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[Seraphim24]

I like the fact that you take into consideration certain degree of objective quality. 

 

All I am saying is that there is good writing and bad writing. This is not an opinion. This is basic, seriously. Bioware is an example of good quality writing and this is not something you can deny. You might dislike their games or certain characters or plots but that's all there is to it. It's not meant to be insulting or disrespectful towards anyone. The Witcher games, on the other hand, have many good qualities (art direction, design....) but writing is NOT their strongest point.

 

There we go, you are learning, the other qualities matter, quite a lot, it turns out.

[KaiserShep]

I'd really love to finally play this damn game so I can judge for myself about how it compares to Inquisition. Won't be getting a PS4 for a few months yet.

[Zinho73]

 

I'm not insulting anyone's perception or experience of the Witcher, I'm just stating that Bioware's writing is superior. It's a fact. You can measure these things. 

You can indeed measure quality of writing - up to a point. But it is harder to do in videogame form because there is various writers and several other limitations. You can pick up bad and good examples from various points of both series and start an unending argument.

 

You can also go into tangential arguments like, for example, due to the fact that both endings in DA2 were smashed together, the writers were geniuses in reworking all dialogue into something coherent. In that case, the end result was bad, but if weren't for some ninja writing skills it would be terrible. Hence, the writers were GOOD, even if the end result was bad. 

 

Or you can try to explain how their writing is generally conveyed throughout the series (more or less what I did). I would love to hear your technical arguments. 

[Melca36]

Quests and decisions that have consequences, a proper open world, much less pointless harvesting and looting, and much better gameplay. Also CD Projekt Red is giving out Free DLC specifically to divert from the greedy norm. Putting this game to shame.

Grow the hell up.  The only thing they share is they are fantasy games. THATS IT. 

 

And we got some free dLC for it.  I cant wait for the Witch Series to screw up so some of you fanboys can be taken down a peg.

[heretica]

There we go, you are learning, the other qualities matter, quite a lot, it turns out.

 

I never said they didn't matter. I was specifically talking about writing cause it was the first thing that came to mind. We can talk about pc hairstyles and how terrible they are in Inquisition and how this seems to be a constant in Bioware games. They can never get hair right. In fact, we can agree The Witcher would be the winner here.

[The Elder King]

I never said they didn't matter. I was specifically talking about writing cause it was the first thing that came to mind. We can talk about pc hairstyles and how terrible they are in Inquisition and how this seems to be a constant in Bioware games. They can never get hair right. In fact, we can agree The Witcher would be the winner here.

And yet, About writing, there Are People who say that CDPR is much better in writing then Bioware. Why should I consider What you say as objective and What they say differently? Expecially when you don't state any reasons to explain why CDPR Are objectively that bad compared to Bioware.

I honestly couldn't care less who's better in writing between the two, but to say that in writing You could compare Bioware-CDPR to Shakespeare-50 Shades of great is, quite Frankly, ridicolous.
I like both software houses and their games, and they're both good in the writing field.

[Zinho73]

Technically it is possible, but I'm not going to write everything I said about this issue since it was all the previous pages. I'll just refer you back to them.

I got what you are saying, specially regarding world building and so on, but we must remember that TW is based on a already written book and can borrow a lot of things, while DA is building everything from scratch.

 

What I am trying to say is that it is more accurate to analyse aspects of the writing in separate, because a definitive answer in overall quality is going to be very hard.  Specially if the end result would be something like vastly superior.

 

I can see the argument going in favor of TW 3, though, because it is awfully consistent. But vastly superior? I don't know..,

 

And I do agree that Bioware writing skills are becoming more and more uneven on those last outings, but they are still entertaining.

[HiroVoid]

I never said they didn't matter. I was specifically talking about writing cause it was the first thing that came to mind. We can talk about pc hairstyles and how terrible they are in Inquisition and how this seems to be a constant in Bioware games. They can never get hair right. In fact, we can agree The Witcher would be the winner here.

The problem is you're not saying what it is in the writing that makes Bioware better than CDPR.  You just say it is without any reasons.

[KBomb]

Grow the hell up. The only thing they share is they are fantasy games. THATS IT.

And we got some free dLC for it. I cant wait for the Witch Series to screw up so some of you fanboys can be taken down a peg.

Bleh. Talk about growing up. You're being very childish. Wish ill on The Witcher and calling some fanboys makes you no better than the ones who do that towards Bioware.

What about his points are wrong? You could try pointing them out to him and discussing it.

[HiroVoid]

Grow the hell up.  The only thing they share is they are fantasy games. THATS IT. 

