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Really? I am on Xbox One and I haven't seen any arrow. The only thing that I get is some vibration and the yellow rings pulse more when in the general vicinity. That's it. What system are you on?

 

XBox One. It's a boomerang-shaped arrow that blinks twice.



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Lmao, are we serious here?

 

Bioware's character design and writing demolishes all of them any time. 

 

Witcher has better hair, I will give him that. 

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XBox One. It's a boomerang-shaped arrow that blinks twice.


How very odd. Did this come with a patch? Could it be a bug for me? I know that they implemented a better search thing in one of the patches and sometimes it still doesn't work for me. If it is a bug, do you think uninstalling the game and reinstalling it will help?

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Lmao, are we serious here?
 
Bioware's character design and writing demolishes all of them any time. 
 
Witcher has better hair, I will give him that.

 

So, got anything constructive to add to the discussion, perhaps an elaboration or did you just typed that to provoke some kind of response? :huh:


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How very odd. Did this come with a patch? Could it be a bug for me? I know that they implemented a better search thing in one of the patches and sometimes it still doesn't work for me. If it is a bug, do you think uninstalling the game and reinstalling it will help?

 

I've always had them. They weren't patched in.

 

Here, go to 2:20 of this video. The arrows show up when the Inquisitor searches Vicinius' chamber. (In this case there are multiple arrows because here are multiple objects to find.)

 

 

I'd recommend checking your options. It might be a feature you have turned off.



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How about random encounters? Wolves vs wolves etc?

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I've always had them. They weren't patched in.

Here, go to 2:20 of this video. The arrows show up when the Inquisitor searches Vicinius' chamber. (In this case there are multiple arrows because here are multiple objects to find.)



I'd recommend checking your options. It might be a feature you have turned off.


No, it doesn't do that for me. As far as I know, it never has. I don't recall seeing anything in options about it, but I will certainly check when I can get around to it. As I said, the search thing has always been funky for me. If there isn't anything in options for it, I have no idea how to go about fixing it. It's been an issue for me and I complained about it before on different threads-- even when the game first came out. Now, perhaps I can hunt down a fix for it. So, thank you so much for pointing it out!

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Lmao, are we serious here?

 

Bioware's character design and writing demolishes all of them any time. 

 

Witcher has better hair, I will give him that. 

 

One thing I WILL always say in support of CDPR is that my Skyrim game is full up with modded TW armor, because I think their aesthetic is killer.

 

TW1 was ugly as sin, but that's something they certainly rectified going forward.


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Yeah, I heard a lot of people call the hardest Witcher difficulty dodge to win

 

The funniest thing? I still cannot figure out how parry works, for some reason it always fails for me, and I have no issues with hardest difficulty anyway, dodging really is enough, even when faced by multiple enemies ;)



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So, got anything constructive to add to the discussion, perhaps an elaboration or did you just typed that to provoke some kind of response? :huh:

 

I was giving my opinion here, like anyone else. It seems I got your attention. I wonder why...  -_-

 

Do you deny the superiority of Bioware's writing? As TommyServo said, my Skyrim game was also full of ported witcher meshes -armors and hairstyles, mostly- because the design is really good and that's a point for CDPR. Writing is not their strongest trait, that's Bioware's game. 

 

Is it really up for debate? One could say "I like 50 shades of grey more than Shakespeare" but that doesn't change the fact that Shakespeare IS and WILL BE eternally superior to 50 shades... because there ARE quality standards.

 

Look I like many trashy things, like smutty fanfics, yes. I do looooove my smutty fics. The thing is that I realize they are objectively TRASH and I don't try to deny it. I don't take any offense either because reading smutty fics doesn't make ME trash. 

 

So don't get offended when I say Bioware's writing is vastly superior. Period.



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I was giving my opinion here, like anyone else. It seems I got your attention. I wonder why...  -_-

 

Do you deny the superiority of Bioware's writing? As TommyServo said, my Skyrim game was also full of ported witcher meshes -armors and hairstyles, mostly- because the design is really good and that's a point for CDPR. Writing is not their strongest trait, that's Bioware's game. 

