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[hoechlbear]

I think TW games wouldn't be the same without Geralt. But I read that Geralt's story was finished in TW3 so they aren't making more games with him, right? I think Ciri could take his place and I'm all for it if it happens! Although I don't know how that would work because she's so damn powerful.

[chrstnmonks]

Can you give me the names of some prominent RPGs that allow CC?

Baldur gate, Pillars of Eternity to name two. The thing about it is though the story was written around them being anybody. But I would say they have a definite  backstory. In Baldur Gate no matter who you, no matter your alignment , you will always be raised at candlekeep, raised by Gorion and growing up with Imeon.Pillars of Eternity same way you are the one who survives the biawaic

[Das Tentakel]

As far as heavy hitters? Nearly every prominent developer in the genre that I can think of. Although since TW and CDPR are so often held up as a refreshing antithesis to these developers, I'm not sure that it would convince you.

 

That said, some examples that come to mind are... nearly every Bioware game, nearly every TES game, most Obsidian games. KoA:R. Divinity: OS. The Fallouts. Tons of games outside of the genre that would illustrate what I'm talking about, as well (I know that many here will disagree, but I think Saints Row is a good example of a game with a very predefined protagonist that doesn't at all suffer for being completely customizable).

 

Neither KoA (a decent but for me personally forgettable game with a pretty blank slate-ish character without real personality) nor D:OS (great game, but not in terms of story or characters) are good comparative material in my opinion. The fact that the player avatars are pretty much a blank slate does help with 'self-inserting' of the player, but doesn't make for a better narrative experience in these games in my opinion. In fact, neither are particularly good narrative RPG's.

[Xetykins]

Guess this jest needed an emoticon; will not eat sushi purposely, though I am fond of grilled, blackened, and lemon pepper fillets.

Sooo.. how does a grilled AND blackened lemon pepper become a" well done sushi"that you prefer? Nm, I dont wanna know.

On topic:
God knows that I've been very stubborn about playing this game because of the male protagonist. But now I'm playing it, I really think it wouldn't be the same if it's someone else but Geralt. He's grown a hell of a lot on me. And as someone who has never ever played a male toon because I just cant connect with it, it is saying a lot. I'm really glad I gave this game a chance.

[FKA_Servo]

Neither KoA (a decent but for me personally forgettable game with a pretty blank slate-ish character without real personality) nor D:OS (great game, but not in terms of story or characters) are good comparative material in my opinion. The fact that the player avatars are pretty much a blank slate does help with 'self-inserting' of the player, but doesn't make for a better narrative experience in these games in my opinion. In fact, neither are particularly good narrative RPG's.

 

This occurred to me too, and I edited to reflect it. I also consider KoA a stretch period, but ultimately still worthy of inclusion in the list if we're talking prominent RPGs with CCs.

[FKA_Servo]

God knows that I've been very stubborn about playing this game because of the male protagonist. But now I'm playing it, I really think it wouldn't be the same if it's someone else but Geralt. He's grown a hell of a lot on me. And as someone who has never ever played a male toon because I just cant connect with it, it is saying a lot. I'm really glad I gave this game a chance.

 

I think this is illustrative of what I'm trying to drive at. A lot of people might be more willing to take the plunge with a game with a custom CC. And CDPR is clearly good at what they do - I don't think the quality would suffer.

 

I have admitted that I didn't know what I was missing out on.

[chrstnmonks]

Neither KoA (a decent but for me personally forgettable game with a pretty blank slate-ish character without real personality) nor D:OS (great game, but not in terms of story or characters) are good comparative material in my opinion. The fact that the player avatars are pretty much a blank slate does help with 'self-inserting' of the player, but doesn't make for a better narrative experience in these games in my opinion. In fact, neither are particularly good narrative RPG's.

I loved DO:S. I thought it was pretty good. I liked be able to role play the two main. I also thought it offered alot of moments to really define both of them. 

[hoechlbear]

I think this is illustrative of what I'm trying to drive at. A lot of people might be more willing to take the plunge with a game with a custom CC. And CDPR is clearly good at what they do - I don't think the quality would suffer.

 

I have admitted that I didn't know what I was missing out on.

