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[Wolven_Soul]

Again: http://www.vg247.com...he-best-ending/

I repeat: the ending is determined by a snowball fight.

 

Methinks we have ourselves another troll with this one.

[Wolven_Soul]

Spoiler

If you make the "negative" choice as Ciri's mentor to have a practical discussion instead of wadding up snow and throwing it at each other, then you're dealing with a negative variable in your decision making from thereon out. You're not allowed to make two other negative decisions out of the four, only one, else Ciri loses her confidence. The snowball fight, which happens at the beginning of the chain of decisions, sways the rest of your options. Therefore, it heavily impacts the ending you get.

Saying I'm "obsessed" with the snowball fight doesn't change those facts.

 

I don't think you understand the word fact.  You can have the snowball fight and still have Ciri die, or you can not have it, and still have her live.  Your trolling.

[line_genrou]

Does not matter, because all people will see as time goes by is that it won GOTY and People's Choice awards. Can anyone remember who was the competition against Crash? Does anyone remember the games Skyrim beat out?

 

Who really cares? what matter is if the game is good or not, not freaking awards. Only the midia care about those. You think people that enjoy movies only watch Oscar winners? You think that people that like games only play GOTY?

If this is supposed to make the game more relevant than it is, it's one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever seen.

[ashwind]

Don't be too protective is good advice for parenting I recon.

Easier said than done... I try but ... I dont know. Fathers tend to be more protective of daughters. If it were a son, I'd probably interfere less. CDPR is unfairly making me pay for my nature... darn them.

There is indeed a lot of depth in it, this ending thing. It made me feel uncomfortable as it reminds me of how every small thing u do can affect the child. The burden of parenthood.

Sigh

[Elhanan]

Who really cares? what matter is if the game is good or not, not freaking awards. Only the midia care about those. You think people that enjoy movies only watch Oscar winners? You think that people that like games only play GOTY?
If this is supposed to make the game more relevant than it is, it's one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever seen.

GOTY > meta-score.

[Wolven_Soul]

We get it wolven_soul, you didn't like DAI and TW3>DAI to infinity... No need to quote every post from two pages ago to tell us so.

 

The thing with this topic that is the most infuriating is that the conversation gets tolerable for a minute and then reels back to things that have been said a hundred times.

 

If you are pointing out flaws, give at least a hint to a way of fixing them or is this topic really supposed to be about which games were better than DAI or snowball fights in TW3 ? Think some of you should read the first post again and see to which section this was posted to in the first place.

 

And if DAI is so intolerable to you: please move on and let the rest of us enjoy it - it's starting to spread to other topics and it's fairly annoying... It's not like CDPR doesn't have their own forums where you can gawk at their creation is it?

We get it, you love it and that's wonderful. 

 

I'm not asking for anyone to start loving DAI all of a sudden or hate TW3 but surely this could actually be a conversation worth having for ?

I'm frankly asking, this is the internet in the end after all and I'm just not sure.

 

Ahh so I am not allowed to respond to things while I am catching up on the thread.  Sorry, didn't know that you were appointed thread moderator.  

 

For your information I do not absolutely hate DA:I, I am simply extremely disappointed in it.  I can't help but be so critical of it because I can see all of the things it could have been.  I have said good things about the game in the past.  Not many, but a few.  

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't think wolven_soul has said anything disrespectful or really said anything harmful to those who like DAI nor has he said anything malicious about DAI. I have seen him give feedback in tune with the topic and not every single post has to be on topic, were that the case, this entire forum would be lifeless. For the most part, I think we have danced inside and outside the parameters of the topic at hand. 

 

Also, no one in this thread can be responsible for what another thread does. One only has to read those threads (like the one in Scuttlebutt) to see how it differs from this one. We all try to be civil, and to be honest, the arguments that do get going are often caused by someone who doesn't want to discuss anything other than why we're wrong and TW3 is bad because >insert reason<. Most arguments are squashed pretty quickly, too because we want this thread to remain. By the standards of other threads that aren't giving DAI the highest of praise, I'd say we're civil and there has been some amazing discussions, suggestions and logic shared. As for the bolded, no one is hindering your ability to enjoy anything. No one here is capable of ruining your love for DAI and certainly not your pleasure at playing it. 

