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#8501
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Weren't sex cards a one time thing (which I honestly don't understand the hate. Aren't they like the achievements in a Bioware game?) while colored dialogue options have been in almost every Bioware game?

Yes they where in the first Witcher game. Frankly i didn't find them offensive at all. Funny thing is Bioware pretty much gives you an achievement for "romance" or scoring and not too many ppl have a prolbem with that.


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Yeah, I'm with you, and I'm sorry but the incredible depth and sheer amount of dialogue and animations and tough decisions in TW3 side quests can't be chocked up to it being easier because it didn't have a party. DAI offers, in most quests, almost zero depth. You get a line or two of dialogue (if you're lucky and it's not a discarded note telling you to drop off the ashes etc.), you go to point A, you kill this or that, and then you get +2 power and quest complete and MAYBE one more piece of dialogue. I mean forget companions, how many side quests that weren't companion quests even had companion dialogue in the first place?

I found every vein of red lyrium for Varrick, do you know how much he acknowledged it back home? Nada. Just the usual dialogue options. Where's the tough decisions, the actual emotion, the stuff that bioware did so well back in the day? Where are the cinematics and the dramatic plot twists in the side missions? Few and far apart, that's for sure. Why can't the lady in the hinterlands who sends you to find her husband's ring have more to say, why can't there be a cinematic, maybe a sad sequence about how he died that gives some personality to those responsible. Why was it an item to loot that you just brought back for +2 power and a think you? That's not the bioware I loved.

Hell, the companions don't even enter into most side quests.

The witcher has better side quests because they wrote dialogue for them, they added choices, they gave them consequences beyond a power number. And bioware is TOTALLY capable of this because before dai, bioware was the company that I associated with those kinds of powerful story quests. DAI is not a story centric game, the main quest is good but that's only a small portion of the game and by far the shortest dragon age main quest yet, and the rest is essentially the same every playthough. 

And that sucks. I love the witcher because it gave me exactly what origins did once, the desire to do it over and over and do things differently. That's the option I got from tw3 that DAI didn't deliver.... sure there's choices here and there, but they're rare, and that's sad for a dragon age game.

 


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#8503
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I didn't find the sex cards offensive, personally. Just really, really dumb.
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Yes they where in the first Witcher game. Frankly i didn't find them offensive at all. Funny thing is Bioware pretty much gives you an achievement for "romance" or scoring and not too many ppl have a prolbem with that.

Just like Elhanon to drag out stuff from the first in the series when he has nothing else to work with. Not really all that relevant anymore.

Hell, it hurts is position, because if I'm comparing DAI to DAO, the first of the same series, it's far far far more disappointing. Fewer skills, less story, no tactics, no character building attributes, the majority MMO side quests instead of the side quests I enjoyed so much in origins. I try not to do that because it's the great times i had with origins that made me feel so much disappointment with the watered down inquisition.

So not only is DAI inferior to TW3, it's inferior to it's own predecessor in every way except graphics (and some of the voice acting).
 

 

As mentioned, I prefer to be an informed consumer; gain proper info and avoid assumption. No purchase needed... and drink!

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Dude, you can't avoid assumption about a story you refuse to experience yourself. You can't criticize a book you've never read, you can't say a movie is terrible that you haven't seen. You can assume it, and loudly tell others your uninformed opinion, but that's all.

And if you refuse to play it, you can't say dai is better, because you'll never actually know. I like that you have to compare tw3 to games with bugs that wiped hard drives and stuff like that in a sad attempt to discredit it as something worth experiencing, but it's just sort of lame.

You're not informed, and going to the website doesn't mean anything, except you have WAY too much time on your hands to discredit products you aren't even open to trying.


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#8505
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I didn't find the sex cards offensive, personally. Just really, really dumb.

Pretty much how I feel. Not quite as asinine as the underwear love in DAO and ME3, but they're pretty neck and neck.


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#8506
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I didn't find the sex cards offensive, personally. Just really, really dumb.