 

But that's not on CDPR, that's on the people who don't want to give the game a chance because of that small detail. I, too, took a while to start playing this game because I prefer to play as a female and when given the chance, never play as a male. But I only had to look at what people were saying about the story, sidequests, characters and the world to decide to give the game a chance. If people value those things more than appearance, they will too. If not, then it's their loss, I guess. I don't think CDPR needs to add a CC to the game just to suit those players and I'd guess TW3 is doing fine in sales without it. Personally I hope TW games will never have a CC, I hope they will continue to have Geralt as the protagonist or even Ciri.

[Saphiron123]

Not really; got tips from one of them how to better place settings in my game to avoid vertigo. Seems to work well, as I am still playing currently.

Fair enough, doesn't change the fact the devs have almost no presence here. CDPR sends the message that they're listening to the fans and taking both criticism and praise in stride. Bioware is mostly absent, and has largely ignored what people want and need.

I feel like CDPR appreciates their fans. I don't feel that way about bioware.

[Xetykins]

I think this is illustrative of what I'm trying to drive at. A lot of people might be more willing to take the plunge with a game with a custom CC. And CDPR is clearly good at what they do - I don't think the quality would suffer.
 
I have admitted that I didn't know what I was missing out on.

I think the narrative would suffer some if you were to be a female when the story is about this one man who's THE Witcher.

At the end of the day I would still prefer to create a beautiful female character but not at the expense of watering down a great story about Geralt. Bioware will be my fix on the CC part.

[Elhanan]

It's pretty clear by now that your standards are very low so I wouldn't take your word for it.

I was ref Operator Error; low standards indeed....

[Elhanan]

Fair enough, doesn't change the fact the devs have almost no presence here. CDPR sends the message that they're listening to the fans and taking both criticism and praise in stride. Bioware is mostly absent, and has largely ignored what people want and need.

I feel like CDPR appreciates their fans. I don't feel that way about bioware.

The Twitter thread has daily activity, and believe some Devs are also active on other forms of social media. And feelings aside, cannot blame them for simply monitoring the forums rather than respond. Tis rather toxic.

[Dread-Reaper]

As far as heavy hitters? Nearly every prominent developer in the genre that I can think of. Although since TW and CDPR are so often held up as a refreshing antithesis to these developers, I'm not sure that it would convince you.

 

That said, some examples that come to mind are... nearly every Bioware game, nearly every TES game, most Obsidian games. KoA:R. Divinity: OS. The Fallouts. Tons of games outside of the genre that would illustrate what I'm talking about, as well (I know that many here will disagree, but I think Saints Row is a good example of a game with a very predefined protagonist that doesn't at all suffer for being completely customizable).

 

Edit to add that upon re-reading, it occurs to me that you might be asking for ones that feature a strongly pre-defined character as well, in which case the list is a lot shorter. I still think it can be done, and maintain Mass Effect and DA2, regardless of your feelings on the subject, prove it. I suspect the forthcoming Fallout 4 may also.

Most of those have you play as a random schmuck, you can choose their abilies and classes. I am also going to assume that Baldur's Gate, NWN and Divinity don't have a sexist world. The problem with trying to put CC in the Witcher games, is that you can only be one a class, a Witcher and only males can be Witchers. So that naturally prevents you from a playing a female and I'm sure many people prefer having Geralt over some random custom character.

 

Lets say that CDPR allowed to play as a female Witcher, assuming they don't PC the world up a bit, there'd be so many people crying sexism. Bandit's would constantly be calling you a **** or ******, people probably be hesitant to hire you for anything, unless you proved yourself to them or something. The point I'm trying to make, is that if they did CC and tried to keep the game in line with the lore, female characters would have a harder and would have to jump through hoops sometimes to do something a male character would do with ease. I know of only one game where male characters have an advantage or females and that is Mount and Blade Warband.

 

I personally, don't clarify Mass Effect and Dragon Age as having pre-defined characters, since you drastically alter their personalities. I see them as race locked characters instead, since you can make two completely different characters and the only thing they have in common are that they are both human.

[FKA_Servo]

Most of those have you play as a random schmuck, you can choose their abilies and classes. I am also going to assume that Baldur's Gate, NWN and Divinity don't have a sexist world. The problem with trying to put CC in the Witcher games, is that you can only be one a class, a Witcher and only males can be Witchers. So that naturally prevents you from a playing a female and I'm sure many people prefer having Geralt over some random custom character.

