Nothing what you write makes any sense and you really need to check out what "fact" means. It doesn't make any of your "arguments" or whatever the nonsense you write is called right just because you call it "fact" in every single of your posts. You don't even know on your first playthrough which decisions will determinate the ending (most players won't even know that there are different endings at all), so the snowball fight can't even have any bigger impact from a psychological point of view than any other of the decisions.
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You also don't have any "pratical discussion" if you don't choose the snowball fight. Ciri will just ]get drunk
Though I have no idea why I even respond to someone who has obviously no clue about the game
First, stop trying to assert that I have no clue about the game. It's not working, and borders on an ad hominem fallacy. I have played the game extensively, completed every contract and hit every marker with a high-30s Geralt (37 or 38, can't remember which right now).
Second:
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The alternative to cheering her up is: "Relax, you don’t have to be good at everything", which should lead into a very practical conversation between mentor and student about limitations based on the dialogue choice. That's what is indicated. Therefore, choosing that option is still choosing to try and have a conversation, instead of playing around.
Third, this:
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If you make the "negative" choice as Ciri's mentor to have a practical discussion instead of wadding up snow and throwing it at each other, then you're dealing with a negative variable in your decision making from thereon out. You're not allowed to make two other negative decisions out of the four, only one, else Ciri loses her confidence. The snowball fight, which happens at the beginning of the chain of decisions, sways the rest of your options. Therefore, it heavily impacts the ending you get.
Saying I'm "obsessed" with the snowball fight doesn't change those facts.
Is still 100% accurate, explicitly laid out in the ending guide.
I'll bow out since you guys seem to want to avoid this touchy topic, but try not to resort to hostility next time someone introduces a valid negative point.
The thing with that is that it doesn't resemble actual gameplay... I'd prefer something other than an FMV. Cool trailer still, but needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
The thing with that is that it doesn't resemble actual gameplay... I'd prefer something other than an FMV. Cool trailer still, but needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Sure, it's a cinematic trailer. But it's amazingly well done.
Are you talking about the one in Emerald Graves ? I loved that one... Creepy as hell, but it seemed a lot more developped than some of the other stuff. Maybe not another haunted house, but a sidequest like that would be a welcome addition to the fetching side quests of endless shards and whatnot - which everyone seems to hate as established in this topic
No. A TW3 contract im doing right now. I've been hanging on the entrance for a while now looking stupid. Yeah the one in Emerald Graves was freaky too, but at least Ive got my companions with me. Here... its ME and ME againts the ghosts.
No. A TW3 contract im doing right now. I've been hanging on the entrance for a while now looking stupid. Yeah the one in Emerald Graves was freaky too, but at least Ive got my companions with me. Here... its ME and ME againts the ghosts.
That quest in the Emerald Graves was really disappointing to me because basically all you do is read notes and then some demons show up at the end, you kill them and the quest is suddenly over. Did we even fight the girl that summoned the demons as an abomination? That would've been cool and shocking.
The pacing was not good, the atmosphere was not creepy enough, too much reading and not showing and an abrupt end.
As usual, a good idea but the presentation was bad.
One thing that TW3 and DAI needs to stop doing are those frriggin =$*&@&#&# haunted houses! Nothing creeps me out than going inside one.
I have to admit I don't mind the haunted houses, I find them fun and in the case of TW3 there is usually a lot of good loot to pick up too.
As for the new dlc for DAI it looks good but I will wait to find out if it is a good story based dlc without a shed load of fetch quests or if it's more highly priced fetching and jumping before I even consider buying it.
Edit: I know it's silly but the thing that does give me pause even in games is heights, like in TW3 when you are on top of mountains looking down or Assassin's Creed climbing towers, just for a few seconds my pulse pounds as if one wrong move would actually kill me personally as opposed to the game character. LOL dumb isn't it. LOL
Ah but you see, and do correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me you wanted to criticize the plot of Witcher 3 by massively simplifying it, forgetting about the last third of the game, and completely putting aside all the complex relations and stories that are given to the player. Yes, 2/3 of the game is indeed about looking for a "princess" (though you are looking for her because she is your daughter so that does kind of negate the princess part) but it is the way it is told that makes the story special.