Never much cared for them, found them more amusing than 'arousing' heh.



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Pretty much how I feel. Not quite as asinine as the underwear love in DAO and ME3, but they're pretty neck and neck.


Conversely, I come down on the side of the underwear sex, if only slightly. Resembles a Cold War era supermarket paperback cover a little less, in any event.
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#8508
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Weren't sex cards a one time thing (which I honestly don't understand the hate. Aren't they like the achievements in a Bioware game?) while colored dialogue options have been in almost every Bioware game?

 

If they recycled sex scenes in TW3, their biggest budget game, they certainly didn't have the funds back in 2006 or so to make them unique. 



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Never much cared for them, found them more amusing than 'arousing' heh.

Yeah lol. I did find the art work lovely, though.


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#8510
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If they recycled sex scenes in TW3, their biggest budget game, they certainly didn't have the funds back in 2006 or so to make them unique. 

Perhaps they felt their resources would better be spent in quest design and a more living, breathing world. Personally, I am glad of it. Sex scenes are overrated. 


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Perhaps they felt their resources would better be spent in quest design and a more living, breathing world. Personally, I am glad of it. Sex scenes are overrated.


Yes; likely why CDPR spent 16 hrs to create one....

https://twitter.com/...438277392834560

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Yes; likely why CDPR spent 16 hrs to create one....

https://twitter.com/...438277392834560

Holy christ doing backflips at a circus, why do you keep doing this?

16 hours MORE THAN LIKELY did not go towards just one sex scene. I'm confident that Yenn, Triss, that Skellege girl all have different animations for banging.

Edit: Forgot Keira Metz. Though she shares the same animation with all the prostitutes.

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Holy christ doing backflips at a circus, why do you keep doing this?

16 hours MORE THAN LIKELY did not go towards just one sex scene. I'm confident that Yenn, Triss, that Skellege girl all have different animations for banging.

Hmmm sixteen hours in a game that spans 350+ hours? lol Yeah, that proves my point. They felt resources would be better spent elsewhere. See? Elhanan can make helpful posts at times.


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Hmmm sixteen hours in a game that spans 350+ hours? lol Yeah, that proves my point. They felt resources would be better spent elsewhere. See? Elhanan can make helpful posts at times.


Nothing like a good investment of zots....

#8515
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Who cares about how many hours was spent on sex scenes? The game is great.

Lol It's like people think that saying some crap is gonna make the game not so good suddenly.


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#8516
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I hope TW3 is good, but it still ain't for me; 16 hrs of sex filming and all....

#8517
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I am interested to see how this new dlc stacks up against story dlc of TW3. Granted, we haven't got any story dlc for TW3 yet, but it will be interesting to compare when they are released. If the new DLC for TW3 is anything like the main game, they'll be fantastic.

 

I wonder if a dwarven armor set will be released a few weeks from now, after the dlc. Like the Avvar set was released after the Avvar dlc. Does anyone know how much Decent is going to be?



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Come on Elhanan, you make some good point some times but it's moments like this, where you cling on ridiculous old things like taking a feature from the bloody first game to critique or saying"16 hours of sex filiming" as a negative point, that people on this thread don't take you seriously.

 

So bloody what if the game had 16 hours of sex filmiing ? Does it perverse the game ?

 

I can tell you right now, the game doesn't have 16 hôurs worth of sex scenes, at all. 

 

I sincerely feel if it had been DA:I, you would have praised it as Bioware trying to be more faithful to intimate relationships because of the feedback from DA2, so Bioware listens to feedback !


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#8519
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I am happy for gamers who find Witcher 3 to be fun and to their liking. Witcher 3 could be the greatest thing since slice bread, but since it does not have what I want in an rpg it does not matter to me.

 

DAI has many of the points I look for in an rpg which include but are not limited to a party of companions. race selection, gender selection, class selection, less emphasis on motor skills in controlling the character, and a tactical camera (whether others think it is good or not is a different matter, sufficient to say The Witcher has none).  I also like the lore in DAI better than the Witcher having played through Witcher 1.