 

*Offers deep and respectful bow*  Thank you m'Lady.  Uhhh, that is you are a lady, if not then replace m'Lady with m'Lord.  

 

To be fair I can be overly critical of DA:I and overly praising of Witcher 3, but I have certainly never expressed outright hatred for DA:I nor have I ever said that TW3 is without flaws.

 

I am a very opinionated person though and I do tend to respond to the same thing multiple times.  

[Wolven_Soul]

Who really cares? what matter is if the game is good or not, not freaking awards. Only the midia care about those. You think people that enjoy movies only watch Oscar winners? You think that people that like games only play GOTY?

If this is supposed to make the game more relevant than it is, it's one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever seen.

 

Tell me about it  We exist in a world where a game can receive hundreds of awards before it ever even gets released.  Even Witcher 3 got this and I thought it just as ridiculous then.  I have long since learned to ignore how many awards a game receives.  

[KBomb]

Easier said than done... I try but ... I dont know. Fathers tend to be more protective of daughters. If it were a son, I'd probably interfere less. CDPR is unfairly making me pay for my nature... darn them.

There is indeed a lot of depth in it, this ending thing. It made me feel uncomfortable as it reminds me of how every small thing u do can affect the child. The burden of parenthood.

Sigh

I love games that allow that kind of emotional bond. I felt it strongly in The Walking Dead as every decision was made in regards to what would be best for Clem and I also loved the bond between Joel and Ellie in The Last of Us. However, I got my babies taken away from me about five times in The Sims, so make of that what you will.

[Realmzmaster]

Who really cares? what matter is if the game is good or not, not freaking awards. Only the midia care about those. You think people that enjoy movies only watch Oscar winners? You think that people that like games only play GOTY?

If this is supposed to make the game more relevant than it is, it's one of the most ridiculous reasons I've ever seen.

 

Funny the last time I checked People's Choice awards are voted on by people not the media. So I can only assume that many people liked DAI enough to vote it a several People's Choice awards.

Strangely enough it does matter to some people who are looking for opinions on games. Otherwise no one would bother rating games on any site and no person would bother reading them.

So yes putting GOTY or People's Choice awards on the box or ads does matter. If I am not wrong CDPR does the same thing.

[line_genrou]

Funny the last time I checked People's Choice awards are voted on by people not the media. So I can only assume that many people liked DAI enough to vote it a several People's Choice awards.

Strangely enough it does matter to some people who are looking for opinions on games. Otherwise no one would bother rating games on any site and no person would bother reading them.

So yes putting GOTY or People's Choice awards on the box or ads does matter. If I am not wrong CDPR does the same thing.

 

Really? When have any Witcher game won GOTY so that CDPR could "do the same thing"?

 

http://www.metacriti...age-inquisition

Please check the user score.

 

http://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt

[dreamgazer]

KBomb:

Spoiler

Oh, I don't doubt you played the game--I doubt your motives and eagerness to sum up an entire relationship into one single phrase or instance ( which can be said for a lot of crucial plot points in nearly any game) just to offer a "valid, negative point" for constructive purposes.

Difference here being that one instance really does determine which ending you get, and the limitations on the choices you must make to get a different outcome.
 

It's probably not a good idea to say, "I was pointing out something valid, guys and you choose to ignore it because you're fanboys." That juicy little implication is what gets the feathers ruffled, not to mention the little screenie you popped in, but I think you know that and deflected accordingly.
 
I won't address the Mario thing because it's beyond ridiculous and is meant to be childish poking.

Oh, I only said that when folks started playing the "haven't played the game" and "don't know what I'm talking about" card.

The Mario screen was a gag, sure, but it's also a moderately decent representation of the plot's "not there, gather info, next location" intentions, which are pretty darn thin in comparison to The Witcher 2. Inquisition too, really. It's strange to see politics handled more thoroughly in a BioWare game, though that isn't really saying much considering how poorly they handled Radovid this time around.
 

I would love to hear your thoughts on what Dragon Age can learn from The Witcher 3, or even vice versa...What do you think CDPR can learn from Bioware? There isn't a need to fight amongst ourselves.

There are so many differences that it's difficult to even know where to start.

The protagonists pretty much dismantle any and all narrative comparisons. One is a customizable player avatar and head of a resistance organization that makes delegation and direct participation in events tricky to work around. The other is an entirely predefined, deliberately neutral character with a blue-collar job that makes side-quests infinitely easier to design and engage.