A poem about a flower is terribly generic as a theme, but a skilled poet will be able to give it a twist and the way he will tell the poem can make it great.
First, stop trying to assert that I have no clue about the game. It's not working, and borders on an ad hominem fallacy. I have played the game extensively, completed every contract and hit every marker with a high-30s Geralt (37 or 38, can't remember which right now).
That doesn't make it better.
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The alternative to cheering her up is: "Relax, you don’t have to be good at everything", which should lead into a very practical conversation between mentor and student about limitations based on the dialogue choice. That's what is indicated. Therefore, choosing that option is still choosing to try and have a conversation, instead of playing around.
Except that Geralt and Ciri don't have a mentor/student relationship. Not anymore since she left Kaer Morhen when she was 13. And even during this time the father/daughter relation was the focus. A "pratical discussion" would have lead to nothing at this point
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Vesemir just died. Ciri was sad, furious and stubborn. She would have just blocked every attempt from Geralt to reach her. Avallac'h tried it with rational arguments but it didn't work. That's just not Ciri'S personality and Geralt knows this. What would the "pratical conversation" have been about anyway? She didn't do anything wrong. Her behaviour was perfectly reasonable given the circumstances. She just needed something to lighten her up. Something to make her forget all her problems for one moment and realize that not everything that happens is miserable. The snowball fight was that moment. She was happy for a few minutes and that gave her the strenght to continue with her training. Geralt behaved like a father in that moment and the main topic of the game is Geralt's and Ciri's father/daughter relationship. A mentor/student relation never played any role in the game. Maybe you are confusing Geralt with Avallac'h?
Is still 100% accurate, explicitly laid out in the ending guide.
I'll bow out since you guys seem to want to avoid this touchy topic, but try not to resort to hostility next time someone introduces a valid negative point.
I don't think anybody want's to avoid anything. The problem is rather that nobody understands what you are trying to say.
I don't think anybody understands it. Not that I care though. The snowball fight is one of the most beautiful scenes in the game. I'm actually glad that they chose the approach that rather small and seemingly unimportant choices decide the ending.
The one thing that can be criticized about this decision is that they are not clearly formulated. You just don't know that Geralt will start a snowball fight when you choose that option.
Yes, at least CDPR don't have to color binding their choices for player to decide which is paragon or renegade.
The alternative to cheering her up is: "Relax, you don’t have to be good at everything", which should lead into a very practical conversation between mentor and student about limitations based on the dialogue choice. That's what is indicated. Therefore, choosing that option is still choosing to try and have a conversation, instead of playing around.
Ahh, so this is what it's about? You seem to be focusing on the snowball fight because you don't agree that it's considered as the best choice so you think it's ridiculous that it can even have an impact on the ending. The snowball fight is so much more than just playing around, if you can't see past that, then I don't know what else to tell you.
But I'll quote this:
Except that Geralt and Ciri don't have a mentor/student relationship. Not anymore since she left Kaer Morhen when she was 13. And even during this time the father/daughter relation was the focus. A "pratical discussion" would have lead to nothing at this point
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Vesemir just died. Ciri was sad, furious and stubborn. She would have just blocked every attempt from Geralt to reach her. Avallac'h tried it with rational arguments but it didn't work. That's just not Ciri'S personality and Geralt knows this. What would the "pratical conversation" have been about anyway? She didn't do anything wrong. Her behaviour was perfectly reasonable given the circumstances. She just needed something to lighten her up. Something to make her forget all her problems for one moment and realize that not everything that happens is miserable. The snowball fight was that moment. She was happy for a few minutes and that gave her the strenght to continue with her training. Geralt behaved like a father in that moment and the main topic of the game is Geralt's and Ciri's father/daughter relationship. A mentor/student relation never played any role in the game. Maybe you are confusing Geralt with Avallac'h?
Considering your assertion was that I didn't know what I was talking about, that information should make it better.
Unless you really were trying to just discredit me with a false accusation.
I don't think anybody want's to avoid anything. The problem is rather that nobody understands what you are trying to say.
It's incredibly simple, so I don't think that's the case.
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The ending is heavily determined by the snowball fight. Choosing to actually have a discussion with Ciri, who was indeed your student, instead of "cheering her up" and hurling snow at her either limits all other choices going forward or straight-up earns you the fail-state ending. This is objective and covered very plainly in the ending guide.
