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[ashwind]

I did this once I was out of White Orchard. Definitely the way to go.

So hey, are there really 7 gigs of fixes in this patch? Yeesh.

 

Hrmf... the patch 1.08 on my end is only about 2GB. The 7GB patch is extras (Art, Music, Maps files) if I recall right.

 

Lots of work to do and cant play TW3... too freaking addictive so I need to play something less addictive - DAI.

 

CDPR's patches are not perfect. Sometimes they introduce new problems but I understand because as a software developer - I am guilty of that countless times. However, they are still making the effort to fox things - especially annoying little things. Ultimately, their track records shows that they would have patch up most things when they are done.

 

DAI - Again, I met an NPC and he started to tell me something. Suddenly I was put into combat mode and that conversation was cut. When I return to him after dealing with the critter, I am left with only the options to further investigate what he supposedly told me!! I have been complaining about this lousy problem since launch! Nothing is done. Bioware just refuse to fix these things. Oh - it is an annoyance to the players well so it is not a priority - neh we wont fix it. Fixing "non-critical" issues like this cost money. Bioware is telling me: We dont care!

 

What better is that these issues are caused by their poor combat mechanics. Critters in JOH has tons of HP, if you are a lightning mages and one of your discharge hits them, they will run away and then keeps circling you and randomly puts you in combat mode. You have to hunt these turbo charges critters down or run to the other side of the map to get out of this.

 

If Bioware takes one thing from TW3 - show that you are freaking making an effort to make this game better by actually fixing all these "minor" but most annoying issues! After all these issues are caused because you again brainlessly took the no-cutscene conversation design from Skyrim and implemented it without giving any considerations to the peripheral impacts! Go hire someone who knows the difference between annoyance and challenge to design combat and gameplay mechanics. Grrr.

[KBomb]

Again all of this is easily avoided. You can tell them why they're needed without giving them the secrets to the warden making batter. (which requires mages to make anyway and most likely requires blood magic seeing as it uses archedemon blood this is something that should remain secret because everyone will lynch them for it and see them as monsters) and what happens to wardens who don't end the blight is arguably worse.

 

Also no king is going to make an warden army because A. Fatality rate and B. the archedemon blood does nothing but make a warden. It doesn't impart fighting skill. They'd have to sacrifice some of their best fighters for the chance of getting wardens. And giving the batter's rather decent fatality rate I'm not seeing many kings willing to do that for their better fighters. It's just plain inefficient.

 

Not to mention there's not many loyal soliders that'll willing drink darkspawn blood for some insane's king dream of corrupting a old god.

 

And of course is the whole thing with the old gods being unreachable by anyone outside darkspawn and it's absurd. No one sane is going to attempt that. And anyone insane enough to will be killed soon enough anyway.

 

And on criminals it'd be wasted because those are the exact people who'd run as soon as they got the chance (and end up being forced to join the rest of the wardens by the calling so...)

 

I rather die in glory than die alone in the dark not to mention the slowly going insane and all those other lovely bits about the calling. These are just really bad arguments for plot dumb and the wardens refusing to give even basic information when it's beneficial for them to do so. I'm sorry but this is one argument I've been having for literally years and I've never changed my mind on it. (in fact it's only grown stronger. The wardens as an order are just no. Good intentioned but their leadership is absurd.) Kings and Queens gain nothing by knowing the wardens can kill archdemons other than the desire not to inappropriately exile wardens (and perhaps the desire to make their own but without the means this becomes a non issue). Not to mention royalty has no need for their own wardens because wardens don't have loyalty to any country in particular and outside killing darkspawn which are a non issue outside of blights have no skills in particular that they can't get elsewhere. The Grey Wardens rightfully cultivates a neutral reputation to avoid the issue of one country fearing them attacking them for another (even if it doesn't always work).

