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[Saphiron123]

'Dude' the math. When there are scores going to polar extremes, the average is going to be around 5. Even then, the site is notably using invalid data; any results are tainted, especially when there are more scores.

And was not aware that either of our opinions was factual, so what we felt is of no importance. The fact is DAI has Pause and Tac-Cam; TW3 does not. Whether or not we like 'em, or choose to use them or not is subjective.

The average is 5 if 50% of people strongly dislike it and 50% like it. Under most circumstances more will feel one way then the other. Pre-release extreme get washed out in high numbers. And the tac cam doesn't work. Your characters pause on their orders halfway through, it's a watered down broken version of the old cam. Does not count. I love the tac cam, or I did, when it wasn't awful... they ruined it.

In the end though, if you want to argue with the witcher as a superior product, you have to play it. How many posts have you made arguing with a game you refuse to even give a chance to?

You can't have an informed opinion without personal experience, and if you refuse to try it and see what it really has to offer, you have no basis to argue that it's superior to DAI.

[ashwind]

Sense and Witcher sense. This is a design that some; even game reviewers compares to that of DAI. This is however very wrong and many fail to see the thoughts CDPR put into this mechanism.

 

A Witcher has super human senses. They can see, hear and smell like no human can. Thus, the red dots and herbs that pops up on the minimap make sense, it is a representation of how perceptive the Witcher is. When they really concentrate on their senses, they can see even more - the highlight somewhat represents that.

 

Also, Witcher sense is not only useful in highlighting items or tracking in quests, it is also great for exploration and preparation. When you use your Witcher sense, you can see/hear sounds from a great distance. Pay attention and you will be able to tell what enemies lurk ahead - very far ahead. You can tell if its wolves, nekkars, ghouls, drowners, insectoids etc by simply listening to the sounds they make. (Pay attention to the sounds, once you get use to it and start recognizing sounds made by different monsters, you will feel more like a Witcher and more badass  )

 

You can also tell approximate how many are there. This allows you to prepare by applying the right oil or run away. Very helpful when playing Death March difficulty because early on - everything can kill you. At the very least, even if you dont recognize the sound you hear, you are alerted that something lies ahead.

 

Nonsense and Sonar. The Inquisitor however is not a bat nor a dolphin. S/He cant just fart and listen to the echoes of his/her own fart to detect his/her surroundings.

 

Both are in game mechanics to help players locate things easier. Lore wise, one is sensible while the other is nonsense. In game application wise, one is more than an item highlighter, it is a useful Witcher skill. So please dont compare them and say - awww they are the same.

[KBomb]

Sense and Witcher sense. This is a design that some; even game reviewers compares to that of DAI. This is however very wrong and many fail to see the thoughts CDPR put into this mechanism.

A Witcher has super human senses. They can see, hear and smell like no human can. Thus, the red dots and herbs that pops up on the minimap make sense, it is a representation of how perceptive the Witcher is. When they really concentrate on their senses, they can see even more - the highlight somewhat represents that.

Also, Witcher sense is not only useful in highlighting items or tracking in quests, it is also great for exploration and preparation. When you use your Witcher sense, you can see/hear sounds from a great distance. Pay attention and you will be able to tell what enemies lurk ahead - very far ahead. You can tell if its wolves, nekkars, ghouls, drowners, insectoids etc by simply listening to the sounds they make. (Pay attention to the sounds, once you get use to it and start recognizing sounds made by different monsters, you will feel more like a Witcher and more badass )

You can also tell approximate how many are there. This allows you to prepare by applying the right oil or run away. Very helpful when playing Death March difficulty because early on - everything can kill you. At the very least, even if you dont recognize the sound you hear, you are alerted that something lies ahead.

Nonsense and Sonar. The Inquisitor however is not a bat nor a dolphin. S/He cant just fart and listen to the echoes of his/her own fart to detect his/her surroundings.

Both are in game mechanics to help players locate things easier. Lore wise, one is sensible while the other is nonsense. In game application wise, one is more than an item highlighter, it is a useful Witcher skill. So please dont compare them and say - awww they are the same.

Here are my "likes", ashwind. Take them all.

[ashwind]

Here are my "likes", ashwind. Take them all.

 

      LOL

 

thx

[Elhanan]

Sense and Witcher sense. This is a design that some; even game reviewers compares to that of DAI. This is however very wrong and many fail to see the thoughts CDPR put into this mechanism.
 
A Witcher has super human senses. They can see, hear and smell like no human can. Thus, the red dots and herbs that pops up on the minimap make sense, it is a representation of how perceptive the Witcher is. When they really concentrate on their senses, they can see even more - the highlight somewhat represents that.
 
