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[FKA_Servo]

They also do their research. Apart from some of the devs being reenactors themselves, I saw a reference to 'Grunwald 2012' among the credits after the game ended. I suspect they attended the 2012 reenactment of the First Battle of Tannenberg (Grunwald in Polish) and made a humongous amount of photographs for The Witcher III.
When it comes to research of this kind Poland is very well-placed anyway; it's one of the main centres of historical reenactment in Europe, with some of the largest events on the entire continent.

 

This is sort of adorable.

[panzerwzh]

Yeah........ Like Geralt hasn't been anything but saint to others his whole life? Don´t be ridiculous. Everybody does mistakes at some point in their lives, but holding on to those mistakes alone and calling people scumbags because of it is just plain childish. Yennefer has done some very stupid things in her life but so is Geralt. That is precisely what true love is about. You maturely accept yours and your partner's stupidity and live as stupid happily ever after.
 
Also You forget that Yennefer precisely brought Geralt to Aedd Gynvael so that she could make her ultimate decision between Geralt and Istredd before any bad blood could be spilled. They were both very important to her at the time and precisely that was the big problem about it.
She didn't exactly PLAN it that Istredd and Geralt would boast about their sex with Yen to each other.

Not to say Geralt run away from her house in Yengerberg without even a proper goodbye! Honestly, Yenna could do better.

[panzerwzh]

Gah... ok :-/

I want CC that makes me create something as beautiful like that on DA4.
Another 1 for you to scribble, Torgette :-)

In the short story 'shard of ice ' in sword of destiny book which is crucial for Ciri as well.

[AmberDragon]

What you have to understand is that Sapkowski's creation was never meant for roleplaying. A lot of literary settings, even if they are more consistent than Sapkowski's creation, are not particularly well-suited for RPG's. They generally lack the kind of detail and sometimes also the internal logic to make them good material for roleplaying.Sapkowski did, apparently, write an RPG, 'Oko Yrrhedesa' (The Eye of Yrrhedes), but I have no idea whether that came with its own setting and whether he would be any good at it. A few things I've read suggest he's somewhat cavalier when it comes to the minutiae of worldbuilding. Lucky for us, CDPR's devs do have an eye for detail.They also do their research. Apart from some of the devs being reenactors themselves, I saw a reference to 'Grunwald 2012' among the credits after the game ended. I suspect they attended the 2012 reenactment of the First Battle of Tannenberg (Grunwald in Polish) and made a humongous amount of photographs for The Witcher III.When it comes to research of this kind Poland is very well-placed anyway; it's one of the main centres of historical reenactment in Europe, with some of the largest events on the entire continent.

I think some of those guys made it into the game, sure I saw some of those faces on troops in the game. Love how the fortifications and towers were the same.

We have reenactments near where I live done by the "Sealed Knot", they recreate battles from the English civil war. There is even a little village which the Sealed Knot people use to take over when I was a kid (not sure if they still do) and they would all sit around in costume and carry out daily life as though they were living in the time of Oliver Cromwell...

[KBomb]

I will say this: Well into my second playthrough and the references to Dudu are still hilarious.

Also, I love how Roach just doesn't give a damn. I see her on my map by the river and she doesn't come until the third call. She might be afraid of level one wolves, but she don't give a **** about Geralt. I adore that horse.

[line_genrou]

Did any of you notice that Blackwall's VA is the VA to a bunch of NPCs in TW3? Cleaver is one of them.

[panzerwzh]

I will say this: Well into my second playthrough and the references to Dudu are still hilarious.

Also, I love how Roach just doesn't give a damn. I see her on my map by the river and she doesn't come until the third call. She might be afraid of level one wolves, but she don't give a **** about Geralt. I adore that horse.

It all depends on Roach's mood really. She could be the "copying ninja" when she is happy.

[Xetykins]

Gosh, one thing for sure what I want to see in Dragon Age is LESS of those over the top phlegm coughing everywhere in poor places. They were funny first few times but eurghhh after a while.

[Das Tentakel]

I think some of those guys made it into the game, sure I saw some of those faces on troops in the game. Love how the fortifications and towers were the same.

We have reenactments near where I live done by the "Sealed Knot", they recreate battles from the English civil war. There is even a little village which the Sealed Knot people use to take over when I was a kid (not sure if they still do) and they would all sit around in costume and carry out daily life as though they were living in the time of Oliver Cromwell...