 

Also why do people keep saying no one will want to join the wardens if they know they'll die killing the archedemon? Um...dying saving the world? That's supposed to be the big oh no? There's only been five blights in that many centuries. That's a pretty good survival rate compared to all the other things that will killing you in the DA setting or even being a warden. Most who join the warden do it out of desperation because they're criminals or because they want to be a heroic figure. Those are the exact people who look at that and accept it. There's a reason wardens recruit the people they do.

 

Also we're not mentioning the slow death from the calling (with the chance that you might just turn into a ghoul and stay that way for who knows how long before finally offing it), the chance of a darkspawn spearing you in the gut, the chance of choking to death on the darkspawn batter before you even become a actual warden. I mean Blackwall's mentor died from a random darkspawn raid above surface. It's a dangerous job and a lot of them die and aren't remembered. Being the hero who killed the archedemon would be a step up for most.

 

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Well, I didn't mean Kings would do this if they knew everysecret, but assumption and misconception of knowledge is always the building stones of corruption. What I was saying was that maybe they don't want too much information out there, for fear of people filling in the blanks and mucking things up horribly. Perhaps the notion was: Better to know nothing, than to know some.

 

And there has always been and always will be someone loyal and noble men and/or army willing to die for their king/leader. 

 

This is your opinion, I can't change it. I like the Wardens, you won't change that.

[Ryzaki]

Well, I didn't mean Kings would do this if they knew everysecret, but assumption and misconception of knowledge is always the building stones of corruption. What I was saying was that maybe they don't want too much information out there, for fear of people filling in the blanks and mucking things up horribly. Perhaps the notion was: Better to know nothing, than to know some.

 

And there has always been and always will be someone loyal and noble men and/or army willing to die for their king/leader. 

 

This is your opinion, I can't change it. I like the Wardens, you won't change that.

 

Except in this case knowing nothing blows up in their face. We have several cases in games of this happening. We have Loghain, we have potentially DAI, and we have potentially Warden's Keep (would he really have banned the entire order because of Sophia had he known their necessity? I doubt it). Those fools keep getting themselves banned from countries (at the very least if it was known they were necessary they wouldn't bet banned they'd be told to knock it off or the ban would only hold til a blight showed ) it could even happen again with the Inquisitor. There's danger in ignorance as well.

 

I'm not saying for them to spill everything. Obviously the big stuff (them being darkspawn, the blood ritual) should remain secret. But why they're needed? No need for that to be a secret. Simply say what makes them wardens makes them able to kill archie and no one else will do. Say what happens when a non warden kills him. Tell this to those in power. Everyone doesn't need to know of course not but those in power should.

 

That doesn't equal an army big enough to penetrate the deep roads which is my point (which is impossible anyway even in the best case scenario).

 

I'm not trying to stop anyone from liking the wardens (like seriously why would I do that?) but some of their actions are stupid it is what it is.

[KBomb]

Except in this case knowing nothing blows up in their face. We have several cases in games of this happening. Those fools keep getting themselves banned from countries (at the very least if it was known they were necessary they wouldn't bet banned they'd be told to knock it off or the ban would only hold til a blight showed ) it could even happen again with the Inquisitor. There's danger in ignorance as well.

 

That doesn't equal an army big enough to penetrate the deep roads which is my point (which is impossible anyway even in the best case scenario).

 

I'm not trying to stop anyone from liking the wardens (like seriously why would I do that?) but some of their actions are stupid it is what it is.

Oh, I agree. Wardens become leaders and then lose their damn minds. And I would also say that you're right, there is more danger not to know. History (Well, DA history) has taught us that it doesn't seem to matter. Things gonna be wrecked, regardless.

[Saphiron123]

Yeah I wasn't fond of the wardens from the moment my human noble got conscripted. So XD

Of course if Duncan didn't save your human noble, he would have died protecting his parents from arl howe's troops right then and there. If the mage hadn't been conscripted, executed for blood magic. City elf, executed for harming a noble and possibly decapitating him. Dwarf noble, death by deep roads. Dalish elf, slow death from the tainted influence of the mirror. Dwarven commoner, executed for "ridiculing the entire warrior caste".