Also, Witcher sense is not only useful in highlighting items or tracking in quests, it is also great for exploration and preparation. When you use your Witcher sense, you can see/hear sounds from a great distance. Pay attention and you will be able to tell what enemies lurk ahead - very far ahead. You can tell if its wolves, nekkars, ghouls, drowners, insectoids etc by simply listening to the sounds they make. (Pay attention to the sounds, once you get use to it and start recognizing sounds made by different monsters, you will feel more like a Witcher and more badass  )
 
You can also tell approximate how many are there. This allows you to prepare by applying the right oil or run away. Very helpful when playing Death March difficulty because early on - everything can kill you. At the very least, even if you dont recognize the sound you hear, you are alerted that something lies ahead.
 
Nonsense and Sonar. The Inquisitor however is not a bat nor a dolphin. S/He cant just fart and listen to the echoes of his/her own fart to detect his/her surroundings.
 
Both are in game mechanics to help players locate things easier. Lore wise, one is sensible while the other is nonsense. In game application wise, one is more than an item highlighter, it is a useful Witcher skill. So please dont compare them and say - awww they are the same.

Both are using perception to find components; both have weaknesses and strengths, and varied ways this is represented in game. Not all that enjoy TW3 agree with the current implementation, and are working to fix it:

[Elhanan]

The average is 5 if 50% of people strongly dislike it and 50% like it. Under most circumstances more will feel one way then the other. Pre-release extreme get washed out in high numbers. And the tac cam doesn't work. Your characters pause on their orders halfway through, it's a watered down broken version of the old cam. Does not count. I love the tac cam, or I did, when it wasn't awful... they ruined it.

In the end though, if you want to argue with the witcher as a superior product, you have to play it. How many posts have you made arguing with a game you refuse to even give a chance to?

You can't have an informed opinion without personal experience, and if you refuse to try it and see what it really has to offer, you have no basis to argue that it's superior to DAI.

Using invalid data to make a valid claim is nonsensical.

Opinions are not facts.

One does not have to experience a burn to know that touching the stove top is a bad idea.

[line_genrou]

They made him look kinda inbred in TW3...

 

I kinda like his looks. It's very unique and his VA is pretty awesome.

[Xetykins]

 
Nonsense and Sonar. The Inquisitor however is not a bat nor a dolphin. S/He cant just fart and listen to the echoes of his/her own fart to detect his/her surrounding

Lol @ this line!

I don't know what Elhanan said, but this is probably the most eloquent answer to his comparison.

Wow.. last night what a rolercoaster ride for me. I let Triss go and even when I did not romance her, the moment kind of hit me. Then did the play for Dudu, and wow Geralt was a bad actor and I chosed the most stupid lines and laughed. Then Dudu did a Ciri... and that was the first time I saw Geralt looking so devastated. He did not even have to say anything but you can see.

I can't remember if DAI had scenes like that, but I want that for the next one.

[Saphiron123]

Using invalid data to make a valid claim is nonsensical.

Opinions are not facts.

One does not have to experience a burn to know that touching the stove top is a bad idea.

The stove example for not playing a game that you're arguing passionately against without any personal experience is pretty silly dude. I would never argue that a movie is better or worse then a movie I'd never seen. Same deal.

And equating not playing a really excellent game to avoiding burning yourself on a stove, in a thread about said game and how it compares to DAI, is borderline insane. I bet you've done more to keep this thread alive then anyone here, and all on the basis of "I dislike this and refuse to try it, so DAI is better". And most of your comments about the game are far from accurate, because you're unwilling to see for yourself.

Look man, if you want to be involved in a thread comparing the two games, give the witcher a try. If you aren't blown away, cool, at least you have an informed opinion... but i bet once you try it, DAI will seem so shallow in comparison that you'll never look at it the same way again.

 I rest my case, I hope one day you'll at least give it a shot and see what you're missing.

[Elhanan]

Meanwhile the Vanilla Geralt is made to use an excessive fishbowl perspective while muffling the sound that should be enhanced from those keen senses. Sounds immersive to me. Personally would use Gopher's fix, and avoid the camera nausea, if I were actually able to play the game.

But since both games have mini-maps and glowing indicators, will be satisfied with the DAI model; still avoid the fishbowl.

[KBomb]

 

Elhanan, on 26 Jul 2015 - 11:38 PM, said:
Both are using perception to find components; both have weaknesses and strengths, and varied ways this is represented in game. Not all that enjoy TW3 agree with the current implementation, and are working to fix it:

 

 

As for this, did you honestly go out to find a mod to prove that a small proportion out there doesn't like witcher senses? Come on, there is no reason in the world why the inquisitor should be able to use a mechanic like that, geralt actually uses his to hear monsters at a distance and follow scent trails and foot prints.

