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[Torgette]

Maybe I look at this DLC stuff with too much of a PC perspective but it doesn't bother me at all when a new PC game comes out and is demanding and I have to buy new hardware to run it well. It was completely the developer's choice in that respect, and I respect that choice especially if they think they can make a better game because of it. It was IMO a mistake for DAI to be made with 360/PS3 in mind as they're now reaching 10 years old and really holding things back. To me the fact that they're doing this with DLC that was never promised is the right way to do it if you were to do it at all. Similarly if CDPR said they're making an expansion to TW3 that requires a 980Ti minimum i'd be fine with that, it's far better than the moneyhatting you see where DLC or games are clearly held back for money's sake.

[KBomb]

Maybe I look at this DLC stuff with too much of a PC perspective but it doesn't bother me at all when a new PC game comes out and is demanding and I have to buy new hardware to run it well. It was completely the developer's choice in that respect, and I respect that choice especially if they think they can make a better game because of it. It was IMO a mistake for DAI to be made with 360/PS3 in mind as they're now reaching 10 years old and really holding things back. To me the fact that they're doing this with DLC that was never promised is the right way to do it if you were to do it at all. Similarly if CDPR said they're making an expansion to TW3 that requires a 980Ti minimum i'd be fine with that, it's far better than the moneyhatting you see where DLC or games are clearly held back for money's sake.

Maybe it doesn't bother you because you didn't buy it last gen because you wanted to, but because you had to for financial reasons. Then, struggle with bugs and poor design, making the game you love a frustrating ordeal-- then receive little in way of technical support, only to be told that all future dlc will be cut off from you.

And dlc that was never promised? Is that the defense? Of course it was promised! It was promised when they received JoH and Spoils of Avvar and were told, "We're working on more dlc!" Why the heck would last gen players ever think, "I better not get my hopes up for the next dlc, after all, Bioware never promised it would be for old gen consoles."

If they didn't want to support last gen, then fine. Don't make the game for last gen. Don't make it and then decide to block it because they can't make it work. It's a mean practice that has no defense. Whether it's a "good business" decision or the mentality that, "old gen were holding us back anyway" is a minute point.

And how would you feel if they said they aren't supporting future dlc for anything but Xbox One because of a deal with Microsoft and PC users were out of luck? Would you be so forgiving then? After you purchased the game plus dlc?

[TheOgre]

I would also say that I expected DLC regarding The Dreadwolf myself.. Considering for some characters they need that closure XD can't do it on a last gen console anymore.

[SnakeCode]

I honestly don't buy the idea that the 360/PS3's 10 year old hardware couldn't handle the likes of DA:I. If Rockstar can get a game like GTA V running almost flawlessly on it then Bioware surely cold have done a better job than they did with a lesser game. If I had to guess, i'd say that Bioware weren't keen on a last gen release but EA wanted to cast as wide a net as possible to maximise sales (this is the publisher that still releases annual Fifa titles on the PS2.) Seems to me that last gen consoles just got the least amount of time spent on making it a worthwhile experience to play, looks like the support isn't there and now they're just trying to sweep last gen under the rug and speak no more of it.

[TheOgre]

I thought the last gens almost died or died from JoH dlc?

 

Maybe their optimization is really not there?

[panzerwzh]

I honestly don't buy the idea that the 360/PS3's 10 year old hardware couldn't handle the likes of DA:I. If Rockstar can get a game like GTA V running almost flawlessly on it then Bioware surely cold have done a better job than they did with a lesser game. If I had to guess, i'd say that Bioware weren't keen on a last gen release but EA wanted to cast as wide a net as possible to maximise sales (this is the publisher that still releases annual Fifa titles on the PS2.) Seems to me that last gen consoles just got the least amount of time spent on making it a worthwhile experience to play, looks like the support isn't there and now they're just trying to sweep last gen under the rug and speak no more of it.

It is simply stupid excuses to generate more DAI sales on xbone and ps4. I could not believe a DLC would significantly increase the hardware demand of a 100hr+ game.

[KBomb]

Also, I thought they stated MP wouldn't interfere with SP? Now you get Skyhold decor for beating dragons in MP. /sigh

[Elhanan]

Might wish to get the info correct:

“There’s no requirement or expectation that you play Dragon Age Multiplayer,” explained Flynn. “No story content in the single player campaign is affected by what you do in Dragon Age Multiplayer.”

Décor seems to be separate from story content.

[TheOgre]

Also, I thought they stated MP wouldn't interfere with SP? Now you get Skyhold decor for beating dragons in MP. /sigh

 

Can only imagine Elhanan having a big forehead bulge over this remark without clicking that "View it anyway?"

 

It's an extra incentive to play it but it doesn't necessarily impact storymode. Just means if you really want that piece you'll clear the dragons on MP

 

TBH would rather they make it accessible without MP but that's just me.

[KBomb]

Can only imagine Elhanan having a big forehead bulge over this remark without clicking that "View it anyway?"