You're a pretty harsh, considering the only reason any of one these people survived was duncan's influence, and your warden owed him his/her life and it was pure luck duncan happened to see the potential in a young recruit.

Save a guy's life, he hates you for it, typical.

[Ryzaki]

Of course if Duncan didn't save your human noble, he would have died protecting his parents from arl howe's troops right then and there. If the mage hadn't been conscripted, executed for blood magic. City elf, executed for harming a noble and possibly decapitating him. Dwarf noble, death by deep roads. Dalish elf, slow death from the tainted influence of the mirror. Dwarven commoner, executed for "ridiculing the entire warrior caste".

You're a pretty harsh, considering the only reason any of one these people survived was duncan's influence, and your warden owed him his/her life and it was pure luck duncan happened to see the potential in a young recruit.

Save a guy's life, he hates you for it, typical.

 

*She.

 

And no she wouldn't have the door was right there. She fought her way to the door with her mother and her dog. She didn't need Duncan's help to do anything. Duncan pretty much demanded her life for the grand effort of doing nothing other than letting her mother kill herself. She'd gutted him if she could've.

 

I think she probably spit on his grave after DAO was done. Rendered her practically infertile too. She was pissed.

 

The only classes that might owe Duncan their lives are Mage (if you're silly enough to help Jowan which my mage wasn't), City Elf (which I do have one of those and she did like Duncan. He was decent for a human), Dalish elf (mine wasn't very happy with him either but she did the US so she eventually got what she wanted?) and dwarf (ewww dwarf). But human noble? No. The door was literally open. Duncan did jack squat to help the human noble PC.

 

Oh, I agree. Wardens become leaders and then lose their damn minds. And I would also say that you're right, there is more danger not to know. History (Well, DA history) has taught us that it doesn't seem to matter. Things gonna be wrecked, regardless.

 

They really do. They're perfectly fine as grunts but as soon as they become leaders they lose their minds. What happens? The stress?

 

I think we get like...one decent leader and it's Duncan and I think it's mostly because he died before we could see him screw up too bad. Stroud is decent too but he gets boned by everything

[Saphiron123]

*She.

 

And no she wouldn't have the door was right there. She fought her way to the door with her mother and her dog. She didn't need Duncan's help to do anything. Duncan pretty much demanded her life for the grand effort of doing nothing other than letting her mother kill herself. She'd gutted him if she could've.

 

I think she probably spit on his grave after DAO was done. Rendered her practically infertile too. She was pissed.

 

The only classes that might owe Duncan their lives are Mage (if you're silly enough to help Jowan which my mage wasn't), City Elf (which I do have one of those and she did like Duncan. He was decent for a human), Dalish elf (mine wasn't very happy with him either but she did the US so she eventually got what she wanted?) and dwarf (ewww dwarf). But human noble? No. The door was literally open. Duncan did jack squat to help the human noble PC.

 

 

They really do. They're perfectly fine as grunts but as soon as they become leaders they lose their minds. What happens? The stress?

 

I think we get like...one decent leader and it's Duncan and I think it's mostly because he died before we could see him screw up too bad. Stroud is decent too but he gets boned by everything

You forget that duncan smuggled the noble all the way to ostagar through enemy ranks... what was that teen, a dog, and a wounded mother going to do to avoid arl howe's entire army as they were hunted down like dogs? 

I don't think a noble with no money, a wounded mother, and a dog would be able to escape, and even if they did, survive and get revenge without the friends the warden made on his journey. best case scenario they die in a hovel somewhere, or in one of the subsequent darkspawn attacks since the wardens were wiped out and alistair may not have been upto the task alone, likely the other races wouldn't have joined forces in time, and loghain probably wasn't upto beating back the horde.