 

Lets say that CDPR allowed to play as a female Witcher, assuming they don't PC the world up a bit, there'd be so many people crying sexism. Bandit's would constantly be calling you a **** or ******, people probably be hesitant to hire you for anything, unless you proved yourself to them or something. The point I'm trying to make, is that if they did CC and tried to keep the game in line with the lore, female characters would have a harder and would have to jump through hoops sometimes to do something a male character would do with ease. I know of only one game where male characters have an advantage or females and that is Mount and Blade Warband.

 

I personally, don't clarify Mass Effect and Dragon Age as having pre-defined characters, since you drastically alter their personalities. I see them as race locked characters instead, since you can make two completely different characters and the only thing they have in common are that they are both human.

 

Without letting this degrade into a conversation about other things, people already take issue with this. I don't think it would be any more objectionable if the PC is the target.

 

Besides, even in this setting (in fact, regardless of setting), Geralt is an exceptional person. Male or female, in a game like this, our PC is likely going to be an exceptional person. And from what I've seen so far, there are notable precedents that I've encountered (White Rayla, Toruviel, various scoiatael soldiers, and of course the sorceresses) that suggest that this wouldn't be at all out of place. I'm sure there more are examples in the third game, although if any of you list them, I'd appreciate it if you spoiler it - I've already learned more than I'd like about Ciri.

 

My takeaway thus far (chapter 2 of TW2) is that Geralt is about as variable as Shepard. But either way, again - I'm not talking about The Witcher. I'm talking about whatever they do next, in that world or not.

[KBomb]

Dumbest TW3 DLC evar, but I suppose they wanted to throw a bone to a certain subset of fans...

Don't know which subset you're referring to; but I love that armor and can't wait to own it.

[AmberDragon]

But that's not on CDPR, that's on the people who don't want to give the game a chance because of that small detail. I, too, took a while to start playing this game because I prefer to play as a female and when given the chance, never play as a male. But I only had to look at what people were saying about the story, sidequests, characters and the world to decide to give the game a chance. If people value those things more than appearance, they will too. If not, then it's their loss, I guess. I don't think CDPR needs to add a CC to the game just to suit those players and I'd guess TW3 is doing fine in sales without it. Personally I hope TW games will never have a CC, I hope they will continue to have Geralt as the protagonist or even Ciri.

I think my age might be showing, I truly have no problem with a fixed protagonist, I also have no problem playing as a male character despite being female myself. I think it stems from starting my "gaming career" back in the 80's when there wasn't so much choice and of course some of my favourite games have fixed protagonists. To me trying to change how Geralt looks or trying to have female witchers is as silly as saying Lara Croft has to be customisable and you should have the chance to play as Lawrence Croft (or whatever name would be given to a male version of Lara). I guess as a woman in her fifties I am much more accepting and for me if a game has a good story I will play it. Yes it's nice to be able to customise a character but it isn't essential for me at the end of the day it's about playing a role in a game and personally I don't mind if that means I play a set character or one I create as long as it's fun and has a good story etc...

[FKA_Servo]

I think my age might be showing, I truly have no problem with a fixed protagonist, I also have no problem playing as a male character despite being female myself. I think it stems from starting my "gaming career" back in the 80's when there wasn't so much choice and of course some of my favourite games have fixed protagonists. To me trying to change how Geralt looks or trying to have female witchers is as silly as saying Lara Croft has to be customisable and you should have the chance to play as Lawrence Croft (or whatever name would be given to a male version of Lara). I guess as a woman in her fifties I am much more accepting and for me if a game has a good story I will play it. Yes it's nice to be able to customise a character but it isn't essential for me at the end of the day it's about playing a role in a game and personally I don't mind if that means I play a set character or one I create as long as it's fun and has a good story etc...

 

I'm pretty sure that's just Nathan Drake.

 

That being said, there's no real variability in a given Tomb Raider game.

 

For me, if I can play a drastically different character with drastically different priorities in a given game, and have drastically different outcomes as a result, it's jarring when the character looks identical every time. I think it's unarguably better when each of those characters can have their own distinct face.