 

Their flair for the dramatic in dialogue is noted, however, this doesn't address the substantive content of that writing or general themes, which is problematic for all kinds of reasons that do not affect The Witcher. Taken all the variables in the aggregate (not just whatever ones we personally want to focus on most), the TW offers better entertainment.

 

Although I'm going to go ahead and guess that your counter-point to that it is all irredeemably subjective or something.



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I was giving my opinion here, like anyone else. It seems I got your attention. I wonder why...  -_-

 

Do you deny the superiority of Bioware's writing? As TommyServo said, my Skyrim game was also full of ported witcher meshes -armors and hairstyles, mostly- because the design is really good and that's a point for CDPR. Writing is not their strongest trait, that's Bioware's game. 

I think he's wondering if you could elaborate on how it is that you find Bioware's writing than CDPR's.  It's kinda like saying you like one picture over another.  It may be possible to explain what it is in the picture you find more attractive and better to you than the other.


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You had a lot more options to be an A hole in DAO than in DAI. "No it didn't". Just because you stop a blight doesn't mean you did so through heroics. Sacrificing Alistair, or using a child as a sacrifice. Pfft.

To sacrifice Alistair and take his throne is an heroic things to do,do an US or a DR for his sake is stupid.
After All is not my fault if the child was stupid enough to want Loghain dead at any cost, he have acquired his revenge and now i demand that He pay the Ultimate price, i will never sacrifice my warden for a moron like him,also i do not wish to make weirdo experiment on an unborn child, so Loghain is the best option but if he died to fulfill Alistair selfish desire my Warden do not feel any sense of guilt when he decide to sacrifice him.
If you sacrifice Alistair or Loghain you are not an  A hole, both of them deserve to die.


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I was giving my opinion here, like anyone else. It seems I got your attention. I wonder why...  -_-

 

Do you deny the superiority of Bioware's writing? As TommyServo said, my Skyrim game was also full of ported witcher meshes -armors and hairstyles, mostly- because the design is really good and that's a point for CDPR. Writing is not their strongest trait, that's Bioware's game. 

 

Why so snippy, scared that people might wanna debate your own opinions? I just responded, given the fact that you charged into this thread with such emotion behind your first post, so I was kinda curious about your reasons.

 

And to be frank, I am not really surprised that you didn't understand my post at all and responded in such way.

 

Why don't actually start using your brain and contribute something meaningful or buzz off and go romance your precious Cole instead?

 

Oh wait. You can't - on both accounts, LOL


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Although I'm going to go ahead and guess that your counter-point to that it is all irredeemably subjective or something.

 

No, that's the point. This is very objective and very universal. There is nothing subjective here. There are in fact rules about quality. That's why it's not up for debate.

 

Hell, this is the basics of any sort of aesthetic criticism. You might enjoy more playing a Witcher game, but that's your personal experience of said game and it's not up for any kind of criticism. But when you are judging two things, you need to set up some rules regarding quality or else the whole thing is gonna be pointless. 

 

I'm not insulting anyone's perception or experience of the Witcher, I'm just stating that Bioware's writing is superior. It's a fact. You can measure these things. 



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Is it really up for debate? One could say "I like 50 shades of grey more than Shakespeare" but that doesn't change the fact that Shakespeare IS and WILL BE eternally superior to 50 shades... because there ARE quality standards.
 
Look I like many trashy things, like smutty fanfics, yes. I do looooove my smutty fics. The thing is that I realize they are objectively TRASH and I don't try to deny it. I don't take any offense either because reading smutty fics doesn't make ME trash. 
 
So don't get offended when I say Bioware's writing is vastly superior. Period.

