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[Corto81]

Ciri is quite possibly the wost character in the witcher anything ever. Best thing that can happen is we never see her again. 

 

Having a custom character or Lambert (with a new voice actor) would be my preference

 

I quite like Ciri. And most people who I've seen and heard talk about the series like her as well.

 

Your opinion or your take on her that she's the worst character ever doesn't make it true.

It's just your opinion. One with which the vast majority of the witcher fanbase wouldn't agree with I'd wager.

[zeypher]

I think the reason why many of us hate Ciri and Yennifer ( well me) is not about their characters but about what they bring to the game which is terrible. Ciri brings destiny/prophecy while Yen brings fate/curse/link etc and those aspects are what a lot of liked the witcher series for not having. 

 

Well that is my reasoning for why i hate them is because they bring something i never wanted in the witcher games, also as a player you lose your freedom to define your reasoning/motivation whenever these 2 characters are involved since how Geralt is supposed to act around them is already established. This is something i bitched about in ME3 as well when Shepard became a totally different character in cutscenes to that of gameplay. Same issue here as Geralt becomes a different character when the above mentioned characters are involved.

 

Finally using book established characters also weakens CDPR's writers as they lose their freedom and we all can agree that their writers can write extremely good original characters eg letho, crones, baron, Radovid in 2 and so on.

 

This is why i hope we get more of their original creations in the expansions rather than book characters as i feel that makes a better game.

[line_genrou]

I love Ciri. I also like that she's a strong character without the boobage appeal. I love her design

 

Lambert is also one of my faves. I love his attitude.

[nici2412]

I quite like Ciri. And most people who I've seen and heard talk about the series like her as well.

 

Your opinion or your take on her that she's the worst character ever doesn't make it true.

It's just your opinion. One with which the vast majority of the witcher fanbase wouldn't agree with I'd wager.

To be fair, that was the purpose. They sanitizied her in the games. Probably to make her as likeable as possible for the players.

And it worked. I like her character more than in the books, but it also made her somehow more boring. She is too idealistic for my taste. Too perfect. The sexual aspect about her for instance. Pretty much almost everybody wanted to sleep with her or force her to sleep with somebody else was one of the main topics in the books and completely absent in the games. Or her time with the rats. When she did a lot of bad things . Killing innocents for pleasure should have a impact on her character. But we don't see any of it in the games. Her "worst" character trait is her obstinacy. I wished they would have touched others topics more.

Same applies to Geralt. It would have been interesting to lean more about his time as a Rider of the Wild Hunt. He probably killed innocents and kidnaped children. But we hear nothing about this in Witcher 3. 

 

There is a interesting statement from Sapkowski

"Ciri personifies evil,that's how I intented her to be - a monster, because almost everyone is trying to make a monster out of her. Geralt, on the other hand, personifies good. And in that scene, a witcher and a girl are coming down a stairs, good and evil hand in hand - that's why no one can stop them. Does that mean that good dies at the end of the day? Yes. Does that mean that evil wins? No. Geralt dies and Ciri stops representing evil. Who is she, then? That, she doesn't know. And I won't tell you."

[line_genrou]

Dood, Geralt shouldn't sleep with her...wtf.

[nici2412]

Dood, Geralt shouldn't sleep with her...wtf.

How is this in any way related to my post?

[MoonDrummer]

Ciri is a Mary Sue to a ridiculous degree. It may be that this is a book issue because it didn't really bother me before I read them, but after reading them the character has been marred for me. 

 

Ciri as the next protagonist is honestly the only circumstance I can see myself not buying the next game (if there is one.) 

[nici2412]

Ciri is a Mary Sue to a ridiculous degree. It may be that this is a book issue because it didn't really bother me before I read them, but after reading them the character has been marred for me. 

 

Ciri as the next protagonist is honestly the only circumstance I can see myself not buying the next game (if there is one.) 

That was CDP's fault. They were not forced to make her that perfect. They were not forced to make her completely overpowered. They were not forced  to

Spoiler

rewrite the White Frost and let Ciri stop it from destroying all world. The Frost was never something that can be stopped in the books.

In the books she only had traits of a Mary Sue. It was CDP's decision to tun her into one.They even broke parts of the lore to do so. And imo completely unnecessary.

[line_genrou]

How is this in any way related to my post?

 

You said people wanted to sleep with her. Since you can only play as Geralt, I think they wanted Geralt to sleep with her.

[line_genrou]

Man, the books people is here

I love Ciri as she is in the game. I suppose I could feel the same if I had read the books

 

I'm like this with A Song of Ice and Fire books. "oh they ruined this character", "he/she would never do that" bla bla bla, and the Game of Thrones people are just satisfied with what they get.

[nici2412]

You said people wanted to sleep with her. Since you can only play as Geralt, I think they wanted Geralt to sleep with her.

how does that make any sense? Did I write anywhere that the playayable character should sleep with her?