 

And we got some free dLC for it.  I cant wait for the Witch Series to screw up so some of you fanboys can be taken down a peg.

So by saying you can't wait for it to screw up, you're saying that it hasn't yet screwed up and is therefore perfect.

 

They do have more similarities than just genres even going to other games like Skyrim or even Gothic.  Considering both are AAA RPG's that decided to go in a more open-world direction, there'd obviously be comparisons like the ones people made between Bioshock Infinite and Last of Us when it came to storytelling.  In particular, how choices, save imports, quests, world design, character believability/motivations, and many other aspects make for natural comparisons.

 

There's nothing bad about criticizing aspects of a game by comparing them to others in the field.  Obviously, yeah.  It can get bad when it's just a pissing contest where the idea is just to bash one of the games.

[FKA_Servo]

So by saying you can't wait for it to screw up, you're saying that it hasn't yet screwed up and is therefore perfect.

 

From all the rumbling I've heard about degraded visual fidelity of individual grass stems or something, I think we can safely write off CDPR as the next BiowEAr.

[HiroVoid]

From all the rumbling I've heard about degraded visual fidelity of individual grass stems or something, I think we can safely write off CDPR as the next BiowEAr.

Meh.  I can only get to 'high' graphics as it is, so it doesn't affect me anyway.

[VelvetV]

When you compare writing please take into account that The Witcher games borrow their writing from the books, or at least they try to. Not manner of writing (although separate examples exist), but more like twists of Sapkowski's mind. He enjoys taking themes like world saving and giving them a different unpredictable twist that ideally subverts them. The games try to mimick that quality. That's where "grey decisions and consequences" come from.

 

Overall, the Witcher books are somewhat similar to the Game of Thrones. Lots of sex, "true to life" stories, lesbians (rather than incest), everything is grim... DA:I is also quite similar. That's a trend in modern literature and movies and now games rather than "writing".

 

If you compare writing as precisely writing and nothing else, then it's difficult. TW3 is a translated game, after all! If you compare characters and how they're written, for fair judgment everyone needs to finish playing TW3 first.

[RINNZ]

Yo what happened? All this sudden hostility. We were doing so well earlier, too.

[SofaJockey]

Back to friendly...

 

I love both franchises, and I'd like to give an example of how the cutscenes in TW3 give punch to even a small side quest.

A fairly simple, attend to some dead bodies quest appears in both games, in Crestwood in DAI and in TW3 as the side quest 'Funeral Pyres'.

 

I enjoyed helping the Chantry sister in Crestwood, but the animation in TW3 made excellent use of a simple quest,

and whether BioWare can get in closer to the characters or reintroduce more cutscenes, I think that really gives a pay off to a quest:

 

TW3 Funeral Pyres level 3 side quest conclusion (spoilers naturally)

 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Both apples and oranges are fruit. If DAI is an apples and The Witcher is an orange, Bioware has rot and worms while CDPR is crisp and ripe. There are still things to take away from a ripe fruit of a different species.

 

I played The Witcher 2 and it was one of the WORSE games I've ever played. It's boring and combat sucked, The story made zero sense and I didn't like Geralt one damn bit. 

[HiroVoid]

 

I played The Witcher 2 and it was one of the WORSE games I've ever played. It's boring and combat sucked, The story made zero sense and I didn't like Geralt one damn bit. 

Just out of curiosity, what about the story didn't you find to make sense?

[VelvetV]

john_sheparrd

About side quests we can all agree. But there's no need to say that TW3 does everything better, like some people started to claim. Better characters? Better combat? Better main quest? We don't know yet, so far I tend to think the opposite, but it's unknown. 

 

Besides, let's be fair and say that DA:I helped TW3 to become better. CDPR delayed their game, saw reactions to DA:I and had half a year to fix their shortcomings accordingly.

[AresKeith]

Back to friendly...

 

I love both franchises, and I'd like to give an example of how the cutscenes in TW3 give punch to even a small side quest.

A fairly simple, attend to some dead bodies quest appears in both games, in Crestwood in DAI and in TW3 as the side quest 'Funeral Pyres'.

 

I enjoyed helping the Chantry sister in Crestwood, but the animation in TW3 made excellent use of a simple quest,

and whether BioWare can get in closer to the characters or reintroduce more cutscenes, I think that really gives a pay off to a quest:

 

TW3 Funeral Pyres level 3 side quest conclusion (spoilers naturally)

 

 

I'd like to think that one quest in the Hinterlands with the woman who's ring was stolen by a Templar would've benefited more if it was in a cutscene