 
All I asked for was perhaps an elaboration on your stance which would perhaps lead to an interesting discussion about the highs and lows of both Franchises. Instead, what are you basically doing here is stubbornly crossing your arms, while trying to present your opinion as an objective truth and a fact. But you know what? It's okay - because in the end, it's just your opinion. ;)

 

Just curious, but have you actually played the game so you could much such informed comparisons? ;)

 

BTW: And were you seriously comparing Bioware's writing to Shakespeare?



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No, that's the point. This is very objective and very universal. There is nothing subjective here. There are in fact rules about quality. That's why it's not up for debate.

 

Hell, this is the basics of any sort of aesthetic criticism. You might enjoy more playing a Witcher game, but that's your personal experience of said game and it's not up for any kind of criticism. But when you are judging two things, you need to set up some rules regarding quality or else the whole thing is gonna be pointless. 

 

I'm not insulting anyone's perception or experience of the Witcher, I'm just stating that Bioware's writing is superior. It's a fact. You can measure these things. 

 

You didn't understand, I said accepting your point about these rules that favor DA.

 

There is another set of rules if you will, (in addition to the ones you mentioned) the ones that govern the content of the game itself, the world, the characters. You are talking theatrics and pyrotechnics, I'm talking the way the substantial content that is being manipulated by these rules.

 

Which, you can measure that thing, and TW utterly annihilates DA as far as that goes (especially more recent DAs)

 

So you have to say, which one is more fun to play on the whole? Considering all the factors? Tips in favor of The Witcher (both series have their moments).


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And considering RPGs tend to get easier as you go I imagine it'll probably become less difficult. Thanks for letting me know, as I'll probably start out on the highest difficulty (does anyone know if there's a trophy for it?).

 

When I tried to change difficulties in the game for comparison the game outright told me that if I dare to change the difficulty now, some trophies will be lost!

 

Start out on the hardest, by all means, since you can always change it anyway. I recommend learning to dodge (which isn't possible out of combat, sadly, so patience and reloading is initially required) and putting first points in fast attack and spamming Quen.

 

I can sort of see what your saying with a lot of things but again for me that main story being grounded in kind of real people's emotions feelings and not the generic save the world thing is a pretty important difference though still, I just can't really get behind it a lot of the time. Someone like Corypheus I'm like... really? He might as well have just been a generic rogue decepticon busting in your castle.

 

While I agree that so far the main story is grounded in feelings of real people, these real people I couldn't give a damn about. That prevented me from emphathizing with their feelings and caring about the whole rescue operation. I really tried to care for motivations of these main characters, but I couldn't. Geralt? Sorry, not quite, he was shown as merely one of guys who was at Caer Morhen, where's the special connection, trust, love, whatever! The woman and the important dude (avoiding spoilers)? Not at all, their reasons to care are not even stated. And apart from that connection, we're told nothing interesting about these characters to love or hate them. I cared more for the Nilgraardian captain in White Orchard than for them.

 

Everyone is different, though, and I'm happy that you enjoy the main quest presentation in TW3. And hopefully the game will yet prove me wrong by throwing something exciting in and reasons to care for its characters.



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No, that's the point. This is very objective and very universal. There is nothing subjective here. There are in fact rules about quality. That's why it's not up for debate.

Hell, this is the basics of any sort of aesthetic criticism. You might enjoy more playing a Witcher game, but that's your personal experience of said game and it's not up for any kind of criticism. But when you are judging two things, you need to set up some rules regarding quality or else the whole thing is gonna be pointless.

I'm not insulting anyone's perception or experience of the Witcher, I'm just stating that Bioware's writing is superior. It's a fact. You can measure these things.


It isn't a fact. It is your opinion that Bioware is superior when it comes to the writing. And that's okay.

I think they're both pretty damn fantastic. I do think the Witcher excels when it comes to the darkness of war and wrapping the player up in a far more grittier world. They aren't afraid to take chances and coupled with what they put out visually, it draws you in and really makes you see what the underbelly of the situation is like. You dont have to rely on codex to tell you how vile people are and what happens. You see it. You feel it. I don't agree that CDPR writes bland characters either, as some have said. I find them fascinating. That is my opinion.