A happy ending is veeeeeeery unlikely. Especially if the archdemon won, and ferelden was slaughtered town by town before orlais or weisshaupt could respond. I think Duncan did you a huge favor. And what chance is there that your mother would have lived anyway? No medical support, being hunted like dogs and in hiding? Not good... you're too hard on poor duncan, he clearly should have left your ungreatful behind and conscripted that dashing red haired fellow you grew up with.

I also don't think all warden leaders lose their minds, i think the one in dai was just crappy (and, possibly badly written, i couldn't follow that logic). The only warden who i know went kind of nuts was the one in legacy who ignored his calling for years on end.

[Ryzaki]

You forget that duncan smuggled the noble all the way to ostagar through enemy ranks... what was that teen, a dog, and a wounded mother going to do to avoid arl howe's entire army as they were hunted down like dogs? 

I don't think a noble with no money, a wounded mother, and a dog would be able to escape, and even if they did, survive and get revenge without the friends the warden made on his journey. best case scenario they die in a hovel somewhere, or in one of the subsequent darkspawn attacks since the wardens were wiped out and alistair may not have been upto the task alone, likely the other races wouldn't have joined forces in time, and loghain probably wasn't upto beating back the horde.

A happy ending is veeeeeeery unlikely. Especially if the archdemon won, and ferelden was slaughtered town by town before orlais or weisshaupt could respond. I think Duncan did you a huge favor. And what chance is there that your mother would have lived anyway? No medical support, being hunted like dogs and in hiding? Not good... you're too hard on poor duncan, he clearly should have left your ungreatful behind and conscripted that dashing red haired fellow you grew up with.

I also don't think all warden leaders lose their minds, i think the one in dai was just crappy (and, possibly badly written, i couldn't follow that logic). The only warden who i know went kind of nuts was the one in legacy who ignored his calling for years on end.

 

Those were her lands. I'm pretty sure she knew her own way around her own lands. She wasn't an idiot. Also the dog was a mabari not some pampered mutt. Also why do you say teen like the HN wasn't old enough to be left alone manning the castle? If she was old enough to guard that she was old enough to go scouting on her own.

 

LOL but that same noble can gather an army and storm the deep roads with 4 other people yep. Come on now. The warden isn't a incompetent child that needs Duncan holding their hand. Duncan would've left her to die if that was the case. Also...why wouldn't she have gone to Ostagar anyway? That's where her brother went. She still had to inform him and the king of what had transpired. She's not an idiot just because Duncan's not there to hold her hand. Her brother had left not even half a day before that. She should've been able to catch up to him easily actually. Especially since he was marching with an army.

 

Actually in that scenario my warden would've headed to Orlais and let Fereldan burn. She would've had no means to get at Howe and would've cut her losses.

 

Why are you assuming I wanted a happy ending and not say a decent one? Duncan didn't do my PC a favor by helping her go through the door that she had already opened the way to and then demanding her life as payment for it. He screwed her over for his gain. Her mother probably wouldn't have lived no but she would've tried even if it was to get shot down not conscripted by some man who showed up at the last minute to "save" her.

 

Though lol at poor Duncan believe me I wish he had left her (right at the gate with the door open that she could've walked out of) and went back and recruited Gilmore. Would've saved them both some headaches.

 

And yes I know this would've ended in a critical mission failure with her either dying at Ostagar or surviving and having to go to Orlais but you know what that would've actually been more realistic than "let's pretend Duncan saved me when he didn't do squat." (or even better you reach there and he again offers to make you a warden and refusing gives you a non standard game over once night falls and you end up dead). But alas.

 

She was desperate and desperation made her gullible and stupid. It made sense.

[Saphiron123]

Those were her lands. I'm pretty sure she knew her own way around her own lands. She wasn't an idiot. Also the dog was a mabari not some pampered mutt. Also why do you say teen like the HN wasn't old enough to be left alone manning the castle? If she was old enough to guard that she was old enough to go scouting on her own.

