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[Elhanan]

lol. That'd be a new benchmark for BSN, complaining that protagainists of books don't have customizable  genders and sexualities.
 
"They used a definitive gender pronoun for the main character in the first chapter. 0/10 Worst Book Ever. Why does anyone even Steinbeck?!?"

Failure to comprehend; I do not read or play the materials for objectionable content and a lack of Pause mechanics, and also do not read much at all any more. Could care less if TW3 has a set character, as I also like Hake and Shepard; pass on these books, too.

[Xetykins]

.And I prefer the quality seen in the writing of Bioware; will likely not see it in The Witcher.

I just spat a mouthful of sushi reading this.

Even Origins is a bit behind. And Origins is the greatest RPG ever made!!

*hisses at anyone who disagrees*

[line_genrou]

Playing as Lambert would be cool. I really like him.

[FKA_Servo]

I didn't see your other message while typing that, so yeah, I see what you mean now. Still, I personally hope they always stick with the pre-defined characters with the Witcher games, even if you don't play as Geralt.

 

And my point is that you can still do that with a character creator.

 

They could release a spin-off I guess, with some nobody you could create in Geralt's world...interracting with Geralt's friends and even with Geralt.

I personally can't see the appeal.

 

I just think that RPGs in general benefit mightily from the ability to craft a custom protagonist. I'm not trying to denigrate TW as it exists with this criticism (something I admittedly might have done a few months ago, because I was grumpy). I think it's the right approach for future games.

[Das Tentakel]

Apparently they had already put it up on the xbox marketplace but ended up removing it, if that's true I don't imagine it'll be long. 

 

Dumbest TW3 DLC evar, but I suppose they wanted to throw a bone to a certain subset of fans...

[nici2412]

A customizable character wouldn't work for the sole reason that the Witcher world is not an gender-neutral world

They would be forced to add a male and female option if they wouldn't want to be criticized by the usual suspects..

Most of the npc's don't react in the same way to a male like to a female in the Witcher world.

So they would have to change the world into a sjw world like Dragon Age, but then this is no Witcher game anymore and what would be the point of it? We have Dragon Age for that.

The other option would be to write different dialogues depending if you play as a female or male character but can you imagine the shitstorm if a npc calls a female protagonist  w.hore or c***" but not a male one? Furthermore they would need to use ressources on that, which would be missing elsewhere

CDP will allow the players to create their character in Cyberpunk. The world in 2077 fits much better for that and there is no strong lore with such dominant characters like in the Witcher series.

Witcher should stay as it is. Predefined character with strong writing, who heavily enhances the story because of the fact he has a backstory of 8 books.

[hoechlbear]

Playing as Lambert would be cool. I really like him.

 

Lambert, Lambert, what a pr*ck. I didn't like him when he first appeared but once I reached Kaer Morhen I started to love the guy.

[MoonDrummer]

They could release a spin-off I guess, with some nobody you could create in Geralt's world...interracting with Geralt's friends and even with Geralt.

I personally can't see the appeal.

I would love the next Witcher game to be about Lambert and Keira. It'd probably annoy some people because

Spoiler

they might have killed her

and also because Lambert is a bit of a ******, and whilst I love his prickish behaviour I could see a lot people not. He'd need a new voice actor though. I've wanted to play as a mage in the witcher for a bit, so we could have segments like Ciri did where you play as Keira. This is all just hopeful dreaming. 

 

Keira's ties to the lodge would allow them to be a plot point again too. 

 

I don't want them to add a cc, but I wouldn't be upset if they did. Who doesn't want to play as a Gnomish witcher?

[Elhanan]

I just spat a mouthful of sushi reading this.

Even Origins is a bit behind. And its the greatest RPG ever made!!

*hisses at anyone who disagrees*

Don't blame you; prefer my sushi well done....
 


As for writing, guess I may never know.

[FKA_Servo]

A customizable character wouldn't work for the sole reason that the Witcher world is not an gender-neutral world

They would be forced to add a male and female option if they wouldn't want to be criticized by the usual supsects..