[MoonDrummer]

That was CDP's fault. They were not forced to make her that perfect. Ttehy wre not forced to make her completely overpowered. They were not forced  to

Spoiler

rewrite the White Frost and let Ciri stop it from destroying all world. The Frost was never something that can be stopped in the books.

In the books she only had traits of a Mary Sue. It was CDP's decision to tun her into one.They even broke parts of the lore to do so. And imo completely unnecessary.

Book Ciri is an awful character too.

Spoiler

That ****** unicorn cheapened the value of the entire saga.

 

[line_genrou]

how does that make any sense? Did I write anywhere that the playayable character should sleep with her?

 

Sorry, I just reread what you wrote and now it makes sense lol

I read just that one phrase in a hurry.

[nici2412]

Man, the books people is here

I love Ciri as she is in the game. I suppose I could feel the same if I had read the books

 

I'm like this with A Song of Ice and Fire books. "oh they ruined this character", "he/she would never do that" bla bla bla, and the Game of Thrones people are just satisfied with what they get.

That's great for you but doesn't change that other people would have liked if they stayed closer to the source. Especially if that would have made Ciri more interesting, more ambiguous.and more grounded  and not the ms."save the universe" perfect she is in Witcher.3

[Dread-Reaper]

I think the reason why many of us hate Ciri and Yennifer ( well me) is not about their characters but about what they bring to the game which is terrible. Ciri brings destiny/prophecy while Yen brings fate/curse/link etc and those aspects are what a lot of liked the witcher series for not having. 

Those things they bring to the game is something the series always had, hell, the first game started off with a prophecy, their's even a book called "Sword of Destiny".

The intro cinematic for the first game as well was about helping a cursed character, those things you hate about them are at the very root of the series.

[line_genrou]

That's great for you but doesn't change that other people would have liked if they stayed closer to the source. Especially if that would have made Ciri more interesting, more ambiguous.and more grounded  and not the ms."save the universe" perfect she is in Witcher.3

 

You sound defensive

I didn't mean it in a bad way. I just meant that I understand your standpoint on the story because I do the same with other series of books.

[nici2412]

You sound defensive

I didn't mean it in a bad way. I just meant that I understand your standpoint on the story because I do the same with other series of books.

I didn't want to sound harsh. In the end it's not a big deal anyway. The game has far bigger problems than Ciri's portrayal. The Wild Hunt for instance. Never thought that CDP would pull someone like Eredin as the main antagonist after a brilliantly written character like Letho.  I think even Corypheus was better and  that is just sad.

[panzerwzh]

Ciri's story belongs to Galahad. So yup, it probably wont fit in TW4.

[JezrelM]

On my parte i love Ciri and Yennefer, they complete the Gerald persona, and are important to him to achieve something resemble to hapines.

[panzerwzh]

On my parte i love Ciri and Yennefer, they complete the Gerald persona, and are important to him to achieve something resemble to hapines.

Gerlat's dream is about to come true. All we need is Ciri's husband and her children!

[Xetykins]

I haven't met Ciri yet. Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever finish this game because I don't want to leave any quest unturned on this game. Work and travels prevents any faster playthrough. I also don't have the urge to get to the end. It's the journey and not the destination!!

[Heimdall]

I didn't want to sound harsh. In the end it's not a big deal anyway. The game has far bigger problems than Ciri's portrayal. The Wild Hunt for instance. Never thought that CDP would pull someone like Eredin as the main antagonist after a brilliantly written character like Letho.  I think even Corypheus was better and  that is just sad.

Someone told me the writer (Or narrative director or something of that nature) for TW2 left after that game released.

[nici2412]

Someone told me the writer (Or narrative director or something of that nature) for TW2 left after that game released.

I remember reading something similar as well. If I remember correctly only one of the four Witcher 2 writers were involved in Witcher 3.

The lead Witcher 2 writer works on Cyberpunk , which gives me a lot of confidence for the story of the game, as the Witcher 2 story was a masterpiece.

But I also just heard this from some user, so no idea how accurate that is.

[Akrabra]

Actually it was mentioned on the CDProjekt forum by a Red that Sebastian Stępień left under the development of TW3 to work on Cyberpunk. He was the lead writer for TW2. I am not sure how much if was involved in TW3, but he clearly didn't write the big bad. According to Wikipedia he is not even among the writing team for TW3. 

[Ariella]

That's great for you but doesn't change that other people would have liked if they stayed closer to the source. Especially if that would have made Ciri more interesting, more ambiguous.and more grounded  and not the ms."save the universe" perfect she is in Witcher.3

Of the three women in TW3 I found Ciri to be the least annoying, and only then because I like Jo Wyatt as a VA.

But the version of Ciri you're talking about actually sounds interesting.