 

LOL but that same noble can gather an army and storm the deep roads with 4 other people yep. Come on now. The warden isn't a incompetent child that needs Duncan holding their hand. Duncan would've left her to die if that was the case. Also...why wouldn't she have gone to Ostagar anyway? That's where her brother went. She still had to inform him and the king of what had transpired. She's not an idiot just because Duncan's not there to hold her hand. Her brother had left not even half a day before that. She should've been able to catch up to him easily actually. Especially since he was marching with an army.

 

Actually in that scenario my warden would've headed to Orlais and let Fereldan burn. She would've had no means to get at Howe and would've cut her losses.

 

Why are you assuming I wanted a happy ending and not say a decent one? Duncan didn't do my PC a favor by helping her go through the door that she had already opened the way to and then demanding her life as payment for it. He screwed her over for his gain. Her mother probably wouldn't have lived no but she would've tried even if it was to get shot down not conscripted by some man who showed up at the last minute to "save" her.

 

Though lol at poor Duncan believe me I wish he had left her (right at the gate with the door open that she could've walked out of) and went back and recruited Gilmore. Would've saved them both some headaches.

 

She was desperate and desperation made her gullible and stupid. It made sense.

Even if she went to ostagar, she would probably never have found her brother's unit, and without the orders given to her and the scenario that played out as it did she probably wouldn't have survived the battle... that's if she managed to avoid an entire army on her own. And if you're the noble of those lands, you'd leave your own people to burn and go to orlais while everyone you ever met was subjected to either howe rule permanently or swallowed up by darkspawn?

I think the human noble would have had one chance in a thousand of escaping without duncan, i think their mother would have died, and arl howe's dungeon would be the best case scenario. Maybe you reach the edge of your lands, maybe your mom dies fast enough that you can evade patrols, but then you're in unfamiliar territory crossing a country while being pursued by a small army. Unless Howe's forces are the most incompetent this side of an 80s action flick, you're in deep trouble.

Of course from the sound of things it would be for the best... I can see it now:

"Warden, the city of Ameranthine is in danger, the children are coming"

"dear god warden what should we do? will you help us?"

"nah, screw you guys, you don't know me and i don't need anybody's help, i'm going to orlais, and you're on your own. and screw that duncan guy for taking me all the way to ostagar too, i could have healed mom through sheer will and we would have skipped down to orlais while someone else stopped the darkspawn!"

And everybody dies. The end. Except the warden, who probably helped empress Celine burn down the alienage for a time one of the elven servants ruined her breakfast, or something. My city elf was a ruthless human hating jerk, but damn, even he'd think your warden is cold and ungrateful

[Ryzaki]

Even if she went to ostagar, she would probably never have found her brother's unit, and without the orders given to her and the scenario that played out as it did she probably wouldn't have survived the battle... that's if she managed to avoid an entire army on her own. And if you're the noble of those lands, you'd leave your own people to burn and go to orlais while everyone you ever met was subjected to either howe rule permanently or swallowed up by darkspawn?

I think the human noble would have had one chance in a thousand of escaping without duncan, i think their mother would have died, and arl howe's dungeon would be the best case scenario. Maybe you reach the edge of your lands, maybe your mom dies fast enough that you can evade patrols, but then you're in unfamiliar territory crossing a country while being pursued by a small army. Unless Howe's forces are the most incompetent this side of an 80s action flick, you're in deep trouble.

Of course from the sound of things it would be for the best... I can see it now:

"Warden, the city of Ameranthine is in danger, the children are coming"

"dear god warden what should we do? will you help us?"

"nah, screw you guys, you don't know me and i don't need anybody's help, i'm going to orlais, and you're on your own. and screw that duncan guy for taking me all the way to ostagar too, i could have healed mom through sheer will and we would have skipped down to orlais while someone else stopped the darkspawn!"

