As I am unqualified to decide what is best for paying these employees for their labor, I pass on trying to tell them their jobs; simply purchase and obtain what I want. As for TW3, am still waiting for any of it.
As am I.
I'm not posting this in defense of TW3. I haven't even played it. I'm posting solely as a disgruntled Bioware fan.
As am I.
I'm not posting this in defense of TW3. I'm posting solely as a disgruntled Bioware fan.
And while I would prefer free content, does not mean I want it or not. Same goes for what I have viewed of the TW3 content. Whether it is free or has a fee, the decision to include it hopefully remains my own.
Choose not to fault Bioware for their business model; same goes for the linked accounts (ie; Origin, Steam, GOG). the final determination is made by myself via purchases, and thus far I own more Bioware titles than others, though I have far more use of GOG as a platform and game library.
To date, I reserve all my acrimony for EA, and very little for Bioware. I do fault EA's business model though, because it's predatory. The item packs are overpriced for their value and flagrantly cut from previously released content. The MP is a RMT laden hellhole.
CDPR is also a big company, and frankly, as with EA, I trust them as far as I can throw them. From what I can see, the stuff that has been released for TW3 is small. A couple of outfits, a couple of items, and a couple of missions. This is stuff that, for all they claim, was probably unfinished game content. But! Simply by releasing this small beans content for free, they've positioned themselves as scrappy little champions of the everyday player. EA has egg on their face. Bioware look like a bunch of chumps. Pretty decent ROI, in that sense.
Bioware has this crap lying around too. They could release some of it bit by bit for free (because that's the price that a release like Spoils of the Avvar merits), you'd still be able to choose whether you wanted it or not, and they'd garner a lot of goodwill. As it is, you're pointing out all the post-game content they've released, but the only ones that make them look good at all are JoH and Black Emporium.
I hope that they compensate the last gen customers in some way-- I think this really looks bad for Bioware. It would have been different had there been some inkling that future DLC would not be available to them. I am sure they suspected--or should have-- that future games would be new gen only, but they purchased the game and had made available all dlc up to this announcement without any hint that this would be the case.
Bioware should have changed course during game development and made it for new gen only. Sure, some last gen customers would have been pissed, but at least they wouldn't have spent the money and time and aggravation on the game. Bioware had to know these things were going to be an issue before release, yet chose to put the last gen consoles out anyway and decide midway in dlc season to pull the plug. Just seems like a poor business practice.
I just hope CDPR never takes a cue from Bioware on "How to treat your fans".
This is a pretty huge dick move. Getting this news on the same day as the "Spoils of the Qunari" just puts me in a bad mood. I'm not even an old gen gamer.
I'm happy to place the blame on EA though, for most of these issues. I have long regarded releasing DAI on old gen as a cash grab. If I were one of DAI's developers, and they proposed this to me, I would have laughed, and gone "oh... you're serious." As though releasing a new game on ten year old hardware would be any way to present my work in the best light. But if I work at Bioware, I probably like my job enough to trot out the company spin.
I'm a little concerned that EA is trashing goodwill in favor of scrapping for every last blessed dollar. These days, the former might just be worth more than the latter in the long and short run. CDPR seems to have the right approach here, regardless of why they're doing it (and I suspect its not altruistic).
This is a pretty huge dick move. Getting this news on the same day as the "Spoils of the Qunari" just puts me in a bad mood. I'm not even an old gen gamer.
I'm happy to place the blame on EA though, for most of these issues. I have long regarded releasing DAI on old gen as a cash grab. If I were one of DAI's developers, and they proposed this to me, I would have laughed, and gone "oh... you're serious." As though releasing a new game on ten year old hardware would be any way to present my work in the best light. But if I work at Bioware, I probably like my job enough to trot out the company spin.
I'm a little concerned that EA is trashing goodwill in favor of scrapping for every last blessed dollar. These days, the former might just be worth more than the latter in the long and short run. CDPR seems to have the right approach here, regardless of why they're doing it (and I suspect its not altruistic).
One can only hope that their next dlc is really worth snobbing some of their fans for, however small % the old gen users may be.
I understand why they do it though. Its just feels really bad.
Ps: TommyServo how the heck could you say dick while one of my post got deleted for the word "s h t"?
I don't know. I've never intentionally censored myself or snuck around the censor. The profanity filter just has interesting priorities.
Quests and decisions that have consequences, a properly filled open world, much less pointless harvesting and looting, and much better gameplay. Also CD Projekt Red is giving out Free DLC specifically to divert from the greedy norm, putting Inquisition to shame.
Please don't take people's individual preferences personally here. There are a lot of things the majority of us can agree on!
Also, fair warning, there are spoilers in this thread for the Dragon Age and Witcher franchises so read with caution. If you're contributing to the thread, please use "Spoiler" tags for discussing story elements.
No, If I want to play The Witcher then I'll play The Witcher games. Trying to make the next DA more like TW3 won't work because everybody will just say "it's a The Witcher 3 clone" or "that it's TW3-lite" Bioware should focus on making the best Dragon Age game that they can and trying to borrow, copy, or anything from The Witcher series is doomed to failure.
I mostly agree with you, except for the CDPR thing. Of course, I know it's your opinion and all, but they have done nothing at all that seems shady to me. They've been listening to a lot of feedback and have made efforts to remedy a lot of it.
I have immensely enjoyed all of the free dlc-- the wolf armor and Fool's Gold mission alone is enough to satisfy me. I have heard excellent things about the latest free mission, too. I have yet to play it due to my schedule.
Until they give me reason to see them in a dark light, they're remaining pretty bright.
I don't think my comments reflect poorly on CDPR. They weren't intended to. They're just being smart. They're garnering good will and raking in cash. Plus, they have a big flashing example of what not to do in EA and other big publishers.