Geralt's makes sense within the lore. DAI shoehorned it in for no reason except to make plants highlight on your minimap.

Look man, if you want to be involved in a thread comparing the two games, give the witcher a try. If you aren't blown away, cool, at least you have an informed opinion... but i bet once you try it, DAI will seem so shallow in comparison that you'll never look at it the same way again.

Well, here I was thinking that ashwind had made an excellent post with some excellent points, but now that I know there are some who don't like how Geralt uses his senses and are looking to mod it---that ashwind's thoughts are invalid. 

 

I shall take comfort in the knowledge that Elhanan's logic renders his own perceptions fallacious of how wonderful DAI is (because there are those who don't like it)and take hope that he will now spend his time hunting down those who mod DAI to tell them which mods they should release to perfect it.

[Corto81]

Meanwhile the Vanilla Geralt is made to use an excessive fishbowl perspective while muffling the sound that should be enhanced from those keen senses. Sounds immersive to me. Personally would use Gopher's fix, and avoid the camera nausea, if I were actually able to play the game.

But since both games have mini-maps and glowing indicators, will be satisfied with the DAI model; still avoid the fishbowl.

 

I love Gopher but he HASN'T PLAYED THE GAME YET.

 

You don't need witcher sense and you don't need the mini map to see what stuff is harvestable. The plants actually look like in real life and you can SEE THEM VERY EASILY.

 

Also, you only need to create a potion or concoction or bomb ONCE. After that alcohol is used to replenish your potions and concoctions.

...

 

Dude. You're a guy who HASN'T PLAYED THE GAME using a LP video of a dude who's JUST BEGUN PLAYING THE GAME (and already realized he was pointlessly worrying about harvesting by his 2nd playthrough video).

 

...

I must say that I find the amount of time and effort you've spent on arguing on a game you haven't played yet pretty hilarious.

[ashwind]

Both are using perception to find components; both have weaknesses and strengths, and varied ways this is represented in game. Not all that enjoy TW3 agree with the current implementation, and are working to fix it:

 

Lemme try to explain what this video is actually complaining about.

 

- The author acknowledges that Witcher sense make sense and that is how it is suppose to be. He does not like how it is being presented and implemented.

 

- Blur, Motion Blur. Some people simply dont like it or will get dizzy. This is a design choice on CDPR's behalf and I suppose we can tell CDPR that they should have allowed people to add a UI control to set Witcher Sense blur effects off.

 

- Hard to detect bushes. Well, the bushes already pops up in the minimap. Why does one complain about Witcher sense then? Because some people want to play it without the minimap. This has nothing to do with Witcher sense. If they wanted you to "sense" bushes, they would not have had it automatically show on the minimap. This is however his choice.

 

All the above does not take away from Witcher Sense. The complains are about personal preferences. Not complaining about how illogical the mechanism is. Even before TW3, people are complaining about the sonar pulse and how pathetic a mechanism it is.

 

Edit

As Corto81 states: We can see the bushes perfectly fine. Some can even identify what herbs they are by just looking at them from afar. Nobody needs Witcher Sense to find components. Heck in TW3 we dont even need to actively look for components. Witcher Sense is mostly use to investigate things.

 

Just look at the comment section and read the replies. He does not know the game well enough yet.

[KBomb]

Lemme try to explain what this video is actually complaining about.

 

- The author acknowledges that Witcher sense make sense and that is how it is suppose to be. He does not like how it is being presented and implemented.

 

- Blur, Motion Blur. Some people simply dont like it or will get dizzy. This is a design choice on CDPR's behalf and I suppose we can tell CDPR that they should have allowed people to add a UI control to set Witcher Sense blur effects off.

 

- Hard to detect bushes. Well, the bushes already pops up in the minimap. Why does one complain about Witcher sense then? Because some people want to play it without the minimap. This has nothing to do with Witcher sense. If they wanted you to "sense" bushes, they would not have had it automatically show on the minimap. This is however his choice.

 

All the above does not take away from Witcher Sense. The complains are about personal preferences. Not complaining about how illogical the mechanism is. Even before TW3, people are complaining about the sonar pulse and how pathetic a mechanism it is.

 

Edit

As Corto81 states: We can see the bushes perfectly fine. Some can even identify what herbs they are by just looking at them from afar. Nobody needs Witcher Sense to find components. Heck in TW3 we dont even need to actively look for components. Witcher Sense is mostly use to investigate things.

 

Just look at the comment section and read the replies. He does not know the game well enough yet.