 

That is just my opinion, YMMV and you may have a different opinion which is just fine by me.


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Come on Elhanan, you make some good point some times but it's moments like this, where you cling on ridiculous old things like taking a feature from the bloody first game to critique or saying"16 hours of sex filiming" as a negative point, that people on this thread don't take you seriously.

 

So bloody what if the game had 16 hours of sex filmiing ? Does it perverse the game ?

 

I can tell you right now, the game doesn't have 16 hôurs worth of sex scenes, at all. 

 

I sincerely feel if it had been DA:I, you would have praised it as Bioware trying to be more faithful to intimate relationships because of the feedback from DA2, so Bioware listens to feedback !

Don't feed him! It's what he craves and it seems to draw others.


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Ignore the obvious troll and better yet add him to you ignore list. He has been like this for years even on the old forum. Why waste your time with him?



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Come on Elhanan, you make some good point some times but it's moments like this, where you cling on ridiculous old things like taking a feature from the bloody first game to critique or saying"16 hours of sex filiming" as a negative point, that people on this thread don't take you seriously.

 

So bloody what if the game had 16 hours of sex filmiing ? Does it perverse the game ?

 

I can tell you right now, the game doesn't have 16 hôurs worth of sex scenes, at all. 

 

I sincerely feel if it had been DA:I, you would have praised it as Bioware trying to be more faithful to intimate relationships because of the feedback from DA2, so Bioware listens to feedback !

 

Actually, Elhanan would not praise it in DAI either. Elhanan is consistent in the subject matter he avoids in any game.



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I am happy for gamers who find Witcher 3 to be fun and to their liking. Witcher 3 could be the greatest thing since slice bread, but since it does not have what I want in an rpg it does not matter to me.

 

DAI has many of the points I look for in an rpg which include but are not limited to a party of companions. race selection, gender selection, class selection, less emphasis on motor skills in controlling the character, and a tactical camera (whether others think it is good or not is a different matte, sufficient to say The Witcher has none).  I also like the lore in DAI better than the Witcher having played through Witcher 1.

 

That is just my opinion, YMMV and you may have a different opinion which is just fine by me.

That's a good way to look at it. I feel the same way about TW3, as it has most everything I wanted DAI to be. People are entitled to their opinion and I am glad they find a game to their liking, whether it's TW3 or DAI. I think it's great that we have rpg's to choose from.


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Come on Elhanan, you make some good point some times but it's moments like this, where you cling on ridiculous old things like taking a feature from the bloody first game to critique or saying"16 hours of sex filiming" as a negative point, that people on this thread don't take you seriously.
 
So bloody what if the game had 16 hours of sex filmiing ? Does it perverse the game ?
 
I can tell you right now, the game doesn't have 16 hôurs worth of sex scenes, at all. 
 
I sincerely feel if it had been DA:I, you would have praised it as Bioware trying to be more faithful to intimate relationships because of the feedback from DA2, so Bioware listens to feedback !


Point is that both game companies have made errors and choices of priorities that are not always the best sell, be it color coded conclusions or sex cards.

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Actually, Elhanan would not praise it in DAI either. Elhanan is consistent in the subject matter he avoids in any game.

If you say so, then fair enough. 

 

I still feel his point was either poorly worded or simply not smart.

 

Look, I fully understand no game is for everyone. Some people don't enjoy gore or seeing sex, and that's completely fine.

 

What is unfair and nonsensical is criticizing, imo,  the game for having it.

 

 

Point is that both game companies have made errors and choices of priorities that are not always the best sell, be it color coded conclusions or sex cards.

 

The problem with your point is that Mass Effect's latest game had the color coded ending while the sex cards were dropped since the second game.

Therefore, since we haven't seen the next Mass Effect, Bioware still has to prove it has learned the mistake like CDPR learned their mistake with the sex cards. 

Plus, CDPR went on record saying the whole thing was clumsy and stupid while Bioware, from what I remember, defended to the death their decisions from the endings.


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