And everybody dies. The end. Except the warden, who probably helped empress Celine burn down the alienage for a time one of the elven servants ruined her breakfast, or something. My city elf was a ruthless human hating jerk, but damn, even he'd think your warden is cold and ungrateful

 

? She knew exactly where they were going. She was a half a day behind them. And was a girl and a dog vs an army. In what world do you live in where she wouldn't be able to catch up? It's not even like they're all on horse back.

 

Also lol you say she won't be able to avoid an army on her own but Duncan can somehow magically do so? Why exactly? Honestly I'm going out on a weird limb here but I'd say the dog (you know the same one that warned her in the first place ) would probably keep her clear of a vast majority of the army (considering they didn't have their own hounds) not to mention they still have to occupy the castle and won't be able to have the entire army chase her down. Also...unfamiliar territory.

 

Those were her lands. She'd be far less of a stranger to the area than Duncan would be if you really want to go that route!

 

Also...Howe's are hilariously incompetent you did play the same DAO I did right? Remember the lulzworthy captured quest? They're dumb. "I'm a giant with a warhound I'm either here to deliver a package or seige your castle pray it is the former." I mean hell you can walk right out with Alistair right next to you.

 

But again you're really trying to say it's impossible for the human noble warden to catch up to their brother who had left earlier that evening with a regiment. Again I'd like to ask how exactly? Fergus makes no secret of where he's going. Indeed HN talks about it with their father, Howe and Duncan earlier in that day if you choose to.

 

But do keep trying to derail my character to make your point and somehow make Duncan's non rescue into a rescue for some reason. Also grateful for being rendered infertile (potentially ending her family line completely considering she doesn't realize Fergus is alive til right at the Coronation), subjected to constant nightmares, and doomed to the calling. Yes that is clearly something to be grateful for compared to her life of privilege she was taken from. I mean come on now different characters, different motivations. It's not that hard to try to see from a different character's perspective. As far as my PC's concerned her silver spoon got yanked out of her mouth and replaced by rotten wood. Hell yeah she was pissed. As for elves...she actually wasn't racist (that was my male mage and he was more of the apathetic to Duncan part he decided to get his revenge by pretty much doing everything he could to ruin the warden's reputation and having Alistair as a unhardened puppet king to top it off.) Duncan saves a lot of characters...but for the human noble...no you pretty much did everything. He shows up at the last few minutes is all "i'm sorry I need your halp." either recruits/conscripts you and that's it. At least with every other class he shows up right before you're about to bite it. But with human noble the door is right there. And you still have soldiers with you!

[Xetykins]

I think there's a record about the warden secrets in the Orzammar Shaperate? If the wardens would trust anyone about their secrets, it would be with the dwarves who are living like the wardens minus the joining.

Except for useless Maric, every monarchs so far is corrupt. And as for Loghain? I think it's EXACTLY people like him that the wardens are keeping their secrets that tightly. People who does not think twice about the consequence of their actions as long as they think they are right. But then again he probably knew already and that's why he took the joining kit in the first place. I mean.. Anora knows about it somehow.
So its pretty much extreme BAD writing towards the end of DAO... or.... it is what it is about Loghain.

[Ryzaki]

In my defense.
 

I haven't participated in a Alistair or Loghain thread in a while.

 

And we all know all DAO threads eventually turn into those

[Xetykins]

In my defense.
 
I haven't participated in a Alistair or Loghain thread in a while.
 
And we all know all DAO threads eventually turn into those

Heh. Tell me about it! Those arguments are exhausting. But I just want to use him for my point above and why I support their secrets.

Aaaaaanyway lets get back to topic. Gosh this thread seems to become Jack the lad.

[Saphiron123]

? She knew exactly where they were going. She was a half a day behind them. And was a girl and a dog vs an army. In what world do you live in where she wouldn't be able to catch up? It's not even like they're all on horse back.