Gah, the subtitles on that video are atrocious, but did he really complain about bushes being hard to detect? lolwut. 

[Scarlet Wings 92]

What exactly do these free DLC entail? I get the "cosmetic" part, but does that mean just a few sets of armor? Some different colors? What is it exactly?

Cosmetics, weapons, armour and small side quests are all free. the only DLC in Witcher 3 that you have to pay for to get are 10 to 20 hours of extra gameplay each and within a reasonable price.

[Corto81]

Gah, the subtitles on that video are atrocious, but did he really complain about bushes being hard to detect? lolwut. 

 

Not really, he hasn't played the game long enough to realize you can simply spot them by looking at the game.

You don't need witcher sense or mini map, and fairly early on, you'll be able to tell which plants are which because they look like they do in real life.

That is what the comments are explaining to him and that is what he's taken into account for his 2nd "let's play" video.

Basically, witcher sense is meant for you to investigate crime scenes and secrets.

 

To sum up, Elhan's post is - as most of his posts are - based on limited information that comes from not actually playing the game and then seeing a (wrong) impression of someone's who's barely played the game.

TBH, his line of cherry picking stuff that supports his existing opinion and ignoring everything else - despite NOT HAVING PLAYED THE GAME has just dawned on me lol. Now I understand why most of you call him a troll or have him on ignore.

 

This mountain... Trolly mountain!

 

........

 

As for DLCs, so far we've had:

4 armor sets (one of which includes a Scavenger hunt for it, that one also has weapons)

3 alternative looks for NPCs

4 quests (and I've liked every one of them tbh)

1 adds more finishers

1 adds alternative Gwent cards

1 Hair and Beard (barber)

1 crossbows

 

Last DLCs will likely be announced today, most are hoping it's NG+, but who knows...

[ashwind]

Gah, the subtitles on that video are atrocious, but did he really complain about bushes being hard to detect? lolwut. 

 

Someone recommended that he played the game without the minimap. So he explains that with Witcher sense, sometimes you need to be pretty close to a bush for it to be highlighted - which is true. Hence not effective. Although he also said that bushes automatically show up in the minimap and it made sense since Geralt is a Witcher.

 

I doubt he has gotten far into the game because I am under the impression that he thinks that he will need to do a lot of collecting.

[ashwind]

Not really, he hasn't played the game long enough to realize you can simply spot them by looking at the game.

You don't need witcher sense or mini map, and fairly early on, you'll be able to tell which plants are which because they look like they do in real life.

That is what the comments are explaining to him and that is what he's taken into account for his 2nd "let's play" video.

Basically, witcher sense is meant for you to investigate crime scenes and secrets.

 

To sum up, Elhan's post is - as most of his posts are - based on limited information that comes from not actually playing the game and then seeing a (wrong) impression of someone's who's barely played the game.

TBH, his line of cherry picking stuff that supports his existing opinion and ignoring everything else - despite NOT HAVING PLAYED THE GAME has just dawned on me lol. Now I understand why most of you call him a troll or have him on ignore.

 

This mountain... Trolly mountain!

 

 No badthing say troll about! Witcher good troll to! 

 

     The trolls in TW3... ah they are adorable. I think I have killed... 2 or 3 maybe but that is only when they leave me with no option. I dont want to kill them.

[Xetykins]

I wonder if Elhanan is scouring the web for anything he can use against TW3 for his free time.

Not a lot of those out there but I found a perfect one for him.

"Angry Review" The Witcher 3 Sucks ? GOTY MY ASS.…:

[Ryzaki]

I don't get it.

 

One can acknowledge something's a really good game while admitting it's not for them? Witcher 3's a great game. It's not for me but it's a great game.

 

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that?

 

That said I really would like it if BW stuck to their character strengths because their main plots have always been **** relying on plot dumb and contrivances you can drive a train through (even my favorite Jade Empire got pretty wait...what? But it was at least interesting enough that I was willing to brush it aside) and I say that as someone who's been on their boards since I've been playing JE on box.  BW stories being bad is nothing new. It being disney is nothing new. And those acting like "oh BW's been changed they've gotten so PC" just make me think "Have you just gotten on this ride?"

[Corto81]

I don't get it.

 

One can acknowledge something's a really good game while admitting it's not for them? Witcher 3's a great game. It's not for me but it's a great game.

 

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that?

 

Absolutely nothing.

By all accounts, and from impressions my friends told me, Deus EX:HR is a wonderful game with definite artistic integrity to it.

It's just not for me. It likely is a great game (I believe those people), but it's not for me.

(which is how I see your posts... I can disagree with them, but at least I can see where you're coming from)

 

But Elahananan.... Arguing about it despite not playing it, where his arguments is just non-fact based rhetoric gets tiresome.