[dreamgazer]

Spoiler

I don't think you understand the word fact.  You can have the snowball fight and still have Ciri die, or you can not have it, and still have her live.  Your trolling.

Spoiler

As I've repeatedly stated, choosing not to have the snowball fight immediately gives you a negative point that pushes you in "bad ending" territory, impacting every decision you make after that. It can also give you one of three necessary checks for the good ending, freeing up your decision potential with the remaining options. Therefore, my original point still stands: the limited endings variation in The Witcher 3 hinges on a snowball fight.

I perfectly understand the word "fact", sir or madame, and I don't appreciate the condescension.

[TheOgre]

Tommyservo has a point here either way. You can actually button mash yourself through most games, even Baldurs Gate 2. Get a party member or yourself with high strength and a good weapon, throw haste on them and they can tear down dragons in like 10 seconds, so no system is perfect. I would say the gameplay, lvling system and potion making is deeper and more rewarding in DA:I than The Witcher 3, atleast on nightmare vs Death March. The system in TW3 is dumbed down as much as DA:I if not more. And i will remember alot from DA:I in 5 years or 10 years as i will replay it more times than i count. I feel like your statement is more fanboyish than anything else we have said in this topic. 

leveling and potion making I'll agree

 

But someone did point out that this game arguably encourages one to play their own character more than in prior games. So why can't I program the behavior of my units nearly as well as I could in DAO? I would like them not to throw down a barrier on one person off cooldown for starters! At minimum two people must be in the circle range is an example of a script command I'd have loved in DAI.

[Realmzmaster]

Really? When have any Witcher game won GOTY so that CDPR could "do the same thing"?

 

http://www.metacriti...age-inquisition

Please check the user score. Thank you.

 

http://www.metacriti...her-3-wild-hunt

 

You mean a Witcher game never won a People's Choice award?  The award they won from IGN at E3 2014 was a lie. The same award mentioned in ads.

 

I can also point to People's Choice awards like:

 

http://www.gamespot....4/1100-6424017/

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3763912/

 

I also post the Witcher 3 http://www.imdb.com/...8/?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

DAI got 9.3 and Witcher 3 9.8 from IMDB. I find the reviews on this site to be more thought out and not given to the fanboyism for either title than metacritic but YMMV.

 

So either one of use can point to places to support their view.

[Elhanan]

TW3 may not use GOTY titles yet, but do have 200 Awards atop the right corner of the Official site.

[line_genrou]

TW3 may not use GOTY titles yet, but do have 200 Awards atop the right corner of the Official site.

 

You're more dedicated than I, even going to their website to check it out and I am the one who likes the game. Amusing.

[Elhanan]

You're more dedicated than I, even going to their website to check it out and I am the one who likes the game. Amusing.

As mentioned, I prefer to be an informed consumer; gain proper info and avoid assumption. No purchase needed... and drink!

[KBomb]

dreamgazer, on 05 Aug 2015 - 11:10 PM, said:
KBomb:

Spoiler

Difference here being that one instance really does determine which ending you get, and the limitations on the choices you must make to get a different outcome.

 

 

It is not the sole factor and I think that is what people are trying to say and are being dismissed on. It is one of many choices that lead to one ending or another and that isn't a bad thing, as I pointed out, nearly all games do this. 

 

Spoiler

In DAO, your warden's life was literally determined by one-time sex.

 

The type of ending you get is also determined in...

 

Spoiler

How you respond to the Emperor. Whether or not you let her visit the grave of Skjall is also a factor and one that you can easily miss. To get the Witcher ending (the best, imo) you don't even have to do the side mission chain "An Eye for an Eye, but if you do, you can get an entirely different ending from the other two. 

 

There are other outcomes to be taken into consideration, as well. What happens to Ciri is just a piece of that pie. The ending epilogue is determined by quite a few factors. Like who rules Skellige? 

 

The suicidal Geralt (Ciri dies) can be achieved by doing three out of five checkpoints--the snowball fight isn't even needed. 

 

To make Ciri Empress, you can choose to throw snowballs or not all day long, but unless you do a side quest, she won't be ruling anytime soon and complete three out of five check points. So, no snowball fight needed. 