 

Also lol you say she won't be able to avoid an army on her own but Duncan can somehow magically do so? Why exactly? Honestly I'm going out on a weird limb here but I'd say the dog (you know the same one that warned her in the first place ) would probably keep her clear of a vast majority of the army (considering they didn't have their own hounds) not to mention they still have to occupy the castle and won't be able to have the entire army chase her down. Also...unfamiliar territory.

 

Those were her lands. She'd be far less of a stranger to the area than Duncan would be if you really want to go that route!

 

Also...Howe's are hilariously incompetent you did play the same DAO I did right? Remember the lulzworthy captured quest? They're dumb. "I'm a giant with a warhound I'm either here to deliver a package or seige your castle pray it is the former." I mean hell you can walk right out with Alistair right next to you.

 

But again you're really trying to say it's impossible for the human noble warden to catch up to their brother who had left earlier that evening with a regiment. Again I'd like to ask how exactly? Fergus makes no secret of where he's going. Indeed HN talks about it with their father, Howe and Duncan earlier in that day if you choose to.

 

But do keep trying to derail my character to make your point and somehow make Duncan's non rescue into a rescue for some reason. Also grateful for being rendered infertile (potentially ending her family line completely considering she doesn't realize Fergus is alive til right at the Coronation), subjected to constant nightmares, and doomed to the calling. Yes that is clearly something to be grateful for compared to her life of privilege she was taken from. I mean come on now different characters, different motivations. It's not that hard to try to see from a different character's perspective. As far as my PC's concerned her silver spoon got yanked out of her mouth and replaced by rotten wood. Hell yeah she was pissed. As for elves...she actually wasn't racist (that was my male mage and he was more of the apathetic to Duncan part he decided to get his revenge by pretty much doing everything he could to ruin the warden's reputation and having Alistair as a unhardened puppet king to top it off.) Duncan saves a lot of characters...but for the human noble...no you pretty much did everything. He shows up at the last few minutes is all "i'm sorry I need your halp." either recruits/conscripts you and that's it. At least with every other class he shows up right before you're about to bite it. But with human noble the door is right there. And you still have soldiers with you!

A half day with a wounded companion while being hunted by a few hundred soldiers is easier said then done when you're literally their only remaining target (aside form dear old mom, whose wounded and slowing you down further).

But even if you disagree and you think duncan should have you behind (almost certianly dooming the world, because if you're not a warden, you don't meet morrigan or go to the tower or get saved by flemeth but okay, who needs the world) there is a line a person shouldn't cross, and that's mocking the hilariously awesome companion rescue sequences. Sten and Shale were freaking awesome together.

Won't someone please think of the children not being eaten by darkspawn while a bitter warden-to-be lounges around in orlais?

[Ryzaki]

Edit: no no. I already said I'm gonna stop.

 

Suffice to say I disagree. Emphatically.

[Saphiron123]

What wounded companion? Her mother is a non issue. Her mother A. wasn't wounded and B. Wouldn't have left her father. My girl would've said her goodbyes. As her mother said someone had to warn Fergus and she would've been that person. Where are you getting these extra parties from when I already said the mother would've been left? I'm not saying she wouldn't have tried to persuade her mother but she would've failed and she would've seen the logic in leaving her mother behind to delay the enemies. Especially to meet up with her brother for possible vengeance.

Wouldn't have doomed the world. Merely would've doomed Fereldan. Also I'm not mocking them merely pointing out that yes Howe's men are incompetent.

Duncan should've thought of that before heading to Highever first

If you ever become nobility, I don't want to live in your lands... At least three times now you've talked about leaving your people to be eaten by darkspawn.

You have to protect those helpless uneducated folks!

What would your fictional noble father and mother say?