As I said, I think they're both great. I just think their styles are very different. I consider The Witcher Fantasy Dark and Dragon Age Fantasy Lite. Neither of these things are bad-- just different.
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When I tried to change difficulties in the game for comparison the game outright told me that if I dare to change the difficulty now, some trophies will be lost!

 

Start out on the hardest, by all means, since you can always change it anyway. I recommend learning to dodge (which isn't possible out of combat, sadly, so patience and reloading is initially required) and putting first points in fast attack and spamming Quen.

 

 

While I agree that so far the main story is grounded in feelings of real people, these real people I couldn't give a damn about. That prevented me from emphathizing with their feelings and caring about the whole rescue operation. I really tried to care for motivations of these main characters, but I couldn't. Geralt? Sorry, not quite, he was shown as merely one of guys who was at Caer Morhen, where's the special connection, trust, love, whatever! The woman and the important dude (avoiding spoilers)? Not at all, their reasons to care are not even stated. And apart from that connection, we're told nothing interesting about these characters to love or hate them. I cared more for the Nilgraardian captain in White Orchard than for them.

 

Everyone is different, though, and I'm happy that you enjoy the main quest presentation in TW3. And hopefully the game will yet prove me wrong by throwing something exciting in and reasons to care for its characters.

 

 

I don't know how much I like TW1 and 3 compared to 2 to be totally honest, that may have been the high point, both still come off IMO as really solid though.

 

It's about comparing it back to DA though, like, which companions do you like the most from DA? For example if you don't like Geralt your relevant comparison is just a stand-in PC generic avatar thing, so it's kind of hard to get beaten by nothing in particular....

 

There are protags from other games I like more than Geralt for example, but DA doesn't really have one so...



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I was giving my opinion here, like anyone else. It seems I got your attention. I wonder why...  -_-

 

Do you deny the superiority of Bioware's writing? As TommyServo said, my Skyrim game was also full of ported witcher meshes -armors and hairstyles, mostly- because the design is really good and that's a point for CDPR. Writing is not their strongest trait, that's Bioware's game. 

 

Is it really up for debate? One could say "I like 50 shades of grey more than Shakespeare" but that doesn't change the fact that Shakespeare IS and WILL BE eternally superior to 50 shades... because there ARE quality standards.

 

Look I like many trashy things, like smutty fanfics, yes. I do looooove my smutty fics. The thing is that I realize they are objectively TRASH and I don't try to deny it. I don't take any offense either because reading smutty fics doesn't make ME trash. 

 

So don't get offended when I say Bioware's writing is vastly superior. Period.

I am not offended :), but I disagree.

 

The writing on both games is pretty much equivalent most of the time.

Bioware has better voice actors all around and so, better delivery all around, and they are good at funny and at character fidelity. The Bioware villains can be pretty goofy and sometimes they wonder into exposition territory for a long time, and it is a bit boring (like the SPOILER ALERT scene in the fade in DAI when the "thing" keeps beating around the bushes and being vague).

 

The Witcher 1 is inferior all around (but not 50 shades to shakespeare inferior) but two and three are pretty good. The dialogue in The Witcher is more grounded and I can see one finding it less interesting, but it has its moments of genius, like the Foltest Siege in TW2. TW3 also do not have companions of note and does not have goofy characters like Iron Bull and Sera, but CD Project is very good in writing dubious characters, like the captain of the guard in TW3 (and Vernon Roche in TW2) , that can be nice and a dick without leaving characterization.

 

In any case, at no point during The Witcher series the dialogue and plot goes all ****** up like in Mass Effect 3 - in the beginning with Shepard's caricature speech and in the end, with the Deux Ex Machina. The ending of DA2 is also very contrived plot-wise and it led to some nonsensical dialogue as well.  