It's an extra incentive to play it but it doesn't necessarily impact storymode. Just means if you really want that piece you'll clear the dragons on MP

TBH would rather they make it accessible without MP but that's just me.

Haha I figured his reply was to me, but didnt even bother clicking "View anyway". I know what it says. I am sure it's something along the lines of: "It doesn't interfere with story content! Bioware never said story content! It's just optional stuff! OPTIONAL!"

It's most likely the same thinghe said about the dlcgate. Without reading his replies: It's not Bioware's fault. It is optional material that no one has to buy so no one should be upset because you don't need it. It's a broken record.

I think it should be accessable without MP, too. It isn't something I am mad about or anything, just think MP gets enough stuff. My opinion, though.

[panzerwzh]

Haha I figured his reply was to me, but didnt even bother clicking "View anyway". I know what it says. I am sure it's something along the lines of: "It doesn't interfere with story content! Bioware never said story content! It's just optional stuff! OPTIONAL!"
It's most likely the same thinghe said about the dlcgate. Without reading his replies: It's not Bioware's fault. It is optional material that no one has to buy so no one should be upset because you don't need it. It's a broken record.
I think it should be accessable without MP, too. It isn't something I am mad about or anything, just think MP gets enough stuff. My opinion, though.

Yup that's pretty much all about it. Obvious troll is obvious.

[TheOgre]

Mp currently gets the most bug fix attentions

#salty

[Elhanan]

Y'all forgot the part about folks taking things out of context; never fail to let me down....

Would love to see a future game be designed as PC only; Pause feature included, of course.

[FKA_Servo]

Also, I thought they stated MP wouldn't interfere with SP? Now you get Skyhold decor for beating dragons in MP. /sigh

Might wish to get the info correct:“There’s no requirement or expectation that you play Dragon Age Multiplayer,” explained Flynn. “No story content in the single player campaign is affected by what you do in Dragon Age Multiplayer.”Décor seems to be separate from story content.

Yeah - I don't think the snark is warranted here, Elhanan.

This really hacks me off, and is very much a betrayal of that very notion of MP/SP separation. Unless, of course, you can point out where I can hang my dragon swag in the multiplayer lobby. If there's no way to get this stuff in the SP (where, incredibly, we kill *numerous* dragons), it's utter crap.

Bioware has really pulled a couple of boners today. I can't say I'm happy with them at all right now.

[KBomb]

Yeah - I don't think the snark is warranted here, Elhanan.

This really hacks me off, and is very much a betrayal of that very notion of MP/SP separation. Unless, of course, you can point out where I can hang my dragon swag in the multiplayer lobby. If there's no way to get this stuff in the SP (where, incredibly, we kill *numerous* dragons), it's utter crap.

Bioware has really pulled a couple of boners today. I can't say I'm happy with them at all right now.

Sorry-- I know this is a serious discussion and I agree with you, but "pulled a couple of boners today" made me laugh a bit louder than it should have. I am stealing that, if you don't mind.

[Elhanan]

Yeah - I don't think the snark is warranted here, Elhanan.

This really hacks me off, and is very much a betrayal of that very notion of MP/SP separation. Unless, of course, you can point out where I can hang my dragon swag in the multiplayer lobby. If there's no way to get this stuff in the SP (where, incredibly, we kill *numerous* dragons), it's utter crap.

Bioware has really pulled a couple of boners today. I can't say I'm happy with them at all right now.

We differ on what is considered an error. Seems spot on to what was stated, and is available for those that use DA-MP to obtain it. And the other DLC has a price; also a legitimate business concept.

Same concept as TW3; some DLC is free, and some has a fee. The difference is that CDPR is calling said paid materials expansions; still is Down Loaded Content.

[FKA_Servo]

Sorry-- I know this is a serious discussion and I agree with you, but "pulled a couple of boners today" made me laugh a bit louder than it should have. I am stealing that, if you don't mind.

 

Please do, but don't thank me - thank Batman.

 

 

 

Also, try to read "Chortle at Joker's Boner" out loud without laughing.

 

 

We differ on what is considered an error. Seems spot on to what was stated, and is available for those that use DA-MP to obtain it. And the other DLC has a price; also a legitimate business concept.

Same concept as TW3; some DLC is free, and some has a fee. The difference is that CDPR is calling said paid materials expansions; still is Down Loaded Content.

 

I agree that it's a legitimate business concept, but it's also a jerk move. Qunari players have been complaining about a lack of usable schematics since day 1, and now they add them behind a paywall? C'mon.

 

The dragon decorations are singleplayer content locked behind a multiplayer wall. If you want to nitpick, then fine - it's not story outcomes like it was in ME3. Still, I'd bet money that the players who care the most about having this available to them are the hardcore SP fans. This is a betrayal of that MP/SP separation promise, flat out.

 

And again - I am not defending TW3 here. I don't even own the game, and there are plenty of people in a better position to do that, considering we're two hundred some odd pages deep here. Rather, I'm excoriating Bioware for making some egregiously dumb moves this week, that range from stupid to indefensible. But since it seems like we're down to these two developers for "King of the WRPGs" here, I'd be remiss if I didn't note that one of them does seem to be doing something right.