He has very limited information (or none at all) because HE HASN'T PLAYED THE GAME and yet he spews ignorant dribble 10 times a day in this thread.

 

I don't even understand why.

Why would you not even try the game in the first place? (no pause? really? that's your reason? whatever...)

Or why would you be so against a game you haven't even tried and you know next to nothing about?

 

Trolly mountain indeed.

[Xetykins]

I don't get it.

One can acknowledge something's a really good game while admitting it's not for them? Witcher 3's a great game. It's not for me but it's a great game.

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that?

Absolutely nothing. But when one argues vigorously about the deeper mechanics and demonize a game he has not and have no intention of playing, then something is horribly wrong.

[Ryzaki]

Absolutely nothing.

By all account, and from impressions my friends told me, Deus EX:HR is a wonderful game with definite artistic integrity to it.

It's just not for me. It likely is a great game (I believe those people), but it's not for me.

 

But arguing about it despite not playing it, where his arguments is just non-face based rhetoric gets tiresome.

He has very limited information (or none at all) because HE HASN'T PLAYED THE GAME

 

I could only play that game with cheats. I loved everything about that game but the combat. I gave myself infinite stealth and had a damn blast. Then I had to fight the boss. =/

 

Reminds me of arguing with people slagging the rivalrymances when they hadn't even done them. Fun times. Fun times.

 

And yeah I think another reason is Witcher felt too solitary for me. I was able to get through Deus Ex because you get Pritchard complaining at you through the Comm a lot it gives that feeling of having someone with you even if they're not there. I hate feeling like my PC is alone in the gameworld that plus most people that weren't sorceress or main characters calling him monster and **** and I couldn't even go on a murder spree. Screw that. I mean I get it that's the point but that was just another tick in the long list of not for me list. **** give a dog like fallout 4. Give me something so I'm not wandering the giant map talking to myself in the middle of the worlds looting corpses. That's horrible.

[Xetykins]

I could only play that game with cheats. I loved everything about that game but the combat. I gave myself infinite stealth and had a damn blast. Then I had to fight the boss. =/
 
Reminds me of arguing with people slagging the rivalrymances when they hadn't even done them. Fun times. Fun times.
 
And yeah I think another reason is Witcher felt too solitary for me. I was able to get through Deus Ex because you get Pritchard complaining at you through the Comm a lot it gives that feeling of having someone with you even if they're not there. I hate feeling like my PC is alone in the gameworld that plus most people that weren't sorceress or main characters calling him monster and **** and I couldn't even go on a murder spree. Screw that. I mean I get it that's the point but that was just another tick in the long list of not for me list. **** give a dog like fallout 4. Give me something so I'm not wandering the giant map talking to myself in the middle of the worlds looting corpses. That's horrible.

Well at least you tried, and seen what you do and don't like first hand. That's the reason why your comments were not met with bare fangs

[KBomb]

I don't get it.

 

One can acknowledge something's a really good game while admitting it's not for them? Witcher 3's a great game. It's not for me but it's a great game.

 

I don't see what's wrong with admitting that?

 

That said I really would like it if BW stuck to their character strengths because their main plots have always been **** relying on plot dumb and contrivances you can drive a train through (even my favorite Jade Empire got pretty wait...what? But it was at least interesting enough that I was willing to brush it aside) and I say that as someone who's been on their boards since I've been playing JE on box.  BW stories being bad is nothing new. It being disney is nothing new. And those acting like "oh BW's been changed they've gotten so PC" just make me think "Have you just gotten on this ride?"

Is that what he's been doing? Odd.

 

Spoiler

At first, I debated things with him because he seemed rather polite, even if some of his claims that DAI had the exact same things as TW3 were somewhat peculiar(like for instance when I pointed out TW3 had lots of domesticated animals that made farmsteads seem alive and he stated that Dragon Age had animals too, you just couldn't see them because they weren't put into the game)  or when he called the game vular and putrid. Yet, he was polite. However, I noticed the more people proved him wrong, the more condescending and insulting he became. Even when people were discussing a great feature without comparing it to DAI, he would reply with some sardonic reply and repeat over and over how he'll never play this game. He takes any criticism of DA personally and treats it as if he is being insulted.

 

This thread is full of people who say TW3isn't for them, or say that they like DAI better, yet they are polite and respect opinions that differ from their own. If you go and find those posts, you'd see they were welcomed and included in a multitude of discussions and even some camaraderie. Heck, I have seen some who came into the thread not having touched TW3, but because of discussions with some of us, decided to give a try and ended up loving it, or at least trying it.