Most of the npc's don't react in the same way to a male like to a female in the Witcher world.

So they would have to change the world into a sjw world like  Dragon Age, but then this is no Witcher game anymore  and would be the point of it? We have Dragon Age for that.

The other option would be to write different dialogues depending if you play as a female or male character but can you imagine the shitstorm if a npc calls a female protagonist  w.hore or c***" but not a male? Furthermore they would need to use ressources on that, which would be missing elsewhere

CPp will allow the players to create their character in Cyberpunk. The world in 2077 fits much better for that and there is no strong lore with such dominant characters like in the Withcer series..

Witcher should stay as it is. Predefined character with strong writing, who heavily enhances the story because of the fact he has a backstory of 8 books.

 

I frankly don't see how any of it would be more or less objectionable than it is already, regardless of the target. What you're saying here is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

[Das Tentakel]

This wouldn't work because they'd have change the lore or characters. If Geralt was a female, there'd be no Triss, Yennefer, Ciri, Lambert, Eskel, Vesemir, maybe even no Dandelion. it wouldn't even be a Witcher game, since females cannot be come a Witcher. Even if they had let you change Geralt's appearance, he'd still have to be white, have the signature Witcher eyes, he'd also have to keep his albino hair and the scars on his face and all over his body.

 

I used to be 100% in favour of being able to create your own character, but a few games - the Witcher trilogy first among them - made me change my mind.

For my narrative RPG fix I now prefer a fixed character, simply of the many ways this allows the deepening of the story. Even the limited character options of DA2 and ME means a narrowing of possibilities because of a broadening of character options. After all, resources are finite...

 

That doesn't mean I oppose the freedom to create your own character, particularly in truly sandboxy open world games or linear games with a blank slate-ish player avatar - there's definitely a place for them - but I've come to realise I am a Story Ueber Alles kind of person.

[hoechlbear]

Apparently they had already put it up on the xbox marketplace but ended up removing it, if that's true I don't imagine it'll be long. 

 

Oh, I hadn't seen it yet! I was expecting something else. But then again Triss' alternative look really sucked. Yen's was ok.

[MoonDrummer]

Oh, I hadn't seen it yet! I was expecting something else. But then again Triss' alternative look really sucked. Yen's was ok.

I think I like it better than her original outfit, which makes it better than the alternates for Triss and Yen already. Would have loved it if they brought Triss' witcher 2 outfit out for a free dlc.

[Xetykins]

Don't blame you; prefer my sushi well done....As for writing, guess I may never know.

A "well done" sushi? O.o

[Dread-Reaper]

And my point is that you can still do that with a character creator.

To some extent yeah, but it wouldn't have the kind of depth you'd get from a character like Geralt, where you could have characters comment on things like his scar or white hair.

[FKA_Servo]

I used to be 100% in favour of being able to create your own character, but a few games - the Witcher trilogy first among them - made me change my mind.

 

For my narrative RPG fix I now prefer a fixed character, simply of the many ways this allows the deepening of the story. Even the limited character options of DA2 and ME means a narrowing of possibilities because of a broadening of character options. After all, resources are finite...

 

That doesn't mean I oppose the freedom to create your own character, particularly in truly sandboxy open world games or linear games with a blank slate-ish player avatar - there's definitely a place for them - but I've come to realise I am a Story Ueber Alles kind of person.

 

My impression so far though is at least as variable as Hawke was. He can be a pretty sweet guy, or a real dick. Two aspects that can shine through even with a custom protagonist.

 

I wouldn't alter the personality of that predefined character. I'd just add a CC and a second VO. It would likely require a bit more reactivity in the story, but not tons more. And I think we'll expect more and better as time goes by no matter what, either way.

 

I don't need it in every game, either, but in any decision driven game (most RPGs, definitely TW) I think it's a boon.

[nici2412]

I frankly don't see how any of it would be more or less objectionable than it is already, regardless of the target. What you're saying here is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. More a general thought about why it would be difficult and imo not worth to create a game with a customizable protagonist.That's why I didn't quote you. Though I wouldn't say it's not only not worth it but would be counterproductive as imo a predefined protagonist can enhance they story much more than a player-created character if done right.