Good advise for dealing with snow ball fight fanatic.
Hey, you guys can keep saying that and pushing me around, and I can keep pointing to the game's mechanics that prove me right.
Ahh, so this is what it's about? You seem to be focusing on the snowball fight because you don't agree that it's considered as the best choice so you think it's ridiculous that it can even have an impact on the ending. The snowball fight is so much more than just playing around, if you can't see past that, then I don't know what else to tell you.
Never said any of those things (strawman). Only stated a very simple fact about the sequence.
I do kinda think you shouldn't be dinged for wanting to have a substantial talk instead of a "cheer-up" session, though.
Regarding TW3 endings conditions. Honestly it didnt feel good, tis a bit too close to home. Speaking from a father's perspective.
While some see them as a sequence of test and decision, I feel like I am battling CDPR on the subject of parenting and the outcome largely boils down to what sort of parent u r.
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Over protective, not giving the child enough room to come to their own equal bad things. It made me think, it has its truths but I dont fully agree with CDPR.
Brats needs spanking and guidance too. They r telling me to spoil them >:-(
Considering your assertion was that I didn't know what I was talking about, that information should make it better.
Unless you really were trying to just discredit me with a false accusation.
At least not having played the game would have given you an excuse. Now it seems you just didn't pay much attention to important parts of the game.
The ending is heavily determined by the snowball fight
Not more than by any other of the decisions.
Choosing to actually have a discussion with Ciri, who was indeed your student
I explained it in my previous post, so I will make it short. A student/mentor relation was never important.Neither in the books nor in the games. Geralt actually even mentioned that he only let her train in Kaer Morhen, because he didn't know what else to do with her. Their relationship was always about Geralt trying to protect her and Ciri about getting a family and people who love her, after she lost pretty much everybody. Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri found in each other what they seeked for a long time.
instead of "cheering her up" and hurling snow at her
Your choice of words tell me that you completely fail to understand what the snowball fight was about and refused to read most of my post
either limits all other choices going forward or straight-up earns you the fail-state ending. This is objective and covered very plainly in the ending guide.
Again. It doesn't limit any of the other choices because you don't know which choice will affect the ending or that any choice will affect it at all.
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Regarding TW3 endings conditions. Honestly it didnt feel good, tis a bit too close to home. Speaking from a father's perspective.
While some see them as a sequence of test and decision, I feel like I am battling CDPR on the subject of parenting and the outcome largely boils down to what sort of parent u r.
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Over protective, not giving the child enough room to come to their own equal bad things. It made me think, it has its truths but I dont fully agree with CDPR.
Brats needs spanking and guidance too. They r telling me to spoil them >:-(
Don't be too protective is good advice for parenting I recon.
Regarding TW3 endings conditions. Honestly it didnt feel good, tis a bit too close to home. Speaking from a father's perspective.
While some see them as a sequence of test and decision, I feel like I am battling CDPR on the subject of parenting and the outcome largely boils down to what sort of parent u r.
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Over protective, not giving the child enough room to come to their own equal bad things. It made me think, it has its truths but I dont fully agree with CDPR.
Brats needs spanking and guidance too. They r telling me to spoil them >:-(
Indeed. That's why I said in the first place that some of those decisions really targets your moral compass. But some people really would rather belittle that.
dreamgazer, on 05 Aug 2015 - 6:54 PM, said:
First, stop trying to assert that I have no clue about the game. It's not working, and borders on an ad hominem fallacy. I have played the game extensively, completed every contract and hit every marker with a high-30s Geralt (37 or 38, can't remember which right now).
Oh, I don't doubt you played the game--I doubt your motives and eagerness to sum up an entire relationship into one single phrase or instance ( which can be said for a lot of crucial plot points in nearly any game) just to offer a "valid, negative point" for constructive purposes. As I said, this can be said for a lot of games, like a Bioware game. After all...
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Leliana, a character who has been in every single Dragon Age game and even had her own dlc, a personality that has been honed over through decisions and relationships--can have her entire personality altered with one single phrase in the very beginning of the game with absolutely no backstory or warning, thereof.
