master schemer in DAI's setting. Instead of the stupid "big bad black ancient mage" on a big bad black dragon/arch demon. What a tragedy.  



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Bioware should watch House of Cards and set the next game in the Tevinter Imperium.

That show is just too complicated and misogynist for current Bioware team if you know what I mean. :P

 

Only if one of them actually read the Witcher serie books , then the plot quality in DAI will be 20folds better at least. 



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That show is just too complicated and misogynist for current Bioware team if you know what I mean. :P

 

Only if one of them actually read the Witcher serie books , then the plot quality in DAI will be 20folds better at least. 

 

Don't the books borrow heavily as is?



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Don't the books borrow heavily as is?

Not quite there yet. Radovid's father is simply amazing and cunning as hell. Fortest/Brotest is also quite memorable political animal. My favourite Francesca Findabair just has 30 second dialog. Unacceptable!