Oh, about 'real' people popping up in-game, that reminds me:



ALL HAIL KING RADOVID!




My brains must have been taking a hike, but I only just realised that Redania doesn't just use the white Polish eagle as its emblem, but that the whole 'Red (with a bit of white) is for Redania' thing has its origin here .

 

Which reminds me...why is the German imperial eagle (black eagle on yellow) assigned to small and unimportant Lyria?

 

 

'I saw what you did there, Sapkowski!'

[panzerwzh]

Redania is clearly based on Poland while other northern kingdoms could be Lithuania, Czch, Bohemia etc. Order of Flaming Rose clearly resembles the Teutonic Order while Nilfgaard is basically Holy Roman Empire (There was not Germany yet).

[Das Tentakel]

Redania is clearly based on Poland while other northern kingdoms could be Lithuania, Czch, Bohemia etc. Order of Flaming Rose clearly resembles the Teutonic Order while Nilfgaard is basically Holy Roman Empire (There was not Germany yet).

There are no real 1:1 correspondences though. See also this recent article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun: http://www.rockpaper...-retrospective/.

 

 

 

...deep transformation and adaptation have been key. Foltest and Radovid are not direct references to Sobieski or any other monarch, Nilfgaard is not the Ottoman Empire, nor the Soviet, nor any other, the Scoia’tael guerillas are not Home Army fighters, nor, for that matter, are they Apache warriors, and the Order of the Flaming Rose is not the Teutonic Knights,” Pugacz-Muraskiewcz said. “These things are at one and the same time none of their references and all of their references. And that is exactly the nature of resonance.

 

In short, what we see in the Witcherverse are 'mixed echoes' of the Europe-that-was, but not a 1:1 correspondence. In some respects the Nilfgaardians are German-esque, in other respects they are quite different. 

 

Same with the Flaming Rose, which largely does NOT correspond with the old Teutonic Order, apart perhaps from the religious angle.

[panzerwzh]

There are no real 1:1 correspondences though. See also this recent article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun: http://www.rockpaper...-retrospective/.

 

In short, what we see in the Witcherverse are 'mixed echoes' of the Europe-that-was, but not a 1:1 correspondence. In some respects the Nilfgaardians are German-esque, other times they are something very different. 

 

Same with the Flaming Rose, which largely does NOT correspond with the old Teutonic Order, apart perhaps from the religious angle.

Good article, I think order of flaming rose resembles many features from the Teutonic Order/ Templar (military force based on religion zealots) and also used as pawn for monarch's political agenda (crusade/Foltest's non human population control), while witch hunters in TW3 is more similar to Spanish inquisition which serves as a tool for consolidating  Radovid's power. Of course none of them is 1:1 correspondence to certain historical organization.

 

Nifgaard has similar military structure of Imperial Rome legions (Nifgarrdian divisions + auxiliary regiments from conquered regions + Scoia'tael skirmishing groups) while its political structure is more similar to Holy Roman Empire in which powerful duchy/ Prince-elector could effectively assassinated or overthrow the so called emperor.

 

But yes, as summarized in that article:

“These things are at one and the same time none of their references and all of their references. And that is exactly the nature of resonance.”

 

Thats why TW series' world setting is much more "realistic" than Dragon Age series for me.

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[nici2412]

Redania is clearly based on Poland while other northern kingdoms could be Lithuania, Czch, Bohemia etc. Order of Flaming Rose clearly resembles the Teutonic Order while Nilfgaard is basically Holy Roman Empire (There was not Germany yet).

 

Wouldn't say that . Aedirn could be based on Germany. Some cities have german names (Vengerberg, Aldersberg) and Aedirn and the current german flag have the same colours

 

 

 

I think every country in the Witcher world is a mix of different european countries with a strong characteristics from one country.

I would say:

Redania: Poland

Kaedwan: Russia

Temeria: France

Aedirn: Germany

Nilfgaard: Roman Empire (Sapkowski said that the Roman Empire was his inspiration for Nilfgaard)

[panzerwzh]

 

Wouldn't say that . Aedirn could be based on Germany. Some cities have german names (Vengerberg, Aldersberg) and Aedirn and the current german flag have the same colours

 

 

 

I think every country in the Witcher world is a mix of different european countries with a strong characteristics from one country.