Herald: Yeah, Leliana. Go ahead and kill that douche for getting your agents killed. I don't blame you. He could ruin our whole operation here. Do what you gotta do for the greater good. Thumbs up, sister."
Nearly entire game later.....
Leliana: *slices sister's throat* "See what you made me do, Inquisitor! Back when I didn't even know you, you agreed with me and now look! It had to be done. Thanks, a lot."
I mean, no matter what you do after, that bit of weird comment changed the entire course of who Leilana becomes.
At least there is some backstory to the decisions you make with Ciri. You know that you're shaping what she is to become with the decisions you make as a father--and not just a witcher.
It happens. Anyone can oversimplify anything if they ignore context and symbolism and regard. However, I acknowledge that complaint as valid in the fact that it obviously bothers you. That is how you perceive it to be. Just as how my complaint with the spoiler above is valid because it was a "Wtf, where did I go wrong." moment that happened when I had no idea in what context that would even be considered. So, yeah. To you and maybe some others, that is a valid complaint.
It's probably not a good idea to say, "I was pointing out something valid, guys and you choose to ignore it because you're fanboys." That juicy little implication is what gets the feathers ruffled, not to mention the little screenie you popped in, but I think you know that and deflected accordingly.
I won't address the Mario thing because it's beyond ridiculous and is meant to be childish poking.
I would love to hear your thoughts on what Dragon Age can learn from The Witcher 3, or even vice versa...What do you think CDPR can learn from Bioware? There isn't a need to fight amongst ourselves.
There is always a need for spoiler tags, so please use them people.
At least not having played the game would have given you an excuse. Now it seems you just didn't pay much attention to important parts of the game.
Why? Because I'm not swooning over the paternal catharsis and stress release in my posts?
Not more than by any other of the decisions.
Never said it was more important. Only that the ending is, indeed, heavily determined by it.
Especially since it occurs first.
I explained it in my previous post, so I will make it short. A student/mentor relation was never important.Neither in the books nor in the games. Geralt actually even mentioned that he only let her train in Kaer Morhen, because he didn't know what else to do with her. Their relationship was always about Geralt trying to protect her and Ciri about getting a family and people who love her, after she lost pretty much everybody. Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri found in each other what they seeked for a long time.
And you think none of that merited an actual conversation about limitations instead of a snowball fight? Interesting.
Your choice of words tell me that you completely fail to understand what the snowball fight was about and refused to read most of my post
Trust me, I know full well what it was about. Doesn't change the game's mechanics revolving around
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Ciri's confidence levels.
Again. It doesn't limit any of the other choices because you don't know which choice will affect the ending or that any choice will affect it at all.
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Choosing not to engage in the cheer-up session, the snowball fight, immediately puts a stern impression in the player's head of the Geralt-Ciri relationship, which will need to be counterbalanced later on ... if it even can.
And yes, if you replay the game, it immediately limits other choices because you're already working with a negative ding.
I want to cry everytime I see this because it captures the spirit of the last games so well, and yet I haven't encountered anything remotely this haunting and disturbing in TW3.
The other point is that DAI was also successful both financially and critically acclaimed. Whether someone agree with the critically acclaimed part that is another story.
Financial success is easy to measure. If you want you can use the GOTY and People's choice awards as the existence of critical acclaim., but YMMV.
It's not hard to have financial success when your riding a name like Bioware's. With Steam refunds now a thing, I am very curious to see what happens with the next game.
It's incredibly simple, so I don't think that's the case.
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The ending is heavily determined by the snowball fight. Choosing to actually have a discussion with Ciri, who was indeed your student, instead of "cheering her up" and hurling snow at her either limits all other choices going forward or straight-up earns you the fail-state ending. This is objective and covered very plainly in the ending guide.
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The ending is heavily determined by all the choices you make. The snowball fight is no more important than the other two bad decisions you have to make in order to get the bad ending. It contributes to it just like the other two choices. You could say the last bad choice you make is the one that is more important because your ending is determined after that.
If you were talking about the choice of letting her meet her father, then I would understand, because you need to make that choice for her to become empress at the ending. Now that is a very important decision because you need to make it in order to get a certain ending. To have or not have the snowball fight can still lead to all 3 possible endings depending on the other choices you make.
Wow, I'm sick of the words "snowball fight". I think I'm done here. Goodnight people. lol
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