And in Bioware's defense, from what I can tell, the BE was put in 100% due to player feedback, which is laudable. It's a shame they didn't treat actual usable qunari items the same way. That would have earned them a gold star from me.
Just read the news about the whole, "No more DLC content for PS3 and 360." I cannot say who is at fault here E.A. or Bioware, but if I had to guess, I'd say, E.A. I really do feel sorry for people who cannot afford a newer system or a PC with high enough capabilities to support playing DAI. They should have just launched the game on the newer consoles to begin with. Bioware/EA is close to the end of releasing DLCS for the game and now they decided to not launch anymore DLCs for older systems? Uh WTF? That would be like someone cooking a gigantic meal on their old stove and before the end he/she decides, "Well no more cooking cause this stove is too old."
I highly doubt someone or anyone who is on an older system is going to scrounge together the cash to buy a new system, a new copy of DAI and the DLC. What did EA see the sales for W3, crap their pants and decided to try making as much or more by pulling this? Hell they already peeved me off with DAI by purchasing Hakkon and then turn around and see another purchase for add-ons for more cash. Really? You could have not combined the two? Ugh.
If I sound bitter I am. I am lucky enough to afford one of the newer consoles and a damn good PC, but most people are not and thus I feel for them. I just have zero tolerance of people who start a job and refuse to finish on account of poor excuses.
What's going to happen next? DA4 (if it happens) only going to be released on PC?
Now I am off to vent some steam by playing Gwent. Mmm Gwent.
I don't think my comments reflect poorly on CDPR. They weren't intended to. They're just being smart. They're garnering good will and raking in cash. Plus, they have a big flashing example of what not to do in EA and other big publishers.
And in Bioware's defense, from what I can tell, the BE was put in 100% due to player feedback, which is laudable. It's a shame they didn't treat actual usable qunari items the same way. That would have earned them a gold star from me.
I'm generally 'for' supporting business practices that work better for me no matter the motivation.
I didn't think you were trashing CDPR. You were expressing your opinion and I see nothing at all wrong with that. You didn't even say anything bad. So, no worries.
They aren't making money on the free dlc, but if more people are buying the game due to it, I say wonderful! The more money they make will hopefully reflect to excellent dlc and future titles. Incentives are a fantastic thing if done correctly and I believe in this case, it is.
This is what I'm talking about. And precisely what I mean when I say that goodwill is worth more than whatever they're charging for the item packs. And probably, the sort of thing that prevents a thousand angry dicks from taking a **** on the game on metacritic or whatever.
It wouldn't have cost them much to release the item packs for free. The rise in popular opinion the move would grant would pay that back and then some.
I'm generally 'for' supporting business practices that work better for me no matter the motivation.
This is just good sense, and applicable universally. If you expect anyone to do the right thing for the right reasons, particularly when money and market share are involved, you're in for disappointment.
I'm generally 'for' supporting business practices that work better for me no matter the motivation.
Yeah. Whatever the reasons behind CDPR's decision to release the 16 pieces of DLC for free, it's the players reaping the benefits from it. If they are trying to get into people's good graces, mission accomplished. The naysayer's claims that it's all fluff content have been thoroughly invalidated too. "Fools Gold' and 'Where the Cat and Wolf Play' are some lengthy, interesting quests in their own right. The Wolf School armor DLC also takes you all over the map, to some pretty interesting locations, which can be time consuming. Long may these sorts of business practices continue!
For those of you who like this kind of thing - and sorry if this was posted before - here's a song dedicated to Ciri, "Lady of Worlds" by Miracle of Sound.
Since all the cutscenes are about Ciri, spoilers are going to be legion though.
For those of you who like this kind of thing - and sorry if this was posted before - here's a song dedicated to Ciri, "Lady of Worlds" by Miracle of Sound.
Since all the cutscenes are about Ciri, spoilers are going to be legion though.
Spoiler
This is what I'm talking about. And precisely what I mean when I say that goodwill is worth more than whatever they're charging for the item packs. And probably, the sort of thing that prevents a thousand angry dicks from taking a **** on the game on metacritic or whatever.
It wouldn't have cost them much to release the item packs for free. The rise in popular opinion the move would grant would pay that back and then some.
I think the beauty of CDPR drip feeding this bits of free content is that it keeps players engaged in the game to check these things out, and when the bigger expansion packs come out players are more likely to purchase them not having completely moved on. Basically gamers have a good feeling about the game so don't mind paying a bit extra for a lot of new story content.I don't think my comments reflect poorly on CDPR. They weren't intended to. They're just being smart. They're garnering good will and raking in cash. Plus, they have a big flashing example of what not to do in EA and other big publishers.
And in Bioware's defense, from what I can tell, the BE was put in 100% due to player feedback, which is laudable. It's a shame they didn't treat actual usable qunari items the same way. That would have earned them a gold star from me.
I think the beauty of CDPR drip feeding this bits of free content is that it keeps players engaged in the game to check these things out, and when the bigger expansion packs come out players are more likely to purchase them not having completely moved on. Basically gamers have a good feeling about the game so don't mind paying a bit extra for a lot of new story content.
For those of you who like this kind of thing - and sorry if this was posted before - here's a song dedicated to Ciri, "Lady of Worlds" by Miracle of Sound.
Since all the cutscenes are about Ciri, spoilers are going to be legion though.
Spoiler
That is ciriously good.
I'll leave.
If by meaning to charge for larger content, and allow some smaller DLC to be free; already done. But if one does not wish to pay for items, then skip it; I do. However, I am not qualified or willing to place a fee for such content for any company; simply make my choices based on the info available.
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