 

I would say that generally, Bioware has wit and flow and CD project has consistency and focus. Both styles backfire at times, with Bioware going crazy and CDP going uninteresting.

 

I can see a person preferring one style over the other, or liking both for what they are. But, technically, I do not think it is possible to say one is vastly superior than the other. You are welcome to prove me wrong, though.


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Just to ask, top of my head here, seeing as Witcher 3 officially released yesterday, all these people doing all these detailed comparisons between the two games have already managed to finish both? And if so, then FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY?! Well, anyway, I would ask, if I believed in God. Just a creepy-crawly thought at the back of my head. 

 

I'm personally trying to defend DA:I's good points from people who rush to claim it's a crappy cheap game and that TW3 blows it out of the water.

 

Maybe it's a poor idea. In a couple of months the reactions will be more rational when the whole game would be played through. But it sort of pains me to see how people latch onto the next open world RPG to unfairly bash even those points of DA:I that so far has been done better. It seems that TW3 has become another excuse for people who wanted to bash DA:I to do it, no matter if fair or not.



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I am not offended :), but I disagree.

 

The writing on both games is pretty much equivalent most of the time.

Bioware has better voice actors all around and so, better delivery all around, and they are good at funny and at character fidelity. The Bioware villains can be pretty goofy and sometimes they wonder into exposition territory for a long time, and it is a bit boring (like the SPOILER ALERT scene in the fade in DAI when the "thing" keeps beating around the bushes and being vague).

 

The Witcher 1 is inferior all around (but not 50 shades to shakespeare inferior) but two and three are pretty good. The dialogue in The Witcher is more grounded and I can see one finding it less interesting, but it has its moments of genius, like the Foltest Siege in TW2. TW3 also do not have companions of note and does not have goofy characters like Iron Bull and Sera, but CD Project is very good in writing dubious characters, like the captain of the guard in TW3 (and Vernon Roche in TW2) , that can be nice and a dick without leaving characterization.

 

In any case, at no point during The Witcher series the dialogue and plot goes all ****** up like in Mass Effect 3 - in the beginning with Shepard's caricature speech and in the end, with the Deux Ex Machina. The ending of DA2 is also very contrived plot-wise and it led to some nonsensical dialogue as well.  

 

I would say that generally, Bioware has wit and flow and CD project has consistency and focus. Both styles backfire at times, with Bioware going crazy and CDP going uninteresting.

 

I can see a person preferring one style over the other, or liking both for what they are. But, technically, I do not think it is possible to say one is vastly superior than the other. You are welcome to prove me wrong, though.

 

Technically it is possible, but I'm not going to write everything I said about this issue since it was all the previous pages. I'll just refer you back to them.



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I like the fact that you take into consideration certain degree of objective quality. 

 

All I am saying is that there is good writing and bad writing. This is not an opinion. This is basic, seriously. Bioware is an example of good quality writing and this is not something you can deny. You might dislike their games or certain characters or plots but that's all there is to it. It's not meant to be insulting or disrespectful towards anyone. The Witcher games, on the other hand, have many good qualities (art direction, design....) but writing is NOT their strongest point.



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I'm personally trying to defend DA:I's good points from people who rush to claim it's a crappy cheap game and that TW3 blows it out of the water.

 

Maybe it's a poor idea. In a couple of months the reactions will be more rational when the whole game would be played through. But it sort of pains me to see how people latch onto the next open world RPG to unfairly bash even those points of DA:I that so far has been done better. It seems that TW3 has become another excuse for people who wanted to bash DA:I to do it, no matter if fair or not.

 

To be fair, I did not come to this thread to bash on DA:I or throw it under the bus, the first thing I said/suggested was what Bioware could learn from CD Projekt's TW3. Pretty fair points as you might see, I wanna see them improving not damn them to hell.

 

In the end, all this bickering does not matter and seems rather childish anyway, when devs themselves from both studios are patting each other on the back for the good work done. ;)

 

http://www.gamespot....3/1100-6427465/


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