I would say:

Redania: Poland

Kaedwan: Russia

Temeria: France

Aedirn: Germany

Nilfgaard: Roman Empire (Sapkowski said that the Roman Empire was his inspiration for Nilfgaard)

 

Not really I would say, Nilfgaardian has tons of german names and place as well while its political structure is more assemble to holy roman empire or early Russia (a union of several powerful tribal leaders/duchies/nobles from similar cultural background to select/support an Emperor instead of succession based on certain blood lines + instabilities of massive newly conquered territories. Hence, Duny's throne/authority as Emperor of Nilfgaard depends on his continuous victory in expending wars. As soon he fails the loose domestic political structure of Nilfgaard would easily back fired (as it did to Duny's father). 

[Das Tentakel]

Not really I would say, Nilfgaardian has tons of german names and place as well while its political structure is more assemble to holy roman empire or early Russia (a union of several powerful tribal leaders/duchies/nobles from similar cultural background to select/support an Emperor instead of succession based on certain blood lines + instabilities of massive newly conquered territories. Hence, Duny's throne/authority as Emperor of Nilfgaard depends on his continuous victory in expending wars. As soon he fails the loose domestic political structure of Nilfgaard would easily back fired (as it did to Duny's father). 

 

Everything in the Witcherverse is mixed up, EVERYTHING. That is why it's impossible to say 'country X is actually real-world / historical country Y in disguise'. It's the same with placenames, personal and family names; they're of mixed linguistic origin in EVERY Witcherverse country.

I mean, Redanian patriot and ex-royal advisor Dijkstra has a Dutch surname. It's so messed up that you can claim everything and nothing for this country here and that country there.

[MoonDrummer]

'I saw what you did there, Sapkowski!'

I find it especially funny that Lyria is always that gets the broken nose in these wars. 

 

Spoiler

Footage of Lyria when they try to provoke Nilfgaard 

 

 

Replaying the Witcher I find it amazing how many references to the books there are, I also find it amazing that before reading the books I didn't notice them or it didn't annoy me. 

[Torgette]

Everything in the Witcherverse is mixed up, EVERYTHING. That is why it's impossible to say 'country X is actually real-world / historical country Y in disguise'. It's the same with placenames, personal and family names; they're of mixed linguistic origin in EVERY Witcherverse country.

I mean, Redanian patriot and ex-royal advisor Dijkstra has a Dutch surname. It's so messed up that you can claim everything and nothing for this country here and that country there.

 

So what you're saying is American teens were responsible for writing the lore of the Witcherverse?

[Das Tentakel]

So what you're saying is American teens were responsible for writing the lore of the Witcherverse?

 

No, by a well-read Polish writer who took a diabolical pleasure in coughing up interesting or unusual names from all over Europe and dropping or combining them left and right. You'll notice the difference immediately when you compare names from North American D&D / D&D derived fantasy and Sapkowski's work / Witcher games.

[panzerwzh]

So what you're saying is American teens were responsible for writing the lore of the Witcherverse?

“These things are at one and the same time none of their references and all of their references. And that is exactly the nature of resonance.”

 

Witcherverse is based on tons of  mythological social and emotional references from Eastern Europe + certain part of Western and middle European/ Slavic and Nordic historical events, mythologies, social customs, value systems and personal emotional experiences (yup Y+G+C is the most well developed family relationship I ever read in fantasy novels). I'm highly doubt teens from any country could carry that out.   

[panzerwzh]

Replaying the Witcher I find it amazing how many references to the books there are, I also find it amazing that before reading the books I didn't notice them or it didn't annoy me. 

Yes, reading ALL novels from TW series really improves the enjoyment from TW PC games to a new level.

[Das Tentakel]

“These things are at one and the same time none of their references and all of their references. And that is exactly the nature of resonance.”

 

Witcherverse is based on tons of  mythological social and emotional references from Eastern Europe + certain part of Western and middle European/ Slavic and Nordic historical events, mythologies, social customs, value systems and personal emotional experiences (yup Y+G+C is the most well developed family relationship I ever read in fantasy novels). I'm highly doubt teens from any country could carry that out.   

 

Sapkowski is a voracious reader and has been around, and you notice that. I also suspect the CDPR writers had some help from various CDPR devs from other parts of Europe when it came to names and some other details.

[panzerwzh]

Sapkowski is a voracious reader and has been around, and you notice that. I also suspect the CDPR writers had some help from various devs from other parts of Europe when it came to names and some other details.