 

For her to become a witcher, you have to make at least two out of the four "good dad" decisions and bring her Bald Mountain instead of seeing the Emperor. And ending you can gain without a snowball fight. 

 

 

That is what people are saying. 

 

 

The Mario screen was a gag, sure, but it's also a moderately decent representation of the plot's "not there, gather info, next location" intentions, which are pretty darn thin in comparison to The Witcher 2. Inquisition too, really. It's strange to see politics handled more thoroughly in a BioWare game, though that isn't really saying much considering how poorly they handled Radovid this time around.

 

 

Spoiler

The Mario thing isn't indicative of anything but to try to deflect. Geralt's job was to track Ciri down and learn her motives for running. Geralt's fatherly instinct may have urged him to want to rescue her, but come on, she doesn't need it. He knew from the get-go that Ciri had been seen in multiple locations and that she was on the run--it would have made little sense for him to find her right away since she was on the DL, and it was simply a pathfinding narrative and one that was interesting, imo--as it lead to a lot of great sidequests and allowed us to not only play as Ciri, but actually see things from her point of view.  Also, finding Ciri is just one aspect of the plot. To use a Mario is oversimplifying and courting hyperbole. But, I guess YMMV.

 

 

 

The protagonists pretty much dismantle any and all narrative comparisons. One is a customizable player avatar and head of a resistance organization that makes delegation and direct participation in events tricky to work around. The other is an entirely predefined, deliberately neutral character with a blue-collar job that makes side-quests infinitely easier to design and engage.

 

 

Well, I didn't really want to know the differences. I was more interested in how you thought each company could learn from one another in respects to improving their franchise. I will touch on these, though--since you presented them.

 

To say TW3's side-quest composition made it infinitely easier is a bit of a... farce. DAI's side quest are very simple and most of them only require one path. nearly all the side-quests in TW3 has varying paths and are certainly not the "Please go find some supplies for us." One action can lead to a quest, then that result can lead to another quest and so on. Also, Geralt isn't entirely predefined, just as the Inquisitor isn't entirely a player avatar. 

 

DAI's side-quests aren't that hard to engage because they aren't that complex, really. They are usually simple to find and simple to complete, sans Hissing Waste, which I really liked.  I enjoyed finding things on my own. Again, I believe that is also a YMMV situation. 

[Corto81]

Spoiler

As I've repeatedly stated, choosing not to have the snowball fight immediately gives you a negative point that pushes you in "bad ending" territory, impacting every decision you make after that. It can also give you one of three necessary checks for the good ending, freeing up your decision potential with the remaining options. Therefore, my original point still stands: the limited endings variation in The Witcher 3 hinges on a snowball fight.

 

I'm going to explain this as simply as possible because you seem to be completely missing the point.

 

Spoiler

The ending hinges on how you treat your ward (daughter).

In other words, the ending hinges on what kind of parent you are.

Treat her like an adult and don't try to hold her down, treat her like a young, free-spirited, responsible person that you hope she is... And she gains confidence and the resilience to fight the White Frost and come out of it alive.

Treat her like a baby, overprotective, controlling, prohibitive and overly serious... And things turn out different.

 

Now, you may or may not like this... Personally, I like the fact that the choices aren't obvious and that they're spread out throughout Act3 so you can't simply say "bad ending, gonna re-load".... 

But saying it's "about a snowball fight" is trivializing it and taking it out of context - or just being ignorant about the whole thing.

[Saphiron123]

Guess that is what the sex cards were for; needed pictures....

Sex cards? What in the blue hell are you talking about?

[slimgrin]

Sex cards in TW1 > carbon copy sex scenes in TW3. 

[chrstnmonks]

Guess that is what the sex cards were for; needed pictures....

Wrong. They where there as a way to deal with the sex scenes. Most sex senes in video games looks downright uncanny or weird

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[RINNZ]

Weren't sex cards a one time thing (which I honestly don't understand the hate. Aren't they like the achievements in a Bioware game?) while colored dialogue options have been in almost every Bioware game?

[TheOgre]

Weren't sex cards a one time thing (which I honestly don't understand the hate. Aren't they like the achievements in a Bioware game?) while colored dialogue options have been in almost every Bioware game?

I find it silly that people would get up in arms about sex cards when in 'romances' they are rewarded with sex scenes at the end of the questline.