[FKA_Servo]

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. More a general thought about why it would be difficult and imo not worth to create a game with a customizable protagonist.That's why I didn't quote you. Though I wouldn't say it's not only not worth it but would be counterproductive as imo a predifned protagonist can enhance they story much more than a player-created characters if done right.

 

And I feel very strongly that you can give that predefined protagonist a set history and a set personality and retain a variable appearance and gender choice. I think it would improve the experience on subsequent playthroughs and broaden the appeal of the game overall.

 

I'm not talking about Geralt, I understand and appreciate why it wouldn't work with what we have now.

[Elhanan]

A "well done" sushi? O.o

Guess this jest needed an emoticon; will not eat sushi purposely, though I am fond of grilled, blackened, and lemon pepper fillets.

Can see where some like the default visage for a set character; my own choice for Shepard as a male. However, for a female Shepard, I prefer to customize her appearance. I like options.

[line_genrou]

They could add a CC in a future title NOT placed in the Witcher universe. Cyberpunk, for instance or any other RPG they make.

 

CC should stay far away from the Witcher

there's also the whole issue of the SJW that it was mentioned and I'll probably give up RPGs completely if that ever infects The Witcher series.

 

No, let BioWare continue to be politically correct, the damage is already done anyway.

[Elhanan]

They could add a CC in a future title NOT placed in the Witcher universe. Cyberpunk, for instance or any other RPG they make.
 
CC should stay far away from the Witcher
there's also the whole issue of the SJW that it was mentioned and I'll probably give up RPGs completely if that ever infects The Witcher series.
 
No, let BioWare continue to be politically correct, the damage is already done anyway.

No damage in my content; might be on the other side of the system using the controls....

[line_genrou]

No damage in my content; might be on the other side of the system using the controls....

 

It's pretty clear by now that your standards are very low so I wouldn't take your word for it.

[Das Tentakel]

They could add a CC in a future title NOT placed in the Witcher universe. Cyberpunk, for instance or any other RPG they make.

 

CC should stay far away from the Witcher

there's also the whole issue of the SJW that it was mentioned and I'll probably give up RPGs completely if that ever infects The Witcher series.

 

No, let BioWare continue to be politically correct, the damage is already done anyway.

 

I think it's best to keep 'politics' out of this thread.

[Dread-Reaper]

My impression so far though is at least as variable as Hawke was. He can be a pretty sweet guy, or a real dick. Two aspects that can shine through even with a custom protagonist.

 

I wouldn't alter the personality of that predefined character. I'd just add a CC and a second VO. It would likely require a bit more reactivity in the story, but not tons more. And I think we'll expect more and better as time goes by no matter what, either way.

 

I don't need it in every game, either, but in any decision driven game (most RPGs, definitely TW) I think it's a boon.

Can you give me the names of some prominent RPGs that allow CC?

[FKA_Servo]

Can you give me the names of some prominent RPGs that allow CC?

 

As far as heavy hitters? Nearly every prominent developer in the genre that I can think of. Although since TW and CDPR are so often held up as a refreshing antithesis to these developers, I'm not sure that it would convince you.

 

That said, some examples that come to mind are... nearly every Bioware game, nearly every TES game, most Obsidian games. KoA:R. Divinity: OS. The Fallouts. Tons of games outside of the genre that would illustrate what I'm talking about, as well (I know that many here will disagree, but I think Saints Row is a good example of a game with a very predefined protagonist that doesn't at all suffer for being completely customizable).

 

Edit to add that upon re-reading, it occurs to me that you might be asking for ones that feature a strongly pre-defined character as well, in which case the list is a lot shorter. I still think it can be done, and maintain Mass Effect and DA2, regardless of your feelings on the subject, prove it. I suspect the forthcoming Fallout 4 may also.

Modifié par TommyServo, 15 juillet 2015 - 06:28 .