Indeed CDPR's writer team really does amazing job to keep the game and book series as consistent as possible.

 

I'm pretty sure Sapkowski is a historical military nerd like me.  The details he writes is amazing. From illustration of battlefield and war perspective, I would say Sapkowski did a better job than GRRM in ASOIAF.

 

e.g.

...

“No. The Nilfgaardians killed some merchants before we got here.”

“It was not Nilfgaardians.” The dwarf shook his head, looking at the dead bodies with a cold expression. “It was Scoia'tael. Regualr soldiers do not bother to pull their arrows from the corpses. A good tip cost half a crown.”

“He knows what he's talking about,” muttered Milva.

...

[Dread-Reaper]

Here's what the Lead-Writer had to say about some of the Historical Kingdoms that influenced the Kingdoms of the Witcher:

 

Spoiler

Contrary to what current-events watchers might think, Nilfgaard isn’t an analog to an imperialist Russia, or a German empire, in Pugacz-Muraszkiewicz’s view. In terms of the politics of Northern Realms, they are closer to the Tatar and Turkish force that menaced the southern plains of Eastern Europe for centuries. But of course, the partition of Poland and its occupation and political subjugation in the 20th century are all events that resonate throughout the fiction of The Witcher.

Still, there are places that The Witcher is more pointed in its influences.

“Take King Foltest of Temeria,” Pugacz-Muraskiewicz said. “On the surface he’s a strong, bellicose monarch. Underneath, he’s deeply tainted [by a] daughter born of his incestuous union with his own sister, a daughter who at one point threatens his reign. Compare him to Poland’s King John III Sobieski, arguably one of the country’s most impressive rulers, who commanded the forces that lifted the siege of Vienna to end the Ottoman incursion into Europe in the 17th century. At the same time, he married a syphilitic widow, was afflicted himself, and lived with the complications, which were nothing to scoff at.”

 

 

Source - http://www.rockpaper...-retrospective/

[Das Tentakel]

Here's what the Lead-Writer had to say about some of the Historical Kingdoms that influenced the Kingdoms of the Witcher:

 

Spoiler

Contrary to what current-events watchers might think, Nilfgaard isn’t an analog to an imperialist Russia, or a German empire, in Pugacz-Muraszkiewicz’s view. In terms of the politics of Northern Realms, they are closer to the Tatar and Turkish force that menaced the southern plains of Eastern Europe for centuries. But of course, the partition of Poland and its occupation and political subjugation in the 20th century are all events that resonate throughout the fiction of The Witcher.

Still, there are places that The Witcher is more pointed in its influences.

“Take King Foltest of Temeria,” Pugacz-Muraskiewicz said. “On the surface he’s a strong, bellicose monarch. Underneath, he’s deeply tainted [by a] daughter born of his incestuous union with his own sister, a daughter who at one point threatens his reign. Compare him to Poland’s King John III Sobieski, arguably one of the country’s most impressive rulers, who commanded the forces that lifted the siege of Vienna to end the Ottoman incursion into Europe in the 17th century. At the same time, he married a syphilitic widow, was afflicted himself, and lived with the complications, which were nothing to scoff at.”

 

 

Source - http://www.rockpaper...-retrospective/

 

That is Pugacz-Muraskiewicz' personal opinion, however. To be honest I don't exactly recognise Jan Sobieski in Foltest.  Maybe Pugacz-Muraskiewicz linked King Jan's illness with Foltests incest, but I don't know, it's a bit far-fetched. Lots of syphilitic rulers in modern European history...and syphilis and incest are, erm, not exactly comparable...

Moreover, one of the more striking things about King Jan and his French-born wife was that theirs was, health aside, a happy love-match. King Foltest should have been so lucky...

 

Anyway, I think we'll agree that the introduction of syphilitic rulers won't necessarily improve the DA franchise...

Well, at least not without some really good writing...

[panzerwzh]

As for anyone interesting in medieval melee, there are some good examples. It is all about position, formation and pace. TW3 actually does a very good job in simulating 1 man sword fight. In future DA games, bring back the tactical menu and add more approate animation for melee class like fist/sword handle punching, kicking, feet slashing etc. And pls don't add too many crazy effects to turn a warrior/knight into a walking volcano/storm. 

 

Russia vs Ukraine

 

Russia vs USA

 

Conclusion: don't mess with Russia in medieval melee...