[TheOgre]

Of course if Duncan didn't save your human noble, he would have died protecting his parents from arl howe's troops right then and there. If the mage hadn't been conscripted, executed for blood magic. City elf, executed for harming a noble and possibly decapitating him. Dwarf noble, death by deep roads. Dalish elf, slow death from the tainted influence of the mirror. Dwarven commoner, executed for "ridiculing the entire warrior caste".

My lore behind the human noble story is pretty dull at this point but question. Didn't he originally come because he was interested in seeing the fathers contribution to the war effort against the dark spawn? Was he originally there to say "Well I'm here to conscript your son because I feel like it!"?

[TheOgre]

Edit: no no. I already said I'm gonna stop.

 

Suffice to say I disagree. Emphatically.

You make points that I agree with and I don't see them as inappropriate. Just want you to not feel outcasted or anything but I also agree with them too. I really would have loved to see those Taro cards in action of a origin story for DAI as they all had FANTASTIC potential.

[Xetykins]

You make points that I agree with and I don't see them as inappropriate. Just want you to not feel outcasted or anything but I also agree with them too. I really would have loved to see those Taro cards in action of a origin story for DAI as they all had FANTASTIC potential.

Your Avatar creeps me out

[Akrabra]

Except for useless Maric, every monarchs so far is corrupt. 

Oh no you didn't!

[Xetykins]

Oh no you didn't!

Oh I sooo did. Though I'm not entirely sure why

[Akrabra]

Oh I sooo did. Though I'm not entirely sure why

Mean Maric is awesome. 

[MoonDrummer]

Mean Maric is awesome. 

Awful King though, if a kingdom was so unfortunate as to have Maric, Cailan and Alistair ruling them in succession it would fall into ruin and cease to exist.

 

Need someone like Radovid. 

[Akrabra]

Awful King though, if a kingdom was so unfortunate as to have Maric, Cailan and Alistair ruling them in succession it would fall into ruin and cease to exist.

 

Need someone like Radovid. 

He had his strengths, but as all people he was flawed. Maric was a good King in war time, atleast with Loghain by his side, but he grew up not knowing peace just fighting for it. Cailan was held back by Anora. Without her taking charge and letting him run around like a little kid, he would eventually have to grow up and become a King. And well to late for him.

 

Alistair on the other hand is different. He has 3 layers as i see it. The sarcastic one, the "i am incompetent one" and then you have the real Alistair. You often see in DA:O just how much he knows about politics and how Thedas and more importantly Ferelden functions. And with the guidance of either the HoF as a friend, or as a Queen regent or even lover he could grow and as we've seen become an amazing king. If he could handle the pressure of a war against Orlais, well that is unknown at this time. 

 

Radovid is a great King to some, but he is just a sadistic bastard that has so many mommy/mentor issues. I quite like his descent into madness though, and he is quite brilliant for his age and a good King in war time. I haven't read the books and i don't know how big a part he plays there, so i don't know if the games are true to his character arc or not.

[MoonDrummer]

I haven't read the books and i don't know how big a part he plays there, so i don't know if the games are true to his character arc or not.

He is a kid in the books, this is all he does.

Spoiler

Nobody shouts, "Long live Radovid", thought the prince covered by the hierarch's fat ass. No one even looks at me. No one is screaming in honour of my mother. No one remembers my poor father. Even today, at a day of triumph, which he so richly deserved. After all, that's why he was murdered.

 

He felt a gaze on his neck. Delicate like someone he did not know - or knew, but only in his dreams. Something that was soft like a brush of a woman's warm lips. He turned his head. He discovered the dark unfathomable eyes of Philippa Eilhart fixed on him.

 

Wait, thought the prince, looking away. Just wait.

 

No one could predict or guess then that this boy of thirteen years, which at that time was a person without any relevance in a country ruled by the Regency Council and by Dijkstra, would become king. A king who, after he paid all the insults that had been given to his mother and him, would go down in history with the name Radovid the Stern.

Beautiful really. About time someone dealt with the mage menace.