 

In any event, it's just a priority for me - difficult to overstate the extent of that. I'll shut up about it now.

[MoonDrummer]

I think TW games wouldn't be the same without Geralt. But I read that Geralt's story was finished in TW3 so they aren't making more games with him, right? I think Ciri could take his place and I'm all for it if it happens! Although I don't know how that would work because she's so damn powerful.

Please no, Ciri is a horrible character. Best thing that can happen is that we never hear from her again. 

[hoechlbear]

Please no, Ciri is a horrible character. Best thing that can happen is that we never hear from her again. 

 

I quite like her. But I think what I enjoyed the most was her relationship with Geralt. I have no idea what she would be like as the protagonist of a new game but I enjoyed the little moments where I played as her.

[MoonDrummer]

I quite like her. But I think what I enjoyed the most was her relationship with Geralt. I have no idea what she would be like as the protagonist of a new game but I enjoyed the little moments where I played as her.

She can't do witcher signs and she doesn't have any witcher senses, so I think, hope and pray she wont be the next Geralt. I was indifferent to her in the games, but after reading the books I hate her guts. 

[hoechlbear]

She can't do witcher signs and she doesn't have any witcher senses, so I think, hope and pray she wont be the next Geralt. I was indifferent to her in the games, but after reading the books I hate her guts. 

 

Yeah, it's a little limited when comparing to Geralt, but I'm sure they would come up with something interesting if they make her the next protagonist. I haven't read the books and I'm not that familiar with the lore but why can't women be witchers? Couldn't she become one? I mean, she's not an ordinary woman after all. Her rate of surviving the trial could be even better than most men.

[chrstnmonks]

I quite like her. But I think what I enjoyed the most was her relationship with Geralt. I have no idea what she would be like as the protagonist of a new game but I enjoyed the little moments where I played as her.

I like her. But I think her powers would have to be scaled back alot. The real question is to me would she be able to stand on her own as a protag. Without the benefit of having Geralt and other cast of characters there? I think she does better has a side character than main protag. 

[TheOgre]

I think it's that this will continue to be a serious point in Bioware's favor, and something that I maintain would have benefited the witcher as well.

I understand why we're playing as Geralt specifically (he's the main character in the books, and that's what CDPR wanted to do. Whatever, fine). I can appreciate why this can't be adopted in the middle of the series. I understand why many players prefer a more predefined character - a stronger central personality can sometimes help in telling a tighter story, and I agree depending on the aim of the game. But I think that the ability to customize your protagonist in a game like this is nothing to scoff at, and is not in opposition to any of the above.

I don't see why we can't have a character with variable appearance and sex who is still predefined to the extent that Geralt is. This is the case in Mass Effect, it is the case in Dragon Age 2. I can think of other games where this is an option too, but they're less applicable to the subject than these. Eminently doable though. I'd like to see CDPR take this approach in future games, in TW's setting and elsewhere.

I liked Hawke, it's a shame so many didn't :/ I think if they do customizable characters, it should be like that. A predefined hero with full blown customization that fit into any gender role.

[chrstnmonks]

Yeah, it's a little limited when comparing to Geralt, but I'm sure they would come up with something interesting if they make her the next protagonist. I haven't read the books and I'm not that familiar with the lore but why can't women be witchers? Couldn't she become one? I mean, she's not an ordinary woman after all. Her rate of surviving the trial could be even better than most men.

As I said I like her. But a prolbem I see with her is she is too much and that maybe some people problems with her. I mean super rare powers, expert swordswoman ,heir to a powerful, empire, extremely beautiful.. Raised in Kaer Morden, etcc etc..   It is a tad much. Almost too much for a side character. It would be way too much for a main protag.IMO. She would have to be scaled back alot.

[MoonDrummer]

Yeah, it's a little limited when comparing to Geralt, but I'm sure they would come up with something interesting if they make her the next protagonist. I haven't read the books and I'm not that familiar with the lore but why can't women be witchers? Couldn't she become one? I mean, she's not an ordinary woman after all. Her rate of surviving the trial could be even better than most men.

Women might be able to become witchers, there haven't been any in the past and the knowledge on how to make new ones has been lost, so we'll never know.