[panzerwzh]

This is a wonderful piece of such time.

 

[9TailsFox]

Haha I figured his reply was to me, but didnt even bother clicking "View anyway". I know what it says. I am sure it's something along the lines of: "It doesn't interfere with story content! Bioware never said story content! It's just optional stuff! OPTIONAL!"

It's most likely the same thinghe said about the dlcgate. Without reading his replies: It's not Bioware's fault. It is optional material that no one has to buy so no one should be upset because you don't need it. It's a broken record.

I think it should be accessable without MP, too. It isn't something I am mad about or anything, just think MP gets enough stuff. My opinion, though.

From all Elhanan post I can come up with only one logical conclusion, he works for Bioware/EA there is no they someone will be devils advocate for free.

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[Elhanan]

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I agree that it's a legitimate business concept, but it's also a jerk move. Qunari players have been complaining about a lack of usable schematics since day 1, and now they add them behind a paywall? C'mon.
 
The dragon decorations are singleplayer content locked behind a multiplayer wall. If you want to nitpick, then fine - it's not story outcomes like it was in ME3. Still, I'd bet money that the players who care the most about having this available to them are the hardcore SP fans. This is a betrayal of that MP/SP separation promise, flat out.
 
And again - I am not defending TW3 here. I don't even own the game, and there are plenty of people in a better position to do that, considering we're two hundred some odd pages deep here. Rather, I'm excoriating Bioware for making some egregiously dumb moves this week, that range from stupid to indefensible. But since it seems like we're down to these two developers for "King of the WRPGs" here, I'd be remiss if I didn't note that one of them does seem to be doing something right.

Five dollars does not seem like much of a wall; either pay it or not. Am not so entitled to make pricing demands. And if one wants the Dragon décor, it seems reasonable on how to obtain it.

Neither is for me; same goes for TW3.

[panzerwzh]

From all Elhanan post I can come up with only one logical conclusion, he works for Bioware/EA there is no they someone will be devils advocate for free.

Spoiler

Dude, Don't spoil it! it is such a honor to observe such a endangered species sample (a.k.a. Bioware/EA customer service) in real life!

[FKA_Servo]

I'm overwhelmingly in his corner with regards to DAI. I love the game.

 

But abruptly (and cheerfully, not even apologetically) dropping old gen support without offering any sort of fig leaf to those players is bad. Exploitative DLC is bad. This goddamn MP focus (when the MP is garbage, unlike ME3) is bad. And locking satisfying SP content behind MP participation is bad.

 

They've made some mistakes, here. I love Bioware to an embarrassing degree, but I'm still quite happy to criticize them when they screw up. They're screwing up.

[Elhanan]

I'm overwhelmingly in his corner with regards to DAI. I love the game.
 
But abruptly (and cheerfully, not even apologetically) dropping old gen support without offering any sort of fig leaf to those players is bad. Exploitative DLC is bad. This .... MP focus (when the MP is garbage, unlike ME3) is bad. And locking satisfying SP content behind MP participation is bad.
 
They've made some mistakes, here. I love Bioware to an embarrassing degree, but I'm still quite happy to criticize them when they screw up. They're screwing up.

Nope; seeing things as bad and in error is but an opinion, and Bioware has nothing here of which to be embarrassed, and is not exploitive at all. DAI is not in completion with TW3; no reason to be.

[FKA_Servo]

Nope; seeing things as bad and in error is but an opinion, and Bioware has nothing here of which to be embarrassed, and is not exploitive at all. DAI is not in completion with TW3; no reason to be.

 

I don't know how you'd define "exploitative" then. They released a $15 Avvar themed DLC (which was great) and then two months later, they release a $5 pack with two armors, a couple of mounts and a new chair? All the enemies and NPCs were running around in that very armor, and this isn't something they could have included with the DLC? C'mon.

 

How many armors are available for qunari characters to wear in the base game? LIke five? I don't even know. I haven't played one yet because there's no armor for them to wear and that's boring.

 

And once again, you're the only one mentioning TW3. I'm talking about Dragon Age. Just because it's not in direct competition with TW3 doesn't mean they shouldn't get called when they do something dumb.

[Lady Artifice]

I don't know how you'd define "exploitative" then. They released a $15 Avvar themed DLC (which was great) and then two months later, they release a $5 pack with two armors, a couple of mounts and a new chair? All the enemies and NPCs were running around in that very armor, and this isn't something they could have included with the DLC? C'mon.

 

How many armors are available for qunari characters to wear in the base game? LIke five? I don't even know. I haven't played one yet because there's no armor for them to wear and that's boring.

 

And once again, you're the only one mentioning TW3. I'm talking about Dragon Age. Just because it's not in direct competition with TW3 doesn't mean they shouldn't get called when they do something dumb.

 

Out of likes, but I think the spoils of the Avvar pack should have been a part of the Jaws of Hakkon, full stop. I